Pinenutt10
But that's just it, we'd (at least me) really like to see Ninjutsu work in Commander in the form of some crazy shenanigan where you can Ninjutsu your General in fom the Command Zone.
Commander is a casual playstyle.Why do people keep looking for offical ruleings on it?
adlorin
Beat-stick ninja, exactly what my ninja deck wanted.
Well it will see more play in Commander.Just not as a commander.Though i cant see what UB commander youd have in a ninja themed commander deck.Isn't their only 8 ninjas total before this guy comes out?And where not likely to get many more,maybe 2 others,this still makes a terrible Commander ninja deck.....i take it back this ninja isn't going to see play...in anything.
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I would have prefered something less expensive. Ninjas are never that big, just tricky. I just hope its going to have a body matching.
If the other threads info turns out to be true its a 7/5.But the UUBB in the casting cost and ninjitsu cost make it highly unplayable even in a blue/black deck.
So a late game finisher with a combat damage ability that hardly matters by then plus your hitting them for almost half opponents life total.....yeah they made it for Commander.Yay ??? Look i get people like commander i haven't played it so i cant knock it.But was it to much to ask to have a regular casual ninja legend?
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Isn't it confirmed that we will see a cycle of five commanders?
No it isn't.The only card we know of is Maelstorm Wanderer.And this isnt a commander product.
Pinenutt10
And yes, there will be five new Legends, which mean one deck will have two.
We dont know this either.We just know that there will be multicolor legends in it.Theirs only four decks.We could get two legends out of the whole thing for all we know right now.
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You can solve the problem of a Legendary Ninja creature in green by making it merely synergistic with the existing ninjas. A BUG Legend that makes all your creatures unblockable, for example, doesn't have to be a Ninja.
They dont like how shadow makes games non interactive,they're not going to make a card that makes the game non interactive just for your opponents.And makeing the multicolor legend in a ninja themed deck not a ninja is as equaly ridiculous than trying to force green into its casting cost.
DirkGently
Anyway it doesn't have to be "made for commander" to be a good general.
So thats exactly why the ninja deck dosen't need green just to force a BUG legend.Lets look at Malestrom Wanderer.I was initialy annoyed that it has bule in its mana cost since theres nothing on the card that is blue flavored.The thing that makes it ok is the flavor.The malestrom is all colors and every color has cascade.So a URG creature spawned from isn't something so forced.This wouldn't be the same for a ninja legend.It would be incredibly forced to tack on another color where its dosen't make sense and isn't needed.
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ThunderEarthFire //gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[hexproof">&color=%7C[G]"]These say hi. Green has a ton of hexproof creatures as well. In addition it has flash creatures as well which also fit with ninjas. Yes, blue has flash and hexproof creatures as well, but no one's saying ninja's won't be blue, they're just saying they could be green.
Yet you left out the blue and white,besides hybrid, that has hexproof as well.That was the whole point of dropping fear and makeing intimidate non color specific.Hexproof is mostly in green with blue as secondary and mildly in white.Its utterly stupid to say "hexproof is ninja-y so green needs to be in the deck." when one of the ****ing colors that ninjas are is a color that has hexproof.
And to the underlined part....no...no they cant.Their style and flavor is pure blue and black.Theres nothing white,red or green about them.
@ PorcelainGod-OOOMMMGGGGG! Dont post stuff that comes from the mothership that clearly destroies peoples Jeff Goldblum styles logic jumps.
Back to serious now.People seem to ignore that part.Its like Commander is meth to some people.Even though the focus of this product is the planes/phenomena which is hammered home by the fact the decks are 60 cards and not 100, they still seem to think this is just commander masked under planechase.
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and green is the color of hexproof, which seems ninja-y.
So Aven Fleetwing,Invisible Stalker & Lord of the Unreal are green? Oh wait their not.Their blue.....which aslo happens to be one of the ninja colors.In fact an Invisible Stalker or two more than likey will be in the deck since A)It helps you actually use ninjitsu & B)Rogues are tricky deceptive characters i.e.-much like ninjas
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Green also has enough creature tutors, which might be a good thing to find the ninja you actual want (or get back from the dead with Genesis etc.).
So let me get this straight....your reaching for a reason for green to be in a ninja deck and your reason is that blue cant search for cards and black cant get creatures back from the yard?What game have you been playing?
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Yeah, I guess I was being a tad bit biased. But I really do think Wizards has cause to reprint Dromar, the Banisher, if not in Planechase 2, then sometime in the future.
Haveing a little bias is'nt bad.Just remember to take a step back and see if it locks in to a bigger picture.He could still get a reprint in Planechase2, just not in a ninja themed deck where hes an off color and an ability the only sorta helps ninjuitsu.
It would be like throwing http://magiccards.info/fvd/en/12.html with the from the vault art non-foil in a werewolf deck just because i want one from the vault non-foil version of it.Same could be said for Crosis, the Purger with a non-foil graveborn art in a zombie deck.Id like versions like that but putting them where they dont belong isnt good.Wizards will find a way to get my money reguarding those and they'll do there best to do it flavorably and sensibly.
Now if we go with Maelstrom Wanderer being connected to Alara and with the the maelstrom itself being all colors the Wanderer is probably in the Chaos Reigns deck.This also mean its probably a five color deck.Dromar could fit in that deck because hes multicolor in a multicolor deck with the Wanderer being able to get him out for free along with anything else.And Dromars ability will offset your opponent more than you with the potential to bounce the Wanderer back to your hand to cast again and get more free stuff for you which is plenty helpfull in a five color deck.
Edit-Now that iv'e typed that.When the Chaos Reigns deck list comes out and Wanderer and Dromar are in it i'll just say now that...I CALLED IT!!! and your welcome.
Pinenutt10 Dromar, the Banisher is the only Invasion dragon I don't have, not because he's too expensive, but because he doesn't yet have a modern-border card. It wouldn't bother me if he were never reprinted, but I think Wizards kinda wasnts to reprint him.
No im pretty sure your just baseing it on the the fact that you want him in.Not what wizards actually thinks.
Why would they put a dragon in a ninja deck when Higure, the Still Wind is going to be in it, ya know being a ninja and all.And they could print Artful Dodge with new art of a ninja in it.Whispersilk Cloak would more than likely be in the deck, or possibly a 2.0 version with hexproof instead of shroud.
Finally a UB ninja legend makes more sense to add in than throwing a dragon with an off color for ninjas.
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The thing people need to stop doing is assuming that just because there is one wedge legend that all the new deck are wedge focued.Seems like most got so giddy over it that they ignored that wizards just slapped blue on maelstorm wanderer just to make it a wedge,because theirs nothing blue about it at all.
Chaos Reigns-More than likely has maelstorm wanderer in it meaning its a 5-color deck since wanderer has cascade and cascade is in every color.
Night of the Ninja-Definatly UB.If we get a legend for it would definatly be UB to show a ninja with the greatest deceptive skills and the best assasination skills.
Primordial Hunger-Could be G, RG, GB or RBG. Deck doesn't sound white or blue.
Savage Auras-Could have white,red or green in any combo.Maybe blue.Blacks out.
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really hoping planechase 2 has at least one enemy wedge legend per deck.
Being that one of the decks is named Night of the Ninja,its not going to happen.Theirs nothing ninja-ish about white,red or green.That was the whole reason they put them only in blue & black.If we even get a legend for that deck its going to be blue/black.
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@Polendino-Actually they mix too well. And what makes you think wizards is going to limit themselves to 3 color generals next time the do commander decks?They could easily do a 4color deck,two 3color decks and a 2color deck for the next release.
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B- Fear (not intimidate on a 4 color creature) -Combat damage to player exiles a card from their library
but the point of a 4 color is to do all but ONE thing or something that can't be done in any 1 2 or 3 colors.
Hey dont even.Fear is gone for makeing new cards.It would be deathtouch and you know it.
Which at this point anything can be done with 3 colors.Since they've been trying to keep colors from haveing an exclusive thing as long as it could fit in another color.The only thing they have yet to do is give white taxable counter spells.
nietkijken
I wonder how they fix the "ninja being in the commande zone and not in your hand" problem. if they gonna fix it.(or look after it at all)
They aren't.They didn't make a special rule for Phage.Should i even mention Higure & Ink-Eyes already have that problem.
Furthermore its going to be in a Planechase product,not a Commander one.The focus is on new planes and phenomenans.The new cards are just a sweet bonus.
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Commander is a casual playstyle.Why do people keep looking for offical ruleings on it?
Well it will see more play in Commander.Just not as a commander.Though i cant see what UB commander youd have in a ninja themed commander deck.Isn't their only 8 ninjas total before this guy comes out?And where not likely to get many more,maybe 2 others,this still makes a terrible Commander ninja deck.....i take it back this ninja isn't going to see play...in anything.
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If the other threads info turns out to be true its a 7/5.But the UUBB in the casting cost and ninjitsu cost make it highly unplayable even in a blue/black deck.
So a late game finisher with a combat damage ability that hardly matters by then plus your hitting them for almost half opponents life total.....yeah they made it for Commander.Yay ??? Look i get people like commander i haven't played it so i cant knock it.But was it to much to ask to have a regular casual ninja legend?
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Maybe thats because you counted copied spells.Storm only gets copies from spells you actually casted,not from copies put on the stack by an ability.
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No it isn't.The only card we know of is Maelstorm Wanderer.And this isnt a commander product.
We dont know this either.We just know that there will be multicolor legends in it.Theirs only four decks.We could get two legends out of the whole thing for all we know right now.
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They dont like how shadow makes games non interactive,they're not going to make a card that makes the game non interactive just for your opponents.And makeing the multicolor legend in a ninja themed deck not a ninja is as equaly ridiculous than trying to force green into its casting cost.
So thats exactly why the ninja deck dosen't need green just to force a BUG legend.Lets look at Malestrom Wanderer.I was initialy annoyed that it has bule in its mana cost since theres nothing on the card that is blue flavored.The thing that makes it ok is the flavor.The malestrom is all colors and every color has cascade.So a URG creature spawned from isn't something so forced.This wouldn't be the same for a ninja legend.It would be incredibly forced to tack on another color where its dosen't make sense and isn't needed.
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Yet you left out the blue and white,besides hybrid, that has hexproof as well.That was the whole point of dropping fear and makeing intimidate non color specific.Hexproof is mostly in green with blue as secondary and mildly in white.Its utterly stupid to say "hexproof is ninja-y so green needs to be in the deck." when one of the ****ing colors that ninjas are is a color that has hexproof.
And to the underlined part....no...no they cant.Their style and flavor is pure blue and black.Theres nothing white,red or green about them.
@ PorcelainGod-OOOMMMGGGGG! Dont post stuff that comes from the mothership that clearly destroies peoples Jeff Goldblum styles logic jumps.
Back to serious now.People seem to ignore that part.Its like Commander is meth to some people.Even though the focus of this product is the planes/phenomena which is hammered home by the fact the decks are 60 cards and not 100, they still seem to think this is just commander masked under planechase.
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So Aven Fleetwing,Invisible Stalker & Lord of the Unreal are green? Oh wait their not.Their blue.....which aslo happens to be one of the ninja colors.In fact an Invisible Stalker or two more than likey will be in the deck since A)It helps you actually use ninjitsu & B)Rogues are tricky deceptive characters i.e.-much like ninjas
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So let me get this straight....your reaching for a reason for green to be in a ninja deck and your reason is that blue cant search for cards and black cant get creatures back from the yard?What game have you been playing?
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Haveing a little bias is'nt bad.Just remember to take a step back and see if it locks in to a bigger picture.He could still get a reprint in Planechase2, just not in a ninja themed deck where hes an off color and an ability the only sorta helps ninjuitsu.
It would be like throwing http://magiccards.info/fvd/en/12.html with the from the vault art non-foil in a werewolf deck just because i want one from the vault non-foil version of it.Same could be said for Crosis, the Purger with a non-foil graveborn art in a zombie deck.Id like versions like that but putting them where they dont belong isnt good.Wizards will find a way to get my money reguarding those and they'll do there best to do it flavorably and sensibly.
Now if we go with Maelstrom Wanderer being connected to Alara and with the the maelstrom itself being all colors the Wanderer is probably in the Chaos Reigns deck.This also mean its probably a five color deck.Dromar could fit in that deck because hes multicolor in a multicolor deck with the Wanderer being able to get him out for free along with anything else.And Dromars ability will offset your opponent more than you with the potential to bounce the Wanderer back to your hand to cast again and get more free stuff for you which is plenty helpfull in a five color deck.
Edit-Now that iv'e typed that.When the Chaos Reigns deck list comes out and Wanderer and Dromar are in it i'll just say now that...I CALLED IT!!! and your welcome.
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No im pretty sure your just baseing it on the the fact that you want him in.Not what wizards actually thinks.
Why would they put a dragon in a ninja deck when Higure, the Still Wind is going to be in it, ya know being a ninja and all.And they could print Artful Dodge with new art of a ninja in it.Whispersilk Cloak would more than likely be in the deck, or possibly a 2.0 version with hexproof instead of shroud.
Finally a UB ninja legend makes more sense to add in than throwing a dragon with an off color for ninjas.
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Chaos Reigns-More than likely has maelstorm wanderer in it meaning its a 5-color deck since wanderer has cascade and cascade is in every color.
Night of the Ninja-Definatly UB.If we get a legend for it would definatly be UB to show a ninja with the greatest deceptive skills and the best assasination skills.
Primordial Hunger-Could be G, RG, GB or RBG. Deck doesn't sound white or blue.
Savage Auras-Could have white,red or green in any combo.Maybe blue.Blacks out.
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Being that one of the decks is named Night of the Ninja,its not going to happen.Theirs nothing ninja-ish about white,red or green.That was the whole reason they put them only in blue & black.If we even get a legend for that deck its going to be blue/black.
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Hey dont even.Fear is gone for makeing new cards.It would be deathtouch and you know it.
Which at this point anything can be done with 3 colors.Since they've been trying to keep colors from haveing an exclusive thing as long as it could fit in another color.The only thing they have yet to do is give white taxable counter spells.
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They aren't.They didn't make a special rule for Phage.Should i even mention Higure & Ink-Eyes already have that problem.
Furthermore its going to be in a Planechase product,not a Commander one.The focus is on new planes and phenomenans.The new cards are just a sweet bonus.
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