MTG Salvation

Quote from DaGarver

The aggro matchups, who have no real way to deal with it. However, even in those matchups, it feels too slow.

I've also been testing Teachings and Gifts, so I'm not even sure that Cruel Control is the way to go for this format. I'm getting good results with Gifts, so I might not even end up playing 5CC. :/

Quote from DaGarver

I haven't seen it often enough to really notice much of an impact (as a 1-of should, I suppose). The times where I've resolved it turn 8 after a Cruel have been absolutely back-breaking. Usually, my opponent just can't come up with enough answers to get through it. Aside from those instances, though, it's been decent at best. I might relegate it to the sideboard.

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I definitely feel like 3 Cliques are almost mandatory. I like the mixture of 2 Titan, 1 Batterskull. Gives me nice utility against most of the field, and while neither do anything against combo, I will keep in 1 Titan just as an "I win" button for that matchup.

Clique + Cruel might just end up being my main win condition.

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Against RDW, Zoo, Jund, etc, it can make a huge difference. I generally put the game on lockdown before turn 7, though, with all my removal and sweepers. At that point, Cruel is enough to fully stabilize outside of any form of burn.

Quote from DaGarver

That it does, but turn 5 vs. turn 6 isn't a big deal in this meta.

Um... no? You always create 10point life swings with Baneslayer. Grave Titan swings for 10, then 14, then 18... He's a much faster clock than Baneslayer is and puts a lot more pressure on your opponent.

I'd rather play a turn 6 finisher that is removal resilient (leaves behind bodies) than play a turn 9 finisher with Cryptic backup.

This is debatable. Zoo runs Path. I'd rather run Grave Titan against a deck like that than Baneslayer, because I make chump blockers.

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I am seeing more Charming Zoo than Punishing Zoo. I think the 4-color version is just better.

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I've never seen a Zoo list run Punishing Fire, either.

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What Zoo list runs Firespout?

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Baneslayer eats removal and dies. You won't ever get a chance to swing with it unless it's turn 9 when you have Cryptic backup, and by then it's likely too late against Aggro (the main reason you run it).

Wurmcoil is much better. It doesn't fly, but is that necessary when you're gaining life and dodge all the destruction removal? However, I don't think he works in Modern simply because Path is the go-to removal spell, and he really dislikes that.

Inferno Titan is sweet against weenie aggro, but not so much against Zoo, where he oftentimes will just be a 2.5-for-1 (.5 being the potential Basic from Path).

Grave Titan is best, in my opinion. They remove the Titan himself in any way? Sweet, you still have a pair of Zombies to show for it to serve as beatsticks or chump blockers. They use a board wipe? Then you're likely playing the control mirror (which barely exists right now); you both break even on card advantage and you have a slight bit of inevitability in Ultimatum. There are times when Twin will Firespout the board, then Bolt the Titan, but these are plays you can't really get around.

Basically, Grave Titan is best because he is versatile and a massive threat. If you untap with Grave Titan, he will win the game by himself, likely on the next swing if you've been beating face with Cliques. I would also argue he's better in the aggro matchup, since he deters your opponent from swinging at all. If you just have Wurmcoil, you might still net lose life.

Quote from Morderx

for u what is better finisher inferno/grave/BSA/Wurmcoil Engine
i have 2 bsa and 1 broodmate im think in change broodmate for one of that

and btw Leyline of Singularity vs twin and pyro

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My only problem with wall is that they are essentially dead against any non-aggro deck. If i was going to pick one it would be spellskite just because the interaction against splinter-twin/burn decks/infect shoal.

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I would sooner run Vendilion Clique than Sedraxis Specter, for a number of reasons.

• Arguably easier casting cost. This deck is generally a heavy-Blue control deck. I often find it much easier to pull of 1UU than UBR on turn 3.
• Immediate effect. Clique gives you the peek and discard effect regardless of getting to attack or not. Specter requires a swing and is thus more inconsistent.
• Flash. This is the big one. Flash makes Clique so much more flexible. First, you don't have to tap out to cast it, leaving you vulnerable. Against combo, just cast it at the end of their turn, or if they start doing something suspicious and you want to see what's up. Against aggro, you can flash it in to be a clutch blocker, trading with a guy or eating a removal spell and preventing damage at the same time, as opposed to Specter who, against Zoo, will likely eat a Bolt, then you get swung at anyways for the full effect.

Quote from zMM3

Lots of barriers wouldn't take too much slots ? I agree with you that this 2 plus Jace are the only walkers that I would use, but I don't think the deck really needs them

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and Elspeth, Knight-Errant ?

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whatu thing about Solemn Simulacrum and Gideon Jura

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Question, i'm Worried about vial decks a bit, is there any turn 1-2 answer we have for the vial itself?

Quote from krooton

hey look another deck that scoops to blood moon. Man I love this meta game.