I wonder when you will get it through your heads that the shocks are legal in legacy too....and are used by legacy players, people use Cloud of Faeries/Snap over Candelabra of Tawnos in high tide, is it optimal, no, does it work, yes, are shocks optimal no, do they work, yes, they require smarter/tighter play in legacy. Not reprinting (*insert X legacy staple*) because of the reserved list is dumb reasoning.
If you are going to run shocks and cards legal in Modern, why not just move over to Modern?
I wonder when you will get it through your head that duals are not the only staples on the reserved list for legacy/vintage.
Seriosly. I play legacy. I love it, but its gonna die inevitably due to availability issues. I swear its like every hipster legacy player (the players that got into it becauase it was the cool up-and-coming format that the cool kids play) that got into is experiencing the magic version of Marx's "middle class anxiety".
This 10 fold. People would just rather invest into Standard or Modern it seems.
To you its more fun. As for cost, it really depends on what cards you own already. Duals for Legacy are much more expensive then shocklands, there are some staples comparable in price but when it comes to the mana base, Legacy is much more expensive to buy into as a n00b.
You are also leaving out the massive exodus of eternal staples to Europe. As more and more Europeans buy into Vintage and Legacy, fewer and fewer Americans have the cards to play with. That means the U.S. Legacy potential player-base is shrinking, not growing.
I mentioned it on page 2 of this thread but no one took notice.
Without circumventing the reserve list and reprinting cards, the only way Legacy can grow is proxies. How many of those limited cards have been ruined or destroyed? How many are sitting in peoples collections never played or forgotten about? According to some larger shops across America, they believe close to 60% of Legacy and Vintage staples are in the UK and Japan. Add in the damaged or lost cards and that doesnt leave many cards for the American players to use.
its not capped, not at ALL. I've seen more and more new players coming out to events duals ready to play a competitive game. at SCGLA I met like 7 people that had JUST finished trading/buying their last dual they needed to play their deck.
there are 9 pages of revised duals on ebay right now, go to MTG traders and there are even more. If you're claiming every staple is in someones hand and no one can buy FoW karakas, etc etc then you're wrong. Legacy is far from capped.
they have their MSRP all over the secondary market. as far as goyfs being hard to find, what does that even mean. Go on amazon, ebay, craigslist, mtgtraders, they're all over the place man. Name ANY legacy staple that you can't find because they are all owned or off the market. There isn't one.
if your(sic) not seeing growth in legacy you're not looking at the numbers.
For every 'new' Legacy player you are seeing in your area, someone else in another part of the country/world has just sold off their staples. Meaning the format has lost a player somewhere. If you look at the attendence numbers for SCG events, they are pretty stable, but show no growth.
As for Legacy being capped, there are only 'X' amount of each dual and fetch and the rest of the cards Wotc CANT REPRINT. That means the number of Legacy players is capped. What that cap is, no one knows.
Add in the cards lost to damage, the collectors who wont sell and dont play, the card pool is shrinking, not getting bigger by any means.
It will be a slow switch to be sure. But Wotc and SCGs knows Legacy cant survive or grow any at the levels it is now for too much longer due to the limited card pool. With collectors keeping them to their promise they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Knowing that, Wotc had to make a move and do something. In the end its about money. Not all things are profitable right off the bat.
Proxies? I don't think so. There are enough cards out there for legacy to have a decent number of players. The problem is that number can't grow bigger than what it is now, more or less.
Without circumventing the reserve list and reprinting cards, the only way Legacy can grow is proxies. How many of those limited cards have been ruined or destroyed? How many are sitting in peoples collections never played or forgotten about? According to some larger shops across America, they believe close to 60% of Legacy and Vintage staples are in the UK and Japan. Add in the damaged or lost cards and that doesnt leave many cards for the American players to use.
I dont know if Legacy is more popular. Many just cant afford to get into the format at a competitive level. I am not saying Modern is any more competitive for different reasons but SCGs has more or less picked their pony, and that pony is Legacy, and they probably have to ride it to the end. Legacies player pool is limited by the number cards on the reserve list and SCG and Wotc knows it. Either Legacy is going to have to go the route of Vintage and allow proxies or die a slow death. Either way it opens the door for Modern.
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If you are going to run shocks and cards legal in Modern, why not just move over to Modern?
This 10 fold. People would just rather invest into Standard or Modern it seems.
Except for the fact Legacy can only support so many players and Wotc doesnt really support Vintage.
To you its more fun. As for cost, it really depends on what cards you own already. Duals for Legacy are much more expensive then shocklands, there are some staples comparable in price but when it comes to the mana base, Legacy is much more expensive to buy into as a n00b.
I mentioned it on page 2 of this thread but no one took notice.
For every 'new' Legacy player you are seeing in your area, someone else in another part of the country/world has just sold off their staples. Meaning the format has lost a player somewhere. If you look at the attendence numbers for SCG events, they are pretty stable, but show no growth.
As for Legacy being capped, there are only 'X' amount of each dual and fetch and the rest of the cards Wotc CANT REPRINT. That means the number of Legacy players is capped. What that cap is, no one knows.
Add in the cards lost to damage, the collectors who wont sell and dont play, the card pool is shrinking, not getting bigger by any means.
Limited tournies move product someone has to buy. Not so much for constructed tournies.
Without circumventing the reserve list and reprinting cards, the only way Legacy can grow is proxies. How many of those limited cards have been ruined or destroyed? How many are sitting in peoples collections never played or forgotten about? According to some larger shops across America, they believe close to 60% of Legacy and Vintage staples are in the UK and Japan. Add in the damaged or lost cards and that doesnt leave many cards for the American players to use.