What's more degenerate in Modernz simic Oko or Urza/Whirza?
Normally i don't play top tier. But i feel like being completely degenerate with a deck. Who do you guys think will get me punched in the face faster? Urza Whirl or Simic Oko?
Welp, looting got banned and I’m gonna move away from dredge now. I wanna try something a bit more grindy though. Unfortunately Jund and Abzan with sfm are out of my budget. Pretty much anything else will do though. I’d love to be able to grind as well as having an oops I win button. I’d like to be fairly competitive. I’d love to go to a go and be able to put up decent results. Smth like twin or red prison in legacy. Any and all ideas are appreciated. Thanks!
well the best "fair (ish)" proven deck right now is eldrazi tron, karn+6 mana win you the game (SB=Mycosynth Lattice).
also, more combo than grindy (but have a lot of interaction), mardu death shadow is great right now, with some set up the combo kill is right there (discard or another protection like the new mother of runes+Hex Parasite+Temur Battle Rage ).
Lastly, current mardu pyromancer is dead, but i could see a similar shell, slower with Nahiri, the Harbinger+emrakul.
Again, less "delver" than the current iteration, but with better inevitability (nahiri is a worst but faster jace TMS in this aspect)
if you really like playing a more fair/midrange deck with a good chance of beating those combo decks...you could play any UBx deck with Unmoored Ego (either main or SB)
for example (look at the bottom under Recent Decks Using Unmoored Ego)
I'm currently on the lookout for a deck that has a decent Tron and Amulet Titan matchup. The problem is that I don't really want to play something like Ad Nauseam or Storm...
Any ideas?
what about "combo creature decks"? like Hardened Scales, Infect or Devoted Company?
Hello there, I play a semi-competitive meta, with tiers from belcher to uw vialess spirits to doran aggro or knights tribal, Im used to play grind decks with a combo back plan in case i need it and im trying to play temur colours (red green and blue), I've got a nice pool of semi-budget cards with fetches and shocks but no snapcasters or cryptics but the rest, do you have any idea or suggestion? Back on my days I played a lot of faeries and i like the delver-deceiver kiki too but im into temur charm and stuff like that, also have a chance to play something like jeskai control but on a budget.
Im kinda lost, I would love to read all your ideas, thank you for the time, xoxo
pick your poison!, mainly green +other colors midrange goodstuff decks:
How about Izzet Phoenix? It's the new hot ***** and putting up some serious numbers.
Won't it be another UR wizards?
Sometimes those decks come up but never stick, and the phoenixes are quiet an investment. :/ I own almost all the rest thought.
So! I need help deciding on what deck I should make. For the past few weeks, my friend has been letting me play his Jeskai Control deck and I've been overperforming with it regularly ending up in the top 3 out of 30 ish people. Personally, I can't afford that deck though but I've seen two decks that I could make in its place. The first deck was the last deck I played in Standard, Jeskai Saheeli. For the most part, I'd want to build it as a semi-value control deck with things like Crackling Drake, Gideon Ally of Zendikar, Reflector Mage, 2 Snapcaster Mage, Lightning Bolts and Helixes, Path and a few counterspells with maybe a Nahiri in the main or side and a target for her. The other deck I was thinking of is Mardu Pyromancer with more white than usual for Path, Gideon and the white sideboard cards since they are all pretty powerful cards to have here. I'm really torn between the two. I typically played control in the past and my modern experience is limited so I'm not really sure which to build. On one hand, I really know Saheeli since I spent a long time playing that deck in standard. On the other hand, Mardu Pyro is a better deck but Faithless Looting feels soooooo wrong to me by throwing away the card advantage. So! I'd like some advice on which to make and any tips on how to build them best
i like saheeli, but lets be honest, mardu pyromancer is the winner here. And while i firmly believe that mastering a deck is important in modern, having played in standard against a totally (subpar?) different meta is not relevant experience IMHO. its a totally different experience playing a mirror saheeli in standard that knowing how to play against humans or KCI in modern.
I recently finished building Dredge and am having a blast with the deck so far, but I'm really needing an option that is less graveyard based for when my local meta inevitably overcorrects and starts running absurd amounts of graveyard hate.
Ideally if like to try something new, and while I'm open to buying the cards I need I'd like to limit my budget to around $600. Previously I've played Storm, Death and Taxes, UW Control, Titanshift, Affinity, Merfolk, Esper Draw Go, and Mardu Pyromancer.
Currently the options I'm looking at are Merfolk, Ad Nauseam, Titanshift, Infect, or some sort of absurd tier 3 jank that I can relax with on my weeks off Dredge. Probably something like 7 Land Belcher. Absurd, yes? Glass cannon? Also yes. Bad deck? Absolutely. Still fun though.
Mostly just looking for opinions or suggestions. I'd like to stay in the realm of combo decks if possible, Merfolk is the exception as I really enjoyed that deck the last time I played it.
Ad Nauseum is the best creatureless combo deck in modern (and i would say it was the best combo deck until storm got new toys, like baral)
for tier 3 combo (to me land belcher is no tier since i dont think have put any real result in tournament) i like Jeskai Ascendancy combo because i love palying Glittering Wish in combo. Other than that, there are several tier 3 decks that are build around a card ( Soulflayer, Kiln Fiend infect like, Saheeli/cat like twin...etc).
pd: i forgot seismic swans! pretty funny deck IMHO
I want to get some advice which deck might be a good choice for midrange.
I got Bg elves right now (including caverns).
But I wanted to invest for a midrange deck to have 2 avaible modern decks.
RG ponza and mardu pyromancer I'm interested the most with. (moderns deadguy ale also, since I played it.. but sold it 2 years ago or so)
what are your thoughts on these decks?
rg ponza i would love to play BBE, but some say its sometimes very dissapointing because of bad variance
pyromancer I dont know if the powerlvl is that fine
deadguy hasnt got a good finisher
own: 1 LtlH, 3 assassins trophy, singletons fetches because edh, souls, IoKs, fatal pushes, the shocklands
nothing so much that it leads drastictly into any direction
rly difficult for me. Aiming for bg rock is a long way for the whole package of LotV, goyf and confidant
any advice would be great guys
If you really enjoy midrange, play mardu pyromancer! i believe you are on the "i would play jund but lilis/tarmo are too expensive" train, so mardu pyromancer is an excellent choice, RG ponza is a great deck, but "can play BBE" is not a good argument for playing it (its more a blood moon deck that deny basic with land destruction)
tron: t3 karn
storm: have baral, resolve gifts ungiven, untap, win
amulet titan: drops lands, win (with some help hehe)
Hardened Scales: affinity on crack...win match 1 and lose 2 & 3 to hate, unless you are a great player
Thanks! Ad Nauseam seems appealing but i wonder if it would get old quickly. What are some pros and cons of ad naus over storm? And would it get old?
both are "age proof" to me, they have been always there (from tier 1 to tier 4). about pro and con...well
Ad nauseam is a+b combo (Ad Nauseam+ either Angel's Grace/Phyrexian Unlife), all the other cards are search for the combo, generate mana to play the combo faster, protect the combo, and go all in. you dont have plan b (well you have Laboratory Maniac), is better against midrange without disruption, other combos, and control, UW control have a hard time against instant combo decks. Burn is a bye.
Storm is more grindy, is slower but resilient, you have better tools against diruption, and if you can cast Gifts Ungiven you probably won.
Both are pretty hard to play, sure G1 is easy, but G2 and G3 need a godly pilot to play against hate.
IMHO If storm is hallow one( grindy Graveyard aggro deck), ad nauseam is Vengevine (all in graveyard aggro deck). I think that there is plenty of disruption right now in modern, and thats why storm is a better choice...today.
I want a new modern deck but i want it to be not a super popular deck but one that is still competitive. Ive got the blue white and green white fetches a long with a couple other ones but not a full playset of those. I have mardu pyro and love it but i want a different archetype. Maybe some sort of combo. Imwilling to play four color too. I cant spend a ton on cards right now. so im in the range of 500-700 usd to spend right now.
No tron
other non midrange deck you could try:
G/R Land Destruction: blood moon+stone rain for their basics!
Eldrazi and Taxes: to be honest this is somewhat like mardu, midrange +disruption, but play different
Four-Color Saheeli: midrange...with combo to keep them honest
https://www.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/articles/brewing-with-gilded-goose-and-oko-in-modern-and-pioneer/?_ga=2.151657968.857770368.1574400019-1383732903.1512614613
https://www.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/articles/5-common-mistakes-players-make-when-piloting-combo-decks/
from that articles simic is a better choice, less "dead" cards.
well the best "fair (ish)" proven deck right now is eldrazi tron, karn+6 mana win you the game (SB=Mycosynth Lattice).
also, more combo than grindy (but have a lot of interaction), mardu death shadow is great right now, with some set up the combo kill is right there (discard or another protection like the new mother of runes+Hex Parasite+Temur Battle Rage ).
Lastly, current mardu pyromancer is dead, but i could see a similar shell, slower with Nahiri, the Harbinger+emrakul.
Again, less "delver" than the current iteration, but with better inevitability (nahiri is a worst but faster jace TMS in this aspect)
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-mono-blue-tron-46461#paper
if you have x1 of all cards, then rest of the deck is pretty cheap.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-izzet-phoenix-63536#paper
mardu pyromancer: not UR, but a lot of interaction and spells
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-mardu-pyromancer-88299#paper
grixis deathshadow: you could find this in any variation (esper, mardu, jund, etc), a lot of interaction.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-grixis-death-s-shadow-46465#paper
grixis delver: IMHO you are playing a bad hybrid of grixis deathshadow and mardu pyromancer
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-grixis-delver-87079#paper
temur arcanist: the most temur delver deck, but the worst deck i posted here
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-temur-arcanist#paper
for example (look at the bottom under Recent Decks Using Unmoored Ego)
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Guilds of Ravnica/Unmoored Ego#online
but honestly, you could just play almost any deck and fit it (ur phoenix splash B, grixis deathshadow, etc)
what about "combo creature decks"? like Hardened Scales, Infect or Devoted Company?
pick your poison!, mainly green +other colors midrange goodstuff decks:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-chromatic-fauna#paper :Knight of the Reliquary+Retreat to Coralhelm
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-eldritch-kiki#paper :Saheeli Rai+ Felidar Guardian
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-temur-vannifar-pod#paper :Prime Speaker Vannifar+anything
https://www.channelfireball.com/home/i-thought-modern-arclight-phoenix-decks-were-a-flash-in-the-pan-i-was-wrong/?_ga=2.161746809.412362529.1544451310-699078655.1510146774
Deck is real, meta will adapt and numbers in top 8 will drop, but is a good deck.
to be honest UR wizards is still a thing (a tier 3 that can make a top8 at any time), at the end is just a delver/burn deck.
i like saheeli, but lets be honest, mardu pyromancer is the winner here. And while i firmly believe that mastering a deck is important in modern, having played in standard against a totally (subpar?) different meta is not relevant experience IMHO. its a totally different experience playing a mirror saheeli in standard that knowing how to play against humans or KCI in modern.
Ad Nauseum is the best creatureless combo deck in modern (and i would say it was the best combo deck until storm got new toys, like baral)
for tier 3 combo (to me land belcher is no tier since i dont think have put any real result in tournament) i like Jeskai Ascendancy combo because i love palying Glittering Wish in combo. Other than that, there are several tier 3 decks that are build around a card ( Soulflayer, Kiln Fiend infect like, Saheeli/cat like twin...etc).
pd: i forgot seismic swans! pretty funny deck IMHO
If you really enjoy midrange, play mardu pyromancer! i believe you are on the "i would play jund but lilis/tarmo are too expensive" train, so mardu pyromancer is an excellent choice, RG ponza is a great deck, but "can play BBE" is not a good argument for playing it (its more a blood moon deck that deny basic with land destruction)
storm: have baral, resolve gifts ungiven, untap, win
amulet titan: drops lands, win (with some help hehe)
Hardened Scales: affinity on crack...win match 1 and lose 2 & 3 to hate, unless you are a great player
IMHO jeskai (the build with geist, snap+bolt)for reference:
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=14429&writer=Craig Wescoe&articledate=2-2-2018
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-jeskai-control-40120#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-jeskai-tempo-60112#paper
both are "age proof" to me, they have been always there (from tier 1 to tier 4). about pro and con...well
Ad nauseam is a+b combo (Ad Nauseam+ either Angel's Grace/Phyrexian Unlife), all the other cards are search for the combo, generate mana to play the combo faster, protect the combo, and go all in. you dont have plan b (well you have Laboratory Maniac), is better against midrange without disruption, other combos, and control, UW control have a hard time against instant combo decks. Burn is a bye.
Storm is more grindy, is slower but resilient, you have better tools against diruption, and if you can cast Gifts Ungiven you probably won.
Both are pretty hard to play, sure G1 is easy, but G2 and G3 need a godly pilot to play against hate.
IMHO If storm is hallow one( grindy Graveyard aggro deck), ad nauseam is Vengevine (all in graveyard aggro deck). I think that there is plenty of disruption right now in modern, and thats why storm is a better choice...today.
for more info look at the premier here
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/combo/564710-ur-storm
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/combo/221735-ad-nauseam
tron! just kidding
what combo deck do you like?
look at https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern/full#paper for what is within your budget, from the top of my mind:
storm/amulet titan: grindy combo
Titan shift: ramp/combo
ad nauseam: a+b combo
other non midrange deck you could try:
G/R Land Destruction: blood moon+stone rain for their basics!
Eldrazi and Taxes: to be honest this is somewhat like mardu, midrange +disruption, but play different
Four-Color Saheeli: midrange...with combo to keep them honest