I do like caverns in a creature heavy build because it smoothed out the mana and also beats ceremonious rejection which is becoming not popular and cryptic command which can be backbreaking.
Against the go wide creature decks we can play ratchet bomb,EE, flaying tendrils, zealous persecution. Damnation is too slow against these decks. In addition is is weak to Eldrazi tron due to TKS. Most GBx decks are no longer played nf damnations because of this.
Against control the best cards are Thoughtseize, Eldrazi displacer (draw step blink), Lilliana the Veil
Against big mana I think our disruption is key. I am honestly ok conceding those matchups because I think fulminator is terrible against e tron. It was much better with surgicals when tron was rg.
Good points about Kalitas. It's amazing against elves, Merfolk and even good against arcbound ravager. Problem with kalitas is that we play too many exile effects to really take advantage of it. In addition it's great with dark confidant in GBx when you will usually have some sort of removal in hand.
It seems like planeswalkers are a problems but the reality smasher really helps. I do like castout because it is versatile. With the mana being shaky cast out seems better than anguished unmaking and o ring.
What do you like surgical extraction against. Most top players have been trashing the card. Saying it's negative card advantage and often a dead card.
I love Gideon but it definitely did seem win more. Reality smasher really does allow us to come from behind. Also great against tokens which are problems for most midrange decks
What are thoughts on only playing 3 souls in a build with smasher and Eldrazi displacer? Displacer allows you to grind and has a bigger upside than souls.
In addition has anyone been testing Gideon in a smasher build?
Ob Nix seems interesting. What have your results been with this? How does it compare to Sorin, Gideon, elspeth knight errant?
Destroying any creature seems good in a meta full of reality smasher, enbringer, tasigur, gurmag angler, deaths shadow. I also love it's card advantage engine and it's ultimate.
It seems like people are torn on the two different builds.
The one with reality smasher is a midrange deck that wants to curve out with turn 1 discard/relic, turn 2 collective brutality/tide hollow/strangler/displacer/TKS, turn 3 TKS/Strangler/reality smasher/lingering souls turn 4 reality smasher
Iguanas list is a control deck and plays a similar strategy but they are also ok sitting back and waiting for the right time to ply blight herder and Sorin to finish the game off. Lingering souls is also much stronger in this version.
Wouldn't it make sense to make the mid range version with reality smasher a little more linear and aggressive. Lingering souls is a nice card that gives you some flexibility that is good against control, BGX and also allows you to gain some evasion. We already play smasher so we have evasion that the control version lacks. Has anyone tested replacing the lingering souls with matter reshaper? This card is amazing against BGx decks and also gives us card advantage like souls. It would also increase our chances of landing a turn 2 beater that opponents hate to use removal on. All of the disruption that we play would make reshaper and smasher both very difficult to deal with.
Has anyone tested removing souls for matter reshaper? We can create a very disruptive deck that also curves out and is aggro with reshaper instead of souls. I'm just wondering if it's any good.
It seems like people are torn on the two different builds.
The one with reality smasher is a midrange deck that wants to curve out with turn 1 discard/relic, turn 2 collective brutality/tide hollow/strangler/displacer/TKS, turn 3 TKS/Strangler/reality smasher/lingering souls turn 4 reality smasher
Iguanas list is a control deck and plays a similar strategy but they are also ok sitting back and waiting for the right time to ply blight herder and Sorin to finish the game off. Lingering souls is also much stronger in this version.
Wouldn't it make sense to make the mid range version with reality smasher a little more linear and aggressive. Lingering souls is a nice card that gives you some flexibility that is good against control, BGX and also allows you to gain some evasion. We already play smasher so we have evasion that the control version lacks. Has anyone tested replacing the lingering souls with matter reshaper? This card is amazing against BGx decks and also gives us card advantage like souls. It would also increase our chances of landing a turn 2 beater that opponents hate to use removal on. All of the disruption that we play would make reshaper and smasher both very difficult to deal with.
The problem with Eldrazi and taxes is that the mana is attoricous compared to mono white and Gw D&T.
Joh Sohs deck not running the vials makes it even worse. I love his deck but I am still trying to figure out a manabase that works with the deck. The way it currently is constructed is not consistent at all.
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I do like caverns in a creature heavy build because it smoothed out the mana and also beats ceremonious rejection which is becoming not popular and cryptic command which can be backbreaking.
Against the go wide creature decks we can play ratchet bomb,EE, flaying tendrils, zealous persecution. Damnation is too slow against these decks. In addition is is weak to Eldrazi tron due to TKS. Most GBx decks are no longer played nf damnations because of this.
Against control the best cards are Thoughtseize, Eldrazi displacer (draw step blink), Lilliana the Veil
Against big mana I think our disruption is key. I am honestly ok conceding those matchups because I think fulminator is terrible against e tron. It was much better with surgicals when tron was rg.
Good points about Kalitas. It's amazing against elves, Merfolk and even good against arcbound ravager. Problem with kalitas is that we play too many exile effects to really take advantage of it. In addition it's great with dark confidant in GBx when you will usually have some sort of removal in hand.
It seems like planeswalkers are a problems but the reality smasher really helps. I do like castout because it is versatile. With the mana being shaky cast out seems better than anguished unmaking and o ring.
What do you like surgical extraction against. Most top players have been trashing the card. Saying it's negative card advantage and often a dead card.
Maybe matter reshapers are the way to go.
Have you ever tried out eternal scourge?
Knight of glory seems interesting. Has anyone tested this?
Reality smashers with exalted sound really good to me.
I guess we have to analyze what our weakest matchups are.
From my experience I would say big mana decks such as tron, etron, scapeshift are really bad matchups.
I also find elves to be a somewhat difficult matchup
Reality smashers make matchups against planeswalkers and tokens easier.
Easy matchups are GBx midrange, burn, snapcaster decks.
Its easy to get caught up in win more cards and not focus on cards that improve your weakness.
With that in mind. What do you think?
Smugglers copter also goes really well with tidehollow sculler and mutavaults. If we could get the mana correct I think we are really onto something.
I think your mana is the best for getting sculler on turn 2. Do you think it's too greedy going down 2 caverns for 2 mutavaults?
In addition, I agree on going up to 4 smashers.
Squeezing in 2 smugglers copters could be really strong. It has great synergy with lingering souls and will help with your dead top decks.
How did you feel about your sideboard? I love mirran crusader but is it really needed in this deck?
As stated before someone was bought Gideon was win more. Would Sorin be more powerful?
Are the additional RIP's needed? Would graffdiggers cage be more versatile?
Also how about ratchet bomb, Lilliana last hope, flaying tendrils to kills tokens and go wide strategies?
The best mana so far has been playing 4 cavern of souls. I would still love to find a way to squeeze in some mutavaults.
I have been having success with this exact manabase.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/670977#paper
What are thoughts on only playing 3 souls in a build with smasher and Eldrazi displacer? Displacer allows you to grind and has a bigger upside than souls.
In addition has anyone been testing Gideon in a smasher build?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/678004#paper
This deck went 7-1 in modern ptq.
The reality smasher lists seems to be having the most success. Anyone else been playing similar lists? Trying to figure out the optimal lands package.
Ob Nix seems interesting. What have your results been with this? How does it compare to Sorin, Gideon, elspeth knight errant?
Destroying any creature seems good in a meta full of reality smasher, enbringer, tasigur, gurmag angler, deaths shadow. I also love it's card advantage engine and it's ultimate.
Another successful list here
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/672723#paper
Has anyone tested removing souls for matter reshaper? We can create a very disruptive deck that also curves out and is aggro with reshaper instead of souls. I'm just wondering if it's any good.
Why don't you play 4 caverns like the 10th place deck did. It also makes it much easier to play scullers on curve.
The one with reality smasher is a midrange deck that wants to curve out with turn 1 discard/relic, turn 2 collective brutality/tide hollow/strangler/displacer/TKS, turn 3 TKS/Strangler/reality smasher/lingering souls turn 4 reality smasher
Mid range versions
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/670977#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/658263#paper
Iguanas list is a control deck and plays a similar strategy but they are also ok sitting back and waiting for the right time to ply blight herder and Sorin to finish the game off. Lingering souls is also much stronger in this version.
Control versions
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/670985#paper
Wouldn't it make sense to make the mid range version with reality smasher a little more linear and aggressive. Lingering souls is a nice card that gives you some flexibility that is good against control, BGX and also allows you to gain some evasion. We already play smasher so we have evasion that the control version lacks. Has anyone tested replacing the lingering souls with matter reshaper? This card is amazing against BGx decks and also gives us card advantage like souls. It would also increase our chances of landing a turn 2 beater that opponents hate to use removal on. All of the disruption that we play would make reshaper and smasher both very difficult to deal with.
Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.
The 10th place list had Knight of Glory in the SB which was really interesting.
Both were different. One was closer to Joe Sohs list and the other was close to ride the Iguanas list.
Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.
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Joh Sohs deck not running the vials makes it even worse. I love his deck but I am still trying to figure out a manabase that works with the deck. The way it currently is constructed is not consistent at all.