MTG Salvation

i have beat g/r tron in a friendly match but damn was it hard. i have to say cryptics are our best answer against them preboard. I have resolved crumble to dust against them and still lost as well, but I also cast slaughter games naming newlamog afterward and won game 3. g/r is definatly not in our favor.

i played against mono u tron and i have to say its a lot easier to win against them, i play a teferi in the side. so much easier to deal with than g/r or at least the version i played against was.

against both shadow of doubt stopping early searching with maps was pretty good. late game it becomes less so unlesss they activate eye to search and you play it. it can also be used as a psuedo-sink-hole effect if they crack a fetch. i am seriously thinking about bumping shadow up to 4 lately.

other cards that help against them like lilbolas said are negate, hard counters, slaughter games(i believe, feel free to correct me if i am wrong), crumble, ANY planeswalker removal, some artefact removal(i play rakdos charm and vandalblast).

suffer the past is a card i have used before, won me quite a few games against burn i had no business winning. ultimately i took it out due to reasons that i forgot, i think i didnt have room for what i wanted. either way it might be a good thing to phase back in.

i run a teachings list personally so i don't know about others' form of card advantage but i usually end up playing as a draw-land-go deck and it becomes pretty reactive for me. for tap out type control decks that is not a good thing to be doing for lil bolas's deck list above the only card there that doesn't cantrip is cruel ultimatum. in mine it would probably be cruels and keranos, and 2 copies of aot jace. i am referring to the main deck btw not the side board.

What other forms of raw advantage do you run? i used to use a blue suns' zenith but i took it out after awhile i may put it back in soon. i find myself beginning to run out of a hand.

its easier on decks that cant cover bb early, there are a few games where having bb is a bit hard but usually i have it as well. i personally like geths verdict better, however bb usually means 2 blue lands are tapped as well in a lot of lists.

well hibernation is a way around goyf, and elves. so many cards left to discover. it is indeed a cruel world.

what do you mean by it is to heavy? if it is the cmc of teachings it has the same cmc of cryptic, and cryptic has a much harsher color restriction.

i have a few things to cast against them i just never draw them. that pokemon reference went way over my head.

this is true, i usually use repeal for that though. i do have echoing truth in the side as well. my main issue with rift is the the overload is 7 which against fish is a huge pain. consume the meek costs 2 less and gets rid of them. downside to that is that it needs 5 mana where rift can be used for 2 in a pinch.

also what is the ultra rod?

My only suggestion for magicvanory would be on the inclusion of a mystical teachings. maybe move the anger or damnation to the side and put in the teachings. one card to take out if your going that rout would be the rakdos charm. Just my suggestion, i personally play a teachings centric list. i don't get to play it to often but i usually have a decent game against everything but fish. For some reason i always get my counter spells when they have a vial and no removal at all.

Bolas i am really happy to see i am not the only one still using keranos and mogis, must say the inclusion of devastation tide in the side could really help against a few decks. my only problem is i wish it was an instant.

hello forums, it has been awhile. i am glad to see that someone else has moved to a teachings style list. i am interested in the fact that you choose to play with beseech the queen, though you do play a 4 color deck. any specific reason why you chose to run the esper charm, revelation, helix, and have the abrupt decay sitting in there?

i do not hate the list in fact it looks awesome. my main concern is the fact you get seriously hurt by your mana base.

how has the testing of darkblast been going?

well from the looks of it i can see why the thread name got changed. it looks like the grixis control list just with ultimatums and 1 more land. i do worry a little about the graveyard with 3 gurmag 2 tasigur and snapcasters, i worry about only 23 lands a bit. the draw you have should be sufficient though. other than that it looks solid.

psychic rebuttal looks like it is awesome against burn and jund. they play discard spells and you'll just be like nope, you discard. its about as funny as someone redirecting hymn to tourach.

which is really funny when it happens it's just so cruel.

i remember playing lonely post in standard. homicidal seclusion does a lot. especially when paired up with the dimir keyrune. we however have creeping tar pit instead, he is a bit more resilient to removal. how many times do you guys have more than one creature anyway?

i ask cause my list plays like one tasigur and the batterskull. so for me that enchantment is used on them or one of my 4 tar pits. hmmm if we do switch to have that card would a 1 of lavaclaw reaches not be a bad idea?

hero's downfall can also be a instant speed solution. i have one in my maybe board if i ever start coming across a lot of planeswalkers in my meta.