MTG Salvation

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The hard part about making that cut is that you are basically cutting a spell to make room for a land. makes it really hard to find a candidate for cutting.

It's also a token generator, so there is that.

The other problem is it is not actually a land card. I can't just cut a land for it because I run just enough to hit the land drops I need in the early game. So I think the most logical cut would be a mana rock. That's hard too, because this is a bit slow for a mana rock, and I think the rocks I'm running are overall better cards. My weakest mana rock is probably Mind Stone, and I'm already planning to ditch that for SotV.

I do love them Sol Lands though, and the defensive bolster would be useful where I feel soft to aggro...

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Oh man, thats a nasty set up. Boo on your opponents for letting that happen Paradox engine is so good.

There are a number of nasty set ups that our opponents shouldn't let us get online. But sometimes we will. I think I had this going by turn 5 or 6, it's not always easy to stop us when we stampede out of the gate like that.

In other news, anybody plan on testing this:



The flip side is a colour fixing Sol Land that spits out 4/4 artifacts, and the main side is also an artifact and easy for us to transform. Seems made for the deck, but I'm not sure I have a cut I like.

It turns out that Paradox Engine + Planar Portal + 6 mana in rocks is a pretty good board state...

Mishra is super fun to play!

My updated list:

Best part is Storm Of The Vault is U/R, so most artifact themed decks can't run it.

Memnarch is looking better now too.

When does this gem hit the shelves?

Padeem!
Padeem was intended for my deck since he was first spoiled. I've had most of the deck sitting unfinished in a box for so long now...
It seems by the time I was finally gathering odds and ends (to top up to 100 cards) I had plum forgot about him. 50 cents - cheap! Time to go shopping.

@Lord Rewind,
If it's any consultation, I used to be a card magician (sleight of hand). I have a delicate shuffle that won't hurt the cards.
I'm running far to many creature activations for Totem, but Needle goes in before my next shuffle.

Needle is a good idea (and I have Needles).

My Brother's Elf deck is Ezuri. I built that for him myself, and minus the Cradle it is built for maximum competitive value. I don't suspect to be a good match-up against stronger decks like that (especially 1-on-1). He Also has a Sachi deck - not tokens, just crazy ramp and green "Timmy" monsters. Ge is building slivers - more crazy aggro.

My other regular opponent has Superfriends, and more casual Karn, Spirits and Demons. The Demon deck is hilarious - all lands and Demons! If he gets the right start it's actually very deadly, but usually it's clunky.

When I play in a LGS the meta is pretty wild an open. I can expect to see all varieties of styles and power levels. I don't get out enough to have a good idea what is more or less common, but my experiences have been quite varied. I'll try to get some public play in soon.

A card I'd forgotten was Master Transmuter (I kind of thought there was a U artificer I had neglected). I have a couple LGSs yet to hit up for a Darksteel Forge too (and that's probably the top priority). I have some store credit (if I can find my card) - would you recommend Blightsteel or Scarecrone if I can only get one?

Edit - I think mostly I need some sleeves! Riffle-shuffling unsleeved Nether Void, Transmute Artifact, and City Of Traitors can earn you some looks.

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If your meta has a lot of go wide strategies (like rats, tokens, etc) - 1 card that works WONDERS is crawlspace. Its another fairly cheap pick up, and it will really stymie players that want to bash you with dozens of creatures, since you can easily generate chump blockers with an artifact deck.

The Rats deck was actually mine (my brother didn't have decks with him). But I played against Elves and another monoG aggro deck today, and I do seem soft to decks which vomit creatures onto the board. Crawlspace is going in for sure, and I might try Silent Arbiter also (I don't generate token swarms in this list, so the symmetry should be okay).

Vandalblast looks pretty fun too. Thanks for all your work on the primer, this deck is totally up my alley.

Hi everyone!

Since taking an interest in this delightful deck, I've had some difficult years financially. But at long last I have scraped together a 100 card list. Bear in mind I've had almost zero budget for this. It's almost entirely built with cards I already owned or have been lucky enough to trade into. My list:


So there are a number of mediocre cards that will eventually be replaced.
Top priorities:

• Darksteel Forge
  
• Blightsteel Colossus
  
• Scarecrone
  
• Tezzeret The Seeker
  
• Karn, Silver Golem

These seem like core cards that the deck really needs - especially the first 3.

Other good cards I want:

• Metalworker
  
• Paradox Engine
  
• Vedalken Archmage
  
• Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast

And maybe some better tutors (Vampiric Tutor seems especially good).

Sadly Guardian Beast has tripled in prcie4 since I took an interest in this deck. Maybe someday. Mana Drain would also be nice, and is also a "maybe someday" card (less desired than the Beats, though). Probably never get a Workshop.

Workshop aside, I'm very happy with the manabase. Obviously the 2 depletion lands have got to go (4 bounce lands plus Scortched Ruins does help out, but nonetheless). These will be replaced with pain lands, fast lands, or Shadowmoor filter lands. If I end up needing more colour fixing, I'll also cut some weaker utility lands.

I tested the deck vs Relentless Rats (one-on-one). First game I got a Chalice on 5 to lock out Thrumming Stone & Marrow-Gnawer (and also Thoughtcast). Second game I succumbed to the Rat beats, but had I not misplayed I could have attacked with Hellkite Tyrant (with a Mycosynth Lattice in play just in time.

I enjoy the deck every bit as much as I knew I would. I'm looking forward to refining it and playing it.

I don't own a Seeker yet! My experiences with Agent of Bolas have been in Legacy Affinity, where if you can ultimate you win. Obviously it's less powerful in EDH!

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The exception would be if i really badly needed the life boost, or if I could kill an opponent that turn with it.

Is it that rare that you can kill an opponent? With, say, ten artifacts on board you can kill anybody with twenty life or less. And Seeker could ultimate to alpha-strike for fifty damage. Do these things not ever really happen for you?

I agree that walkers generally need to be evaluated under the assumption that you generally won't have the opportunity to ultimate. But with Tezzerets in the mix, we need to compare prospective walkers to these guys who's ultimates are actually relevant (or at least they seem that way to me).

I totally misread Quicksmith Rebel - thought it imbued every artifact we control. Scratch that!

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i am a believer you should never judge a walker by their ult since it never really happens

Old Tezzerets can get an ultimate off with a lot less trouble.

New Tezz is spoiled!



+1 Create an artifact with T: sacrifice for 1 of any color of mana
-2 Target creature gets +x/-x until end of turn where x is number of artifacts you control
-7 you get an emblem with at beginning of combat target artifact becomes 5/5 creature

But I think I might like Master of Metal better. Drawing a card is usually worth more than one mana. The removal is nice on Conspirator, but I think the ultimate is better on Master of Metal. I'm not too worried about the extra two cmc. What do you guys think?

I think the primer is just fab!

Eventually I'll finish the deck - I haven''t had a lot of cash these last couple years. Mostly I need some of the more costly colour fixing lands, but even needing several-plus $10-$20 artifacts is not always easy. I do have about 2/3 of the deck ready, including some high end stuff like Transmute Artifact, Nether Void, Chalice, Antiquities Recall, Mox Opal, and both Sol lands. I'd like to run Workshop, Candelabra, and Mana Drain, but they might be out of my range.

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Scrap Trawler seems INSANE. I cannot wait to sleeve up one.

Gonna be pretty fun when you Welder your Junk Diver into the yard!

Quicksmith Rebel & Scrap Trawler look like they have a lot of potential...

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I am gonna wait until all the spoilers are out then do a review. look for my thoughts in that post when it comes.

Many f us were expecting a R/U legendary creature with artifact synergy. I wanted it for utility, obviously. We already have a fine general! The fact they didn't print one will help keep our deck distinct.