Well at least it will sell for MSRP because elspeth is not a staple card in any other format.
Good yes, but not a staple so i'm happy. less Planeswalker shinanigans especially since if she was reprinted unless scars was retarded good U/W planeswalkers would be so dominant it wouldn't be funny especially since the only thing to deal with planeswalkers is haste creatures in which there is only one good one.... Vengevine
Although i have a HORRIBLE feeling that since tezz and elspeth aren't in M11 they might be in Scars.... Which would upset me about elspeth. But anyway still gonna get at least two of these things.
The duel deck and FTV are completely different in that they try to accomplish different things. FTV is for the primary market, trying to sell promo's to specific people who "need" to have it so they will pay something to have a limited print card.
Duel Decks do similar but mostly are for the secondary market, they are to promote people to start playing the game and the promo card is the reason people who already play competetively for buying the package.
which is explained by why they limit FTV so much that only card stores can get like 12 of them one time, and walmart and target get a lot of duel deck product
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Nope. I quit buying singles locally anyway, and almost got driven from the game. My local stores (within 15 miles from my house, there's 2), both jack up the prices of decks/duel decks according to what's in them. This makes them, actually, harder to achieve things like collecting DD's and such. I won't pay the $40 per duel deck they'll make it up to.
This is a main reason a lot of us locals are being driven from M:tG. However, with an influx of kids' parents just buying them whatever they want (hell, its better than kids doing drugs, etc), it's not helping us hard-workers pay for these things.
So, basically, this turns out to be another $50+ product that should be only $15...
On the flip-side. I'm glad to hear things like this do come out, as random as some of them seem...
You understand why it is like that right? During hard economic times hobbies pick up steam *believe it or not it does* and because of that there is one group that runs the value of cards and i'm not dogging them but for every card store owner they say "SCG runs the prices because they are the largest and closest to WotC and therefore we must compete with their prices if we want to make full profit" When you see it that way people often say well why not just keep prices low and people will buy more of them. Which is exactly the problem, Everyone would buy them out for cheap. Before it's rise in price Tarmogoyf was at 25 dollars *most recent price rise i am talking about* imagine the loss the store would make if people would just go in buy out all the tarmogoyfs and sell them to SCG for 50 bucks. they'd double their money. Which is why local stores either are friendly and do not make as much of a profit or the store is out for itself and has prices equal to or slightly less than SCG... So if you have the chance and your local Target or Walmart and check it out and see if they have these dual decks because they will sell them for their MSRP.
For me my local store will sell them for probably 40 bucks. and i'll either wait for them to go down or just buy them from target or walmart.
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Ravager's only $15. Pricey, yes, but not exactly what I'd call "money". The rest of those cards (except for Lackey, I think) are all at least twice that.
Plus I think that WotC has demonstrated that they don't care about secondary market prices by including Elspeth in the deck in the first place.
Ravager's not a broken card. It's good, but it needs support. If Tezz's deck isn't the Raffinity build, I think it'd be an okay card.
I know it's not actually "money" but compare it to Garruk vs Liliana which card in either of those decks was a 15 dollar card? none of them. it wont happen.
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Please tell me who because I'll take those elspeths haha!
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Because they only print "money" in sets and FTV aka Jace 2.0 Baneslayer Vengevine Gideon FTV Berserk goblin lackey ETC.... They don't print money in high quantity.
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Tezzeret could easily have Tinker with the artwork from FTV - its cool, its new without having to spend money on yet more artwork and its 'balanced' because they can decide what viable targets to put in the deck. It'd be non-foil, so it won't really tread on the toes of people who have the $$$ necessary to buy the FTV version.
Ehh, Doubtful, I don't think the problem is that people would be mad that they spent money *and by money I mean like 5 bucks* on the new tinker because it can't be used in any format except for T1 Sooo.... Don't think we'll have to woryy about that, I'm pretty sure it'll end up being likethe garruk vs. liliana one where it's a non competetive casual/t1.5 deck.
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Its just people speculating in the wrong place is all. There is no evidence (at all) to support that the Elspeth or Tezz from the duel decks will be anything different than their Shards of Alara versions (aside from possible alternate art, as wizards does seem to tend to do that for duel decks).
If anyone has proof rather than speculation of anything different, please feel free to speak up. Otherwise I think the unfounded speculation about different versions showing up in the duel decks should probably stop in order to try to keep the thread discussions on more of a productive route.
Just my opinion though.
Exactly.
On topic i can't wait to see the deck lists cause i want to know exactly what else we are gonna get besides these planeswalkers *which honestly i'd pay 20 bucks for these two planeswalkers in foil so everything else is a huge bonus*
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I think there is a good chance that Elspeth tirel is a new elspeth that is going to be in m11, since m11 hits first, she would be in that set, and then she is going to be in the duel decks. Since everyone is saying that they never release new cards in the duel decks. She wont be a new card if she is infact a new planeswalker in m11.
Again... Where does it say that Elspeth is "elspeth tirel" aka new planeswalker? I still haven't seen any proof of this and until someone shows me something that proves she is "elspeth tirel" and a "different planeswalker" she is not and she will either be reprinted as elspeth knight errant or will just not be reprinted. I mean honestly sure that'd be cool if she was a new planeswalker *as long as she has the capability of being AS GOOD as her previous form unlike Chandra where both forms of her are useless in competetive play. Perhaps i missed the info where WOTC posted something about elspeth being a different planeswalker. But all i see is that they call her Elspeth Tirel... Her Name... Just like Chandra Nalaar... I don't see a reason why she will be a different planeswalker because they used her name...
What is with this Elspeth Tirel stuff? I don't see it as anything more thank a rumor, no one has shown any reason why this elspeth will be different and honestly unless they make her into a new one in M11 *Which i highly doubt* they will not print an unplayable card *because it is not in a real set*
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exactly, if they were doing that the product would not sell because the ONLY reason i'm buying this is because I get two planeswalkers that are foil and of different art *and i know i'm not the only one*, ALSO for the different card arts like they did with mutilate with the Garruk vs Liliana PW decks. They will *or at least they BETTER* have these two planeswalkers. I know there was some talk about elspeth being a different planeswalker and not being the original. Dunno if it was bunked already but it would make no sense to make an "unplayable" card and by unplayable i mean you cannot play it in any format besides kitchen table magic.
UNLESS they make a new elspeth in M11 in which it would make sense... Hopefully they don't or at least the "new" elspeth will be just as good as the original.
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Doubt it, I mean look at what wizards does with FTV, the same thing will happen, friendly dealers will be nice and sell for msrp and dealers in it for a profit will sell for like 50 bucks +. The thing is that I believe that the price will drop dramatically once elspeth leaves standard. (unless they decide to have A LOT of fun as scars comes out they reprint tezzeret in M11 *which i would love honestly*)
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Good yes, but not a staple so i'm happy. less Planeswalker shinanigans especially since if she was reprinted unless scars was retarded good U/W planeswalkers would be so dominant it wouldn't be funny especially since the only thing to deal with planeswalkers is haste creatures in which there is only one good one.... Vengevine
Although i have a HORRIBLE feeling that since tezz and elspeth aren't in M11 they might be in Scars.... Which would upset me about elspeth. But anyway still gonna get at least two of these things.
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Duel Decks do similar but mostly are for the secondary market, they are to promote people to start playing the game and the promo card is the reason people who already play competetively for buying the package.
which is explained by why they limit FTV so much that only card stores can get like 12 of them one time, and walmart and target get a lot of duel deck product
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You understand why it is like that right? During hard economic times hobbies pick up steam *believe it or not it does* and because of that there is one group that runs the value of cards and i'm not dogging them but for every card store owner they say "SCG runs the prices because they are the largest and closest to WotC and therefore we must compete with their prices if we want to make full profit" When you see it that way people often say well why not just keep prices low and people will buy more of them. Which is exactly the problem, Everyone would buy them out for cheap. Before it's rise in price Tarmogoyf was at 25 dollars *most recent price rise i am talking about* imagine the loss the store would make if people would just go in buy out all the tarmogoyfs and sell them to SCG for 50 bucks. they'd double their money. Which is why local stores either are friendly and do not make as much of a profit or the store is out for itself and has prices equal to or slightly less than SCG... So if you have the chance and your local Target or Walmart and check it out and see if they have these dual decks because they will sell them for their MSRP.
For me my local store will sell them for probably 40 bucks. and i'll either wait for them to go down or just buy them from target or walmart.
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I know it's not actually "money" but compare it to Garruk vs Liliana which card in either of those decks was a 15 dollar card? none of them. it wont happen.
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Please tell me who because I'll take those elspeths haha!
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Because they only print "money" in sets and FTV aka Jace 2.0 Baneslayer Vengevine Gideon FTV Berserk goblin lackey ETC.... They don't print money in high quantity.
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Ehh, Doubtful, I don't think the problem is that people would be mad that they spent money *and by money I mean like 5 bucks* on the new tinker because it can't be used in any format except for T1 Sooo.... Don't think we'll have to woryy about that, I'm pretty sure it'll end up being likethe garruk vs. liliana one where it's a non competetive casual/t1.5 deck.
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Exactly.
On topic i can't wait to see the deck lists cause i want to know exactly what else we are gonna get besides these planeswalkers *which honestly i'd pay 20 bucks for these two planeswalkers in foil so everything else is a huge bonus*
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Again... Where does it say that Elspeth is "elspeth tirel" aka new planeswalker? I still haven't seen any proof of this and until someone shows me something that proves she is "elspeth tirel" and a "different planeswalker" she is not and she will either be reprinted as elspeth knight errant or will just not be reprinted. I mean honestly sure that'd be cool if she was a new planeswalker *as long as she has the capability of being AS GOOD as her previous form unlike Chandra where both forms of her are useless in competetive play. Perhaps i missed the info where WOTC posted something about elspeth being a different planeswalker. But all i see is that they call her Elspeth Tirel... Her Name... Just like Chandra Nalaar... I don't see a reason why she will be a different planeswalker because they used her name...
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exactly, if they were doing that the product would not sell because the ONLY reason i'm buying this is because I get two planeswalkers that are foil and of different art *and i know i'm not the only one*, ALSO for the different card arts like they did with mutilate with the Garruk vs Liliana PW decks. They will *or at least they BETTER* have these two planeswalkers. I know there was some talk about elspeth being a different planeswalker and not being the original. Dunno if it was bunked already but it would make no sense to make an "unplayable" card and by unplayable i mean you cannot play it in any format besides kitchen table magic.
UNLESS they make a new elspeth in M11 in which it would make sense... Hopefully they don't or at least the "new" elspeth will be just as good as the original.
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