@daviusminimus- I'm not telling that I'm not going to test the "standard list". In fact I've all the cards that I'm not sure about (golems and wurmcoils) but in all thew videos i've seen (and believe me, they are a lot) when the player have these cards usually : a) can't cast them b) doesn't impact on the game.
I'm not telling that I want to cut them, only asking if they worthwhile in your opinion. I'm playing MTG since revised so I've experience in this game also.
But I was wondering if is better, for example, to play the wurmcoils, or having the trinket mage + basilisk collar in the main deck
I was also suggesting cards that I think could help (at least in sideboard) to this archetype. In the videos I've seen (see youtube and look for this deck matches) there are a couple of games (i think saffronOlive was playing this deck) in which he is playing against living end and lose despite having birds and golems (his opponent reach 7-8 lands so it was enough to pay al taxes).
Also there was another game (I don't remember who was piloting the deck) in wich the opponent lands a stony silence and the player almost scoop.
I want to play this deck and make my own judgements and thinks what to cut and what to leave but meanwhile the cards arrive I can't do much testing (yes, i can proxy almost all the deck) but I prefer to wait a week and begin to play because I haven't so much time.
@daviusminimus- I'm not telling that I'm not going to test the "standard list". In fact I've all the cards that I'm not sure about (golems and wurmcoils) but in all thew videos i've seen (and believe me, they are a lot) when the player have these cards usually : a) can't cast them b) doesn't impact on the game.
I'm not telling that I want to cut them, only asking if they worthwhile in your opinion. I'm playing MTG since revised so I've experience in this game also.
But I was wondering if is better, for example, to play the wurmcoils, or having the trinket mage + basilisk collar in the main deck
I was also suggesting cards that I think could help (at least in sideboard) to this archetype. In the videos I've seen (see youtube and look for this deck matches) there are a couple of games (i think saffronOlive was playing this deck) in which he is playing against living end and lose.
Also there was another game (I don't remember who was piloting the deck) in wich the opponent lands a stony silence and the player almost scoop.
I want to play this deck and make my own judgements and thinks what to cut and what to leave but meanwhile the cards arrive I can't do much testing (yes, i can proxy almost all the deck) but I prefer to wait a week and begin to play because I haven't so much time.
I've been watching videos of this deck and seems really funny so I've bought the cards I don't own and I can't wait to sleeve them and begin to play with it ;).
I've chosen the Xantoo list ;), although there are some card that doesn't convince me.
Oboro, Palace in the clouds seems very expensive for what it's going to do. Beside of that I think a cavern of souls or two should be in there so I'm going to replace it and see how it works
the other cards that I'm not very sold on are the wurmcoil engines. I know we need a finisher so I'm looking for something better to replace them. If I find something would suggest it here.
On the other side I'm not sure about lodestone golem. In all the games I've seen in youtube its tax effect is almost irrelevant and only want them as a big beater. I think if they are in the list there must be a good reason but as I've said in lot of games the effect seems to be almost irrelevant. I'm going to try them and see what happens.
I've also have seen lists with master of etherium but also they seem to be an expensive 1/1 much of the time. I also don't know if they worthwhile.
Silent Arbiter could be an option in sideboard against heavy aggro ultra fast decks (i.e living end)? Kuldotha Forgemaster: to search for a singleton aberration like inkwell leviathan or something similar
and what about Spire Golem for a flying cheap creature ?
First time posting in this thread but after seeing the mtggoldfish videos and reading this whole post (44 pages is a lot ) I've thought on a build that at least to me seems very appealing but I would like to know what do you think about. Also I've some questions to throw at you guys so here we go.
I can see this list goldfihing a lot and tapping any of our one drop to cast copter/ walker/throne seems very appealing and favorable winds + hangarback walker seems like combo wombo, cause if they kill it, probably they will die and if not kill it you can sit on it or do some gross things.
The throne is the nut and in this deck is really gross
Anyways as I've said I've some questions:
1) in your lists you are not playing any kind of removal (besides walking ballista). Do you think a deck like this one would need it??
2) All your lists have 4 lodestone golem. Are they mandatory?? I see them really weak and easily removable so not sure if they worth it.
3) Not sure if use Siren Stormtamer or signal pest in this slot
4) there are more questions but I don't want to bore you so any help is very appreciated and welcome.
I'm not telling that I want to cut them, only asking if they worthwhile in your opinion. I'm playing MTG since revised so I've experience in this game also.
But I was wondering if is better, for example, to play the wurmcoils, or having the trinket mage + basilisk collar in the main deck
I was also suggesting cards that I think could help (at least in sideboard) to this archetype. In the videos I've seen (see youtube and look for this deck matches) there are a couple of games (i think saffronOlive was playing this deck) in which he is playing against living end and lose despite having birds and golems (his opponent reach 7-8 lands so it was enough to pay al taxes).
Also there was another game (I don't remember who was piloting the deck) in wich the opponent lands a stony silence and the player almost scoop.
I want to play this deck and make my own judgements and thinks what to cut and what to leave but meanwhile the cards arrive I can't do much testing (yes, i can proxy almost all the deck) but I prefer to wait a week and begin to play because I haven't so much time.
I'm not telling that I want to cut them, only asking if they worthwhile in your opinion. I'm playing MTG since revised so I've experience in this game also.
But I was wondering if is better, for example, to play the wurmcoils, or having the trinket mage + basilisk collar in the main deck
I was also suggesting cards that I think could help (at least in sideboard) to this archetype. In the videos I've seen (see youtube and look for this deck matches) there are a couple of games (i think saffronOlive was playing this deck) in which he is playing against living end and lose.
Also there was another game (I don't remember who was piloting the deck) in wich the opponent lands a stony silence and the player almost scoop.
I want to play this deck and make my own judgements and thinks what to cut and what to leave but meanwhile the cards arrive I can't do much testing (yes, i can proxy almost all the deck) but I prefer to wait a week and begin to play because I haven't so much time.
I've chosen the Xantoo list ;), although there are some card that doesn't convince me.
Oboro, Palace in the clouds seems very expensive for what it's going to do. Beside of that I think a cavern of souls or two should be in there so I'm going to replace it and see how it works
the other cards that I'm not very sold on are the wurmcoil engines. I know we need a finisher so I'm looking for something better to replace them. If I find something would suggest it here.
On the other side I'm not sure about lodestone golem. In all the games I've seen in youtube its tax effect is almost irrelevant and only want them as a big beater. I think if they are in the list there must be a good reason but as I've said in lot of games the effect seems to be almost irrelevant. I'm going to try them and see what happens.
I've also have seen lists with master of etherium but also they seem to be an expensive 1/1 much of the time. I also don't know if they worthwhile.
Silent Arbiter could be an option in sideboard against heavy aggro ultra fast decks (i.e living end)?
Kuldotha Forgemaster: to search for a singleton aberration like inkwell leviathan or something similar
and what about Spire Golem for a flying cheap creature ?
What do you think??
Please could you share your actual list??
First time posting in this thread but after seeing the mtggoldfish videos and reading this whole post (44 pages is a lot ) I've thought on a build that at least to me seems very appealing but I would like to know what do you think about. Also I've some questions to throw at you guys so here we go.
The list I'm thinking about is:
4 judge's Familiar
4 Siren Stormtamer
4 hangarback walker
4 favorable winds
4 chief engineer
4 etherium sculptor
4 Smuggler's Copter
3 Throne of the God-Pharaoh
4 grand architect
1 God-Pharaoh's Gift
12 Island
4 Faerie conclave
4 Ghost Quarter
I can see this list goldfihing a lot and tapping any of our one drop to cast copter/ walker/throne seems very appealing and favorable winds + hangarback walker seems like combo wombo, cause if they kill it, probably they will die and if not kill it you can sit on it or do some gross things.
The throne is the nut and in this deck is really gross
Anyways as I've said I've some questions:
1) in your lists you are not playing any kind of removal (besides walking ballista). Do you think a deck like this one would need it??
2) All your lists have 4 lodestone golem. Are they mandatory?? I see them really weak and easily removable so not sure if they worth it.
3) Not sure if use Siren Stormtamer or signal pest in this slot
4) there are more questions but I don't want to bore you so any help is very appreciated and welcome.
Lot of thanks.