hi! anyone here still with the deck? what's your wishlist for MH2? hopefully we get putrid imp, I also think of careful study but this will be a big change for the deck and I don't have any blue shocks or fetch atm
it would be hard to squeeze a few number of green cards to support force of vigor in the glimpse/chill build, i think even an additional 4-green cards won't help much in casting force of vigor for free.
the build that can better support force of vigor would be the brutality build, lotleth troll / satyr wayfinder and if you want you can also swap gurmag angler for hooting mandrills for extra green support, it's still big and has evasion, this won't affect much of gravecrawler zombie requirement since we have plentiful of zombie creature, the only downside for this build is it's slower than the glimpse build, if we don't get an explosive turn-1 then it really is too slow. if only we can have stitcher's supplier 5-8 to have more T1 plays that can jumpstart our graveyard.
the deck is really fun to play and works pretty well now that graveyard hate is on the low.
for now i'm playtesting the glimpse/chill version, i plan to straight swap memory sluice with merfolk secretkeeper.
new list popping out from 5-0 results are now using haunted dead. i try to avoid lotleth troll here to simplify the manabase, the deck already hurts due to the fetches to trigger hedron crab, yes the deck has creeping chill but it still really hurts.
It is a dangerous game to pitch cards that way, but I have dabbled in this thought experiment before.
And another card to consider if this is a gameplan being considered: Bone Picker.
(Another card worth considering in a build like that is Wild Cantor. Like an X=0 creature, it acts as a 'dark ritual' of sorts to power out Bone Picker. It also does the color fixing, getting us into black mana even off a basic forest or mountain. And it does a lot of the above things too - it can be effectively-zero-cost creature 1 of a two-creature turn to recur Vengevine).
someone mentioned wild cantor and bone picker in the RG thread and i like the idea of it to apply to BR color, BR has insolent neonate and carrion feeder to help discount bone picker.
there are 2 sultai builds that consistently present in the mtgo 5-0 league results.
1 is a build with "glimpse and creeping chill" and the other build is with "collective brutality no chill". both this build has hedron crab in it.
i'm excited as well to try the new ELD cards, i'm looking specifically at merchant of the vale, thrill of possibility and stonecoil serpent, but i plan to try them in my RG vengevine which is a different deck. i plan to share my list in the RG vengevine thread once all ELD cards are revealed.
Edit: ok, i was quick to judge this list the first time i saw it without actually testing it. today i jammed a few games on xmage and i fell in love with it instantly! this is so fun to play!
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Blooming Marsh
3 Overgrown Tomb
3 Swamp
2 Nurturing Peatland
1 Forest
4 Stitcher's Supplier
4 Gravecrawler
4 Vengevine
4 Hooting Mandrills
4 Bloodghast
3 Carrion Feeder
3 Lotleth Troll
1 Extractor Demon
4 Memory Sluice
4 Grisly Salvage
4 Collective Brutality
1 Driven // Despair
article: https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/once-upon-a-vine-in-modern/
video: https://youtu.be/ccr22CfUX0Q
the build that can better support force of vigor would be the brutality build, lotleth troll / satyr wayfinder and if you want you can also swap gurmag angler for hooting mandrills for extra green support, it's still big and has evasion, this won't affect much of gravecrawler zombie requirement since we have plentiful of zombie creature, the only downside for this build is it's slower than the glimpse build, if we don't get an explosive turn-1 then it really is too slow. if only we can have stitcher's supplier 5-8 to have more T1 plays that can jumpstart our graveyard.
i'm also looking for discord or any article about this but only found this which talked about it a little.
https://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=15468
https://www.modernnexus.com/september-brew-report-pt-1-reading-runes/
for now i'm playtesting the glimpse/chill version, i plan to straight swap memory sluice with merfolk secretkeeper.
new list popping out from 5-0 results are now using haunted dead. i try to avoid lotleth troll here to simplify the manabase, the deck already hurts due to the fetches to trigger hedron crab, yes the deck has creeping chill but it still really hurts.
sultai vengevine did a great showing again in modern challenge at 9th position.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-challenge-2019-09-22#schnabulant_th_place
there's also another sultai copy in that top32, result speaks for itself along with it's consistent 5-0 league.
looting is the primary reason to play red and now it's gone and players already finding success adapting sultai.
Creeping Chill Build: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-league-2019-09-20#losilla_-
Collective Brutality Build: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-league-2019-09-20#papepipo_-
Here are also past mtgo 5-0 league results since the ban of looting, each of which has a dredgevine list in it.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-league-2019-09-03
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-league-2019-09-06
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-league-2019-09-10
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-league-2019-09-13
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-league-2019-09-17
1 is a build with "glimpse and creeping chill" and the other build is with "collective brutality no chill". both this build has hedron crab in it.
ok, i'll take back what i've said here. a BUG Vengevine list made 10th place in MTGO Modern PTQ event (8-1).
there's something going on here, it still doesn't have a discard engine but will definitely give it a try.
Decklist: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-ptq-2019-09-09#darthnius_th_place
Edit: ok, i was quick to judge this list the first time i saw it without actually testing it. today i jammed a few games on xmage and i fell in love with it instantly! this is so fun to play!