Yeah... A turn 3/4 hasted/hexproof Kaalia is something to behold. Not to mention the precon deck actually provides a bunch of cards that end up in most Kaalia decks.
maybe...10? But all of them are much cheaper as singles.
Kaalia's way better as a 1v1 general. Maybe that says something about who's buying the decks?
Well, you've already missed Sol Ring and Lightning Greaves (although all of them have that).
Using Star City's deck building tool, with everything they had in stock, the deck added up to $60.80 as singles, and there are 7 cards out of stock. It isn't much of a surprise that it is so pricey.
You also have to add in the 'demand' aspect. Which of those decks are you more likely to play out of the box? In my area, Kaalia. In addition, look at the pack that just got released. It is FULL of Kaalia fodder. It isn't much of a surprise to me.
yes, i missed those on purpose, because I was comparing it to the other decks.
saying a deck has $60 worth of singles doesn't make it worth $60. nobody is trading 25-cent uncommons. If you gave me a choice between $60 worth of mostly jank, or a $60 abu dual, I'm taking the dual.
also there's only a handful of really decent kaalia fodder. There's at least a few nonbos (dread cacodemon and reiver demon come to mind) and a bunch of pretty wimpy angels, and the akroma, strife, oros, despair, maaaybe mana-charged dragon (also sort of a nonbo) and a few more questionables that are actually decent kaalia food, and really only akroma and despair are likely to be used in a well-constructed kaalia deck.
Personally Kaalia would be low on my list, first choice would be...actually anything except kaalia. Zedruu's cool, Riku's cool, ghave and karador are both cool, and mimeoplasm is cool. heavenly inferno probably has the two boringest legends of all of them, plus by far the crappiest 2-color legend.
Also, I'd find it hard to believe that the other decks wouldn't be able to beat that. Hell, ghave starts off at $40 for ooze alone, everything else is just gravy.
can someone please explain why heavenly inferno is the expensive one?
devour had the best reprints and strength as a deck. ghave has the ooze and might be the strongest general (combo). mirror has edric and homeward path. puppets has chaos warp and flusterstorm.
inferno has...what? seriously? It's got freaking nothing! Most of the reprints are crap (ok, mother of runes and pte but those aren't that expensive compared to sad robot and a dozen others in devour) and none of the new stuff is worth a damn either. OK, kaalia is fairly popular but she's $5, that doesn't really make up for the rest of the deck being garbage.
I would as well. More cards like Thalia would be desirable.
I dunno if I'd go THAT far, thalia is a little too far in the opposite direction, to where she's too boring.
A good example of what I mean is a general I just built around, toshiro umezawa. It's cheap and efficient, but still has a cool ability that can be built around, without paying a bunch of extra for high p/t when you really just want the ability.
He just means that we shouldn't expect the legends to cater specifically to EDH like the commander ones did.
i disagree with that too. I think they're smart enough to realize that including exclusive legends in these decks will make EDH players buy them and move more product. If they print some crap legends they lose out on that whole demographic.
Also I don't feel like most of the commander deck legends really catered overly to EDH. Sure, karador was clearly built to be a general, but ruhan is sort of the opposite of EDH strategy, and a lot of the others could have passed for non-commander legends.
Anyway it doesn't have to be "made for commander" to be a good general. Personally I'd prefer some smaller, more efficient generals instead of big expensive "EDH cards".
OK, look, all of these examples (and I'd still disagree that some of them would be considered cycles, per se) involve some sort of flavor with the storyline or whatever. afaik this is sort of a standalone thing without a storyline behind it to justify a "flavor cycle" or whatever. Sure, ninjas will be a ninja tribal deck, but savage auras doesn't sound tribal at all.
It's not impossible for it to be a cycle of something else, I guess, but I still put the odds squarely in favor of a wedge legend cycle.
Personally I don't care that much, though, as long as there's some good legends I don't care too much if they're wedge, shard, allies or enemies. I'd only be disappointed if they were monocolored and/or lame.
Doran the Siege Tower and all the other legends from Lorwyn.
See but that's not a cycle. it's a bunch of legends in a set that was about multicolor tribes. Besides being multicolor legends they have nothing in common.
and not that it matters, but they also don't add up evenly as suggested.
Just because one of the legendaries is a wedge creature doesn't necessarily mean the others will be. They specifically printed 2 new wedge colour legendaries for each combination with the commander precons. The cycle could quite easily be one that has "do X, then do X again" - in the case of this guy, its cascade.
except that, unless they ALSO happen to be wedges, they wouldn't really be a cycle by the most common definition. Nobody calls the transmute cards "the transmute cycle" because, although they have an element in common, they're all in the same colors. The only other way I've heard "cycle" used is for a c/u/r cycle, which is really unbelievably unlikely to happen with URG legends.
That, taken with the fact that we are only getting 4 decks so a clear all 5 wedge cycle would be very hard has had me thinking option B for a long time. We may get a messy cycle like URG, UB, RGW, and BW. There are only 4 because we only have 4 decks, and each color shows up twice. I'm not saying that the last two are necessarily what we are going to get but they worked with the math.
See, now this makes me happy. We have an idea that isn't based in the idea that the cycle was made for Commander.
What other abilities would work with that though.
Cascade
We could see an agro card with either Battle Cry or Exalted twice.
Proliferate has been done twice on a card before, but not a creature.
Scry twice could be fun.
Landfall twice could be very broken, but also fun to see.
1) Wizards has never, to my knowledge, having seen every card, done an asymmetric "cycle" with 2-3 colors cards like that. I think it's far more likely that we'll get an incomplete cycle, and my best guess for the excluded triad is GBW since Doran already gives them +1 legend over the other wedges.
2) I don't know why you're annoyed with people seeing this as a gift to EDH. Clearly wizards is playing that angle by spoiling a big splashy legend first and including a cycle in the set. It doesn't matter whether it's intended for EDH or not (and clearly it is or they wouldn't mention it. They know how much more popular EDH is than planechase) - good/cool legends will see EDH play regardless of the rest of the decks or the "intent" of the set (and again, I guarantee the intent, at least partially, of the legends is to entice EDH players to buy).
3) why would landfall twice be "broken"? Doesn't that sort of depend on what the landfall ability is? Unless you're saying it doubles existing landfall triggers of other permanents, but that would't follow the cycle since wanderer doesn't double other cascade abilities, he just has his own double ability.
Yet you left out the blue and white,besides hybrid, that has hexproof as well.That was the whole point of dropping fear and makeing intimidate non color specific.Hexproof is mostly in green with blue as secondary and mildly in white.Its utterly stupid to say "hexproof is ninja-y so green needs to be in the deck." when one of the ****ing colors that ninjas are is a color that has hexproof.
And to the underlined part....no...no they cant.Their style and flavor is pure blue and black.Theres nothing white,red or green about them.
@ PorcelainGod-OOOMMMGGGGG! Dont post stuff that comes from the mothership that clearly destroies peoples Jeff Goldblum styles logic jumps.
Back to serious now.People seem to ignore that part.Its like Commander is meth to some people.Even though the focus of this product is the planes/phenomena which is hammered home by the fact the decks are 60 cards and not 100, they still seem to think this is just commander masked under planechase.
Again, I'm not saying that ninjas make a lot of sense in green. If they hadn't said there was a cycle of multicolor legends then I would never think ninjas would be green.
But if there's a cycle of multicolor legends, and maelstrom worker is ostensibly the first of the cycle, then explain to me how ninjas ISN'T forced to be GUB in order to host the GUB legend in the cycle.
EDIT: and yes, of course the FOCUS of the decks as a whole is planechase, I'm not arguing against that. But I really only do drafts and EDH these days, so I'm most interested in the new cards, and especially new legends, since those are the cards I'm most likely to use. I've tried planechase a few times but really didn't like it. I'm a control guy at heart, the chaos aspect just doesn't jive with my playstyle, and I don't really like the extra luck aspect. I can see the appeal, but it's not for me. New legends, though, that I can get interested in, I don't care what the rest of the deck is. You can't really blame people for focusing on the aspect of the release that's most interesting to them.
Also, I think it's clear from the way wizards spoiled the first card as a multicolor legend that they also realize that this product will appeal to way more people with some cool legends for EDH. Planechase didn't sell terribly well last time, adding a bunch of rabid EDHers, like myself, to the target market will definitely sell a lot more of them. It'd be stupid for them to hype up EDH players by spoiling a wedge legend with a teaser for a cycle, and then NOT give us a solid EDH cycle. I sincerely doubt wizards is that stupid.
You think they'd say there was a cycle of legendary creatures "like this one" and then include a cycle of preexisting multicolor legends and no other new ones? that'd be pretty dickish imo. Not sure what they'd do for ninjas, either.
But excluding that possibility, if they said it's a cycle of legends and it starts with a wedge legend, how else could the cycle really be completed except for other wedge legends?
I'm not trying to blind myself with optimism here, I'm just reading what they wrote. There's a few slim possibilities under which we might not be getting new wedge legends. What do you think they mean if they say there's a cycle of multicolor legends, "like [Maelstrom Wanderer]" other than a cycle of wedge legends?
I understand, but that's what the cards were originally made for. +flavor (this is commander after all.. and I feel weird to use the Horde merely as a 5c general)
So you're saying that you want horde reprinted without his elemental ability so we'll have a decent 5c general? That's not insane or anything.
You are right, though I dislike both the dragon, the lord, and the horde, because they are so type-specific.. And the Child isn't as good as those aforementioned.
no offense, but if you think you need to be playing dragon tribal to use scion, or elementals for horde, you're not using them correctly.
I just hope we'll get 4color commanders. It's probably the only thing we urgently need in Commander right now. That, and a decent 5-color dude.
possibility for the next commander product, but virtually impossible for planechase.
and wtf are you talking about no decent 5-color commanders? Scion of the ur-dragon is the general for arguably the best deck in the format, and horde of notions, child of alara, and sliver overlord are all very strong too. How about a decent general for RW, there's a color combo without anything decent to command.
Some food for thought for the people declaring that the ninja deck is 3 color.
So lets say the ninja deck has a new legend, then something like a Manalith color fixing card that can be in more then one deck. That leaves only 4 new cards. To justify dipping ninja into a 3rd color wouldn't all of those 4 have to be the new color? Then that would mean no new ninja in U or B. Is it really worth doing that in a Planechase product just to pander to Commander players?
Also even if all 4 of those cards are new ninja it would still mean only a total of 13 ninja, far too few creatures to make a NinjaEDH.
We also have to keep in mind that these are 60 card decks where multiple copies are allowed and if you take the 8 existing ninja and do this...
It kinda sounds like you talked yourself into the ninja deck not being green, and then talked yourself right back into the possibility. If there's even just 2 common green ninjas with 2-4 each, that would be a decent fraction of the deck to justify green's existence in it. I don't think anyone thinks green will be heavily in the ninja deck.
As I elaborated on in my reasoning, I wouldn't consider GUB ninjas much of a possibility if they hadn't stated that there would be a cycle of multicolor legends, ostensibly including maelstrom wanderer. But since they did, then one of my bulletpoints above has to be true, or ninjas HAS to be GUB. so which do you think is true?
-ninjas aren't in UB or UBx (seems unlikely since they've ONLY been in those colors).
-the spoiled legend isn't part of the cycle (again, seems unlikely, but it is POSSIBLE I guess. that'd mean a LOT of new legends, though with a cycle on top of this one.)
-the cycle isn't enemy triads. this is possible but it would be, imo, a major mislead on wizard's part. and realistically, assuming the spoiled legend is part of the cycle, how could the other legends complete the cycle without being enemy triads? maybe they're all red with 2 other colors? that's just weird and unbalanced. seems unlikely.
-one deck has multiple of the new legends. possible, but again I say unlikely if there are 4 legends (assuming that doran fills in for WGB). You'd need to have 1 four-color deck and 2 3-color decks, and then one deck doesn't get a new legend (it'd be the ninjas one) while another gets 2.
maybe...10? But all of them are much cheaper as singles.
Kaalia's way better as a 1v1 general. Maybe that says something about who's buying the decks?
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
yes, i missed those on purpose, because I was comparing it to the other decks.
saying a deck has $60 worth of singles doesn't make it worth $60. nobody is trading 25-cent uncommons. If you gave me a choice between $60 worth of mostly jank, or a $60 abu dual, I'm taking the dual.
also there's only a handful of really decent kaalia fodder. There's at least a few nonbos (dread cacodemon and reiver demon come to mind) and a bunch of pretty wimpy angels, and the akroma, strife, oros, despair, maaaybe mana-charged dragon (also sort of a nonbo) and a few more questionables that are actually decent kaalia food, and really only akroma and despair are likely to be used in a well-constructed kaalia deck.
Personally Kaalia would be low on my list, first choice would be...actually anything except kaalia. Zedruu's cool, Riku's cool, ghave and karador are both cool, and mimeoplasm is cool. heavenly inferno probably has the two boringest legends of all of them, plus by far the crappiest 2-color legend.
Also, I'd find it hard to believe that the other decks wouldn't be able to beat that. Hell, ghave starts off at $40 for ooze alone, everything else is just gravy.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I've done that 3 times now.
mother = 3.5
kaalia = 5
path = 4
angel of despair = 3
red akroma = 1.5
....
beyond that I'm honestly having a hard time seeing anything worth more than $1.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
devour had the best reprints and strength as a deck. ghave has the ooze and might be the strongest general (combo). mirror has edric and homeward path. puppets has chaos warp and flusterstorm.
inferno has...what? seriously? It's got freaking nothing! Most of the reprints are crap (ok, mother of runes and pte but those aren't that expensive compared to sad robot and a dozen others in devour) and none of the new stuff is worth a damn either. OK, kaalia is fairly popular but she's $5, that doesn't really make up for the rest of the deck being garbage.
I seriously do not understand this.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I dunno if I'd go THAT far, thalia is a little too far in the opposite direction, to where she's too boring.
A good example of what I mean is a general I just built around, toshiro umezawa. It's cheap and efficient, but still has a cool ability that can be built around, without paying a bunch of extra for high p/t when you really just want the ability.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
i disagree with that too. I think they're smart enough to realize that including exclusive legends in these decks will make EDH players buy them and move more product. If they print some crap legends they lose out on that whole demographic.
Also I don't feel like most of the commander deck legends really catered overly to EDH. Sure, karador was clearly built to be a general, but ruhan is sort of the opposite of EDH strategy, and a lot of the others could have passed for non-commander legends.
Anyway it doesn't have to be "made for commander" to be a good general. Personally I'd prefer some smaller, more efficient generals instead of big expensive "EDH cards".
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
It's not impossible for it to be a cycle of something else, I guess, but I still put the odds squarely in favor of a wedge legend cycle.
Personally I don't care that much, though, as long as there's some good legends I don't care too much if they're wedge, shard, allies or enemies. I'd only be disappointed if they were monocolored and/or lame.
Why does it matter why they're in there? People can care about whatever part of this release they want to.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
See but that's not a cycle. it's a bunch of legends in a set that was about multicolor tribes. Besides being multicolor legends they have nothing in common.
and not that it matters, but they also don't add up evenly as suggested.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
except that, unless they ALSO happen to be wedges, they wouldn't really be a cycle by the most common definition. Nobody calls the transmute cards "the transmute cycle" because, although they have an element in common, they're all in the same colors. The only other way I've heard "cycle" used is for a c/u/r cycle, which is really unbelievably unlikely to happen with URG legends.
1) Wizards has never, to my knowledge, having seen every card, done an asymmetric "cycle" with 2-3 colors cards like that. I think it's far more likely that we'll get an incomplete cycle, and my best guess for the excluded triad is GBW since Doran already gives them +1 legend over the other wedges.
2) I don't know why you're annoyed with people seeing this as a gift to EDH. Clearly wizards is playing that angle by spoiling a big splashy legend first and including a cycle in the set. It doesn't matter whether it's intended for EDH or not (and clearly it is or they wouldn't mention it. They know how much more popular EDH is than planechase) - good/cool legends will see EDH play regardless of the rest of the decks or the "intent" of the set (and again, I guarantee the intent, at least partially, of the legends is to entice EDH players to buy).
3) why would landfall twice be "broken"? Doesn't that sort of depend on what the landfall ability is? Unless you're saying it doubles existing landfall triggers of other permanents, but that would't follow the cycle since wanderer doesn't double other cascade abilities, he just has his own double ability.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Again, I'm not saying that ninjas make a lot of sense in green. If they hadn't said there was a cycle of multicolor legends then I would never think ninjas would be green.
But if there's a cycle of multicolor legends, and maelstrom worker is ostensibly the first of the cycle, then explain to me how ninjas ISN'T forced to be GUB in order to host the GUB legend in the cycle.
EDIT: and yes, of course the FOCUS of the decks as a whole is planechase, I'm not arguing against that. But I really only do drafts and EDH these days, so I'm most interested in the new cards, and especially new legends, since those are the cards I'm most likely to use. I've tried planechase a few times but really didn't like it. I'm a control guy at heart, the chaos aspect just doesn't jive with my playstyle, and I don't really like the extra luck aspect. I can see the appeal, but it's not for me. New legends, though, that I can get interested in, I don't care what the rest of the deck is. You can't really blame people for focusing on the aspect of the release that's most interesting to them.
Also, I think it's clear from the way wizards spoiled the first card as a multicolor legend that they also realize that this product will appeal to way more people with some cool legends for EDH. Planechase didn't sell terribly well last time, adding a bunch of rabid EDHers, like myself, to the target market will definitely sell a lot more of them. It'd be stupid for them to hype up EDH players by spoiling a wedge legend with a teaser for a cycle, and then NOT give us a solid EDH cycle. I sincerely doubt wizards is that stupid.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
But excluding that possibility, if they said it's a cycle of legends and it starts with a wedge legend, how else could the cycle really be completed except for other wedge legends?
I'm not trying to blind myself with optimism here, I'm just reading what they wrote. There's a few slim possibilities under which we might not be getting new wedge legends. What do you think they mean if they say there's a cycle of multicolor legends, "like [Maelstrom Wanderer]" other than a cycle of wedge legends?
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
So you're saying that you want horde reprinted without his elemental ability so we'll have a decent 5c general? That's not insane or anything.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
no offense, but if you think you need to be playing dragon tribal to use scion, or elementals for horde, you're not using them correctly.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
possibility for the next commander product, but virtually impossible for planechase.
and wtf are you talking about no decent 5-color commanders? Scion of the ur-dragon is the general for arguably the best deck in the format, and horde of notions, child of alara, and sliver overlord are all very strong too. How about a decent general for RW, there's a color combo without anything decent to command.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
It kinda sounds like you talked yourself into the ninja deck not being green, and then talked yourself right back into the possibility. If there's even just 2 common green ninjas with 2-4 each, that would be a decent fraction of the deck to justify green's existence in it. I don't think anyone thinks green will be heavily in the ninja deck.
As I elaborated on in my reasoning, I wouldn't consider GUB ninjas much of a possibility if they hadn't stated that there would be a cycle of multicolor legends, ostensibly including maelstrom wanderer. But since they did, then one of my bulletpoints above has to be true, or ninjas HAS to be GUB. so which do you think is true?
I'm pretty sure that covers all possibilities.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6