I feel it brotha. My preference is moving av to sb. Speaking of Bushwhacker.. my friend t1 land, exile ssg, manamorphose, manamorphose, burning tree, burning tree, burning tree, bushwhacker, swing, go. On my turn I played a land and thought scoured -_-
TBH, I definitely prefer 21-22 lands and 2-4 cryptics in my list in whatever meta. My record has improved so much since I switched. I don't keep track, but I post here my results and I feel like 90% of them I'm top 3. So going off that alone, I do recommend the switch haha. Delver and ancestral both shine in different match ups. I think it's up to you at that point which one to mb. I actually really like the list paradox suggested with the the 3/3/3/3 split. It's very balanced. The ONLY thing I'm ehh about is cutting a Scour, just because I'm a huge fan of 2/1 tas fish split.
@9tailz: I would be interested in your full list. Mind sharing it? Congrats on your record btw
Hey my bad for late reply. If you can't wait and wanna check out my lists, they are on previous pages! They are all fairly similar. I ran paradox' suggested list last time, which ran 3 Scour, 3 delver and 3 ancestral. I personally might make the switch back to moving ancestral to sb. I will update this post in a bit with the most recent list!
I was thinking about the pros and cons of running MB Delver and AV, and was kind of put off by the fact that there's a lot of Tron and other rampy decks at my LGS. But the more I think about it, I wonder if that's actually an OK time to run AV. You generally win by 1) landing an early threat, and then 2) having more answers than they have threats. I feel like the deferred payoff of AV is a big mark against it since you need to keep yourself stable until turn 5 at earliest to get anything out of it, but refilling after leaking/squalling/maybe cryptic-ing their first few threats may make up for it.
@9tailz: I would be interested in your full list. Mind sharing it? Congrats on your record btw
Hey my bad for late reply. If you can't wait and wanna check out my lists, they are on previous pages! They are all fairly similar. I ran paradox' suggested list last time, which ran 3 Scour, 3 delver and 3 ancestral. I personally might make the switch back to moving ancestral to sb. I will update this post in a bit with the most recent list!
I was thinking about the pros and cons of running MB Delver and AV, and was kind of put off by the fact that there's a lot of Tron and other rampy decks at my LGS. But the more I think about it, I wonder if that's actually an OK time to run AV. You generally win by 1) landing an early threat, and then 2) having more answers than they have threats. I feel like the deferred payoff of AV is a big mark against it since you need to keep yourself stable until turn 5 at earliest to get anything out of it, but refilling after leaking/squalling/maybe cryptic-ing their first few threats may make up for it.
Thoughts?
So I was actually gonna say, I might be the only one who does this, but I keep delvers in and bring in ancestral against tron. I've had both in my opener, and I usually drop delver first. It's been great so far.
@9tailz: I would be interested in your full list. Mind sharing it? Congrats on your record btw
Hey my bad for late reply. If you can't wait and wanna check out my lists, they are on previous pages! They are all fairly similar. I ran paradox' suggested list last time, which ran 3 Scour, 3 delver and 3 ancestral. I personally might make the switch back to moving ancestral to sb. I will update this post in a bit with the most recent list!
Went 4-1 tonight taking 3rd... Losing to bant eldrazi g3 due to screw...
I played the 3 scour 3 ancestral 3 delver list, and it was great.
Beat taking turns, burn, eldrazi tron and goryo.
I got a chance to test kalitas in burn. Casted him at 7 life, tapped out and opponent had one card in hand. Could have been boros and draw a burn spell, but he didn't and you can imagine kalitas took over. Pretty high risk high reward in that matchup. Unless they have the path then its just bad. lol.
I'm not too worried about it. I often side anger and damnation and don't have enough problems casting them to cut either. She's still on the to test list haha.
Tried the cryptic delver lisr (3-1 AV MB split). Went 3-1 beating tron handily, squeaking a game against melira coco and racing dredge. Dropped a game to fish. Interesting list for sure!
Awesome. Wait.. 3/1 split AV and what? Also, damn you fish! I think they are my arch nemesis.
Some guy made in trial winning , good list overall.
That was actually me, debating if i should actually write a report for it. I only lurk this forum, but if you want to talk list just pm me on reddit jon_cli.
At least most of us would love a report! Congrats brotha
Hello I'm back to playing delver it's been about a year and googled a good article etc showing you how to board etc I couldn't find any can someone help me here please
I mean yeah, I run 2/2 split of land hate, because I have a lot of big mana decks at my lgs. Ultimately it's meta call, but honestly we have a rough big mana match up and 4 sb slots is what I chose to combat them. In an open environment, I might run 2 mage, 1 Crumble and add back surgical or something, which I only run 1 of due to lack of gy based decks where I play. There are 2 regular Goryo players, but surgical is icing with the amount of counters in that mu.
You're not asking me, but i'm gonna reply anyway lol. Crumble is one and done. With 21+ lands hitting 4 is easy. IMO it's better to split land hate with fmage and crumble, due to variety. They can't warping wail fmage, and kommand fmage is nasty. Crumble is just plain nasty, and i've been in snap crumble situations plenty.
Also, how can you say good changes to removing creepys lol creepy is an all star... (can you tell I love creepy)
You're where I was when I originally put cryptic delver together on page 115 in this thread. 21 lands and 3 cryptics. Haha. Not disagreeing with going to 21 lands, and I rarely had a problem with mana base, but I eventually went back to 22, because i'm of the mentality that we are grixis control, with the ability to go aggressive. That means I absolutely want to hit land drops. I strongly disagree with removing creepys. Can't tell you how many games where I bolt, untap, tas, angler and creepy swung for the win. You'll probably be in a ton of situations where you wish you had that last 3 points. Obviously test anyway, but I've been testing different versions of this cryptic delver build for over a month, and creepy will never get cut! Never! If you read back, you'll see I mention multiple times that creepy was the MVP of that night, and the deck should be called grixis creeping tar pit. haha. Since going slightly lower in your list, do you think 2 cryptic and 3 mana leak would be better?
Also not sure about the racing plan vs fish. I'm convinced to side out delvers in that match up and even bring in ancestral. But wth do I know about this match up, I lose to them regularly
Went 4-1 taking 1st due to tie breakers tonight with cryptic delver. Lost to fish.
Beat mono w taxes, jeskai nahiri, bogles, and burn.
Nice finish! Care to share any impressions of how the list worked?
It's been solid. I've been on the list for quite a while haha. It's basically grixis control with t1 delvers lol.
Round 1 vs mono w taxes 2-1
Game 1 arbiter ghost quarter, etc etc.
Game 2 and 3 I got there with snapcaster beats and resolving ancestral.
Round 2 vs bogles 2-1
Thought he was on affinity. Kept a hand with bolt, bolt, terminate, push, land, land, scour.
Big bogle kills me.
Game 2 and 3 won on the back of snapcaster cryptic lock.
Round 3 vs jeskai nahiri 2-0
Played against a good player, but he was just playing our friends deck, so he wasn't super familiar with it.
He kept a 1 lander with 2 visions and 2 ancestral, and scried 2 lands to the top. I scoured them away for him, and he was dead before the 2nd vision could fire off.
Round 4 vs burn 2-0
Game 1 I won with 1 life pretty common.
Game 2 wasn't close.
Round 5 vs fish (coco) 1-2
I notoriously have a hard time vs fish.
I really wish I could watch this game on a replay so I could see what different lines I could have taken.
So I was actually gonna say, I might be the only one who does this, but I keep delvers in and bring in ancestral against tron. I've had both in my opener, and I usually drop delver first. It's been great so far.
Hey my bad for late reply. If you can't wait and wanna check out my lists, they are on previous pages! They are all fairly similar. I ran paradox' suggested list last time, which ran 3 Scour, 3 delver and 3 ancestral. I personally might make the switch back to moving ancestral to sb. I will update this post in a bit with the most recent list!
I played the 3 scour 3 ancestral 3 delver list, and it was great.
Beat taking turns, burn, eldrazi tron and goryo.
I got a chance to test kalitas in burn. Casted him at 7 life, tapped out and opponent had one card in hand. Could have been boros and draw a burn spell, but he didn't and you can imagine kalitas took over. Pretty high risk high reward in that matchup. Unless they have the path then its just bad. lol.
I like it! I think ima try a similar list tomorrow and report.
Awesome. Wait.. 3/1 split AV and what? Also, damn you fish! I think they are my arch nemesis.
I don't know what i'm doing wrong with the merfolk match up. lol.
Beat ponza, abzan, and zoo. Also of note, beat 2 thruns
At least most of us would love a report! Congrats brotha
I feel like you didn't google hard enough
I'll start you off...
http://modernnexus.com/grixis-delver-sideboard-guide/
http://modernnexus.com/scg-indianapolis-tournament-report-grixis-delver/
http://articles.kirwansgamestore.com/2017/02/constructed-accumulated-knowledge-grixis-delver-ep-01/
Read back a few pages here also. Enjoy.
You're not asking me, but i'm gonna reply anyway lol. Crumble is one and done. With 21+ lands hitting 4 is easy. IMO it's better to split land hate with fmage and crumble, due to variety. They can't warping wail fmage, and kommand fmage is nasty. Crumble is just plain nasty, and i've been in snap crumble situations plenty.
Also, how can you say good changes to removing creepys
You're where I was when I originally put cryptic delver together on page 115 in this thread. 21 lands and 3 cryptics. Haha. Not disagreeing with going to 21 lands, and I rarely had a problem with mana base, but I eventually went back to 22, because i'm of the mentality that we are grixis control, with the ability to go aggressive. That means I absolutely want to hit land drops. I strongly disagree with removing creepys. Can't tell you how many games where I bolt, untap, tas, angler and creepy swung for the win. You'll probably be in a ton of situations where you wish you had that last 3 points. Obviously test anyway, but I've been testing different versions of this cryptic delver build for over a month, and creepy will never get cut! Never! If you read back, you'll see I mention multiple times that creepy was the MVP of that night, and the deck should be called grixis creeping tar pit. haha. Since going slightly lower in your list, do you think 2 cryptic and 3 mana leak would be better?
Also not sure about the racing plan vs fish. I'm convinced to side out delvers in that match up and even bring in ancestral. But wth do I know about this match up, I lose to them regularly
It's been solid. I've been on the list for quite a while haha. It's basically grixis control with t1 delvers lol.
Round 1 vs mono w taxes 2-1
Game 1 arbiter ghost quarter, etc etc.
Game 2 and 3 I got there with snapcaster beats and resolving ancestral.
Round 2 vs bogles 2-1
Thought he was on affinity. Kept a hand with bolt, bolt, terminate, push, land, land, scour.
Big bogle kills me.
Game 2 and 3 won on the back of snapcaster cryptic lock.
Round 3 vs jeskai nahiri 2-0
Played against a good player, but he was just playing our friends deck, so he wasn't super familiar with it.
He kept a 1 lander with 2 visions and 2 ancestral, and scried 2 lands to the top. I scoured them away for him, and he was dead before the 2nd vision could fire off.
Round 4 vs burn 2-0
Game 1 I won with 1 life pretty common.
Game 2 wasn't close.
Round 5 vs fish (coco) 1-2
I notoriously have a hard time vs fish.
I really wish I could watch this game on a replay so I could see what different lines I could have taken.