MTG Salvation

While Legacy is fun, this is not the place to discuss it. If you would like to talk about Legacy, you can do so here. For the sake of this thread being in the Modern subforum, let's keep discussion on Modern.

@redsummers I bought into Skred Red as a meta choice.
@DHamlin Bant Eldrazi is probably the best midrange deck in the format. It just over the top so quickly and we cannot keep up.

I think we should use this discussion to prove a point: we are too afraid of changing our core to adapt. I have said it MULTIPLE times and it seems to get either ignored or shot down. We have to adapt to survive in our metagame, and I've noticed that anyone running something even slightly untraditional gets shot down for it. I actually sold my BB's and Aurioks to build something that will win and now I'm slowly putting this back together with my winnings. We aren't doing much to change our deck, now we're being punished for it. Maybe I'm reading too much into this (I have a tendency to overthink a lot of things), but we aren't going anywhere as an archetype.

The issue is that it's four mana, and it's only good against Ad Nauseum because naming Scapeshift doesn't get rid of Valakut. It might just be a tad too slow.

I don't think it should be a four of. If we draw it as our fourth land we lose tempo. I think it's a three of at best.

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Jiachen Tao is playing BW Tokens in the World Championships with 4 (!!!) LotV. The deck tech is on YouTube. I can't link it because I am currently on mobile.

I wouldn't really call it BW Tokens, at least in the usual sense. It's more like BW Midrange with some token tech (Blossom/Virtue) added in. Definitely more token like than we see often though for sure.

Additionally on the Collective Brutality topic, I ran it last night as a 1-1 split at FNM. Went 2-2 beating Company (2-0) and GB Elves (2-0), it was very useful in both of those matchups, as well as vs mono white Quest for the Holy Relic despite losing (0-2) to that. Round 4 was vs RG Tron which went pretty much as usual but did win game 2.

Honestly, his deck is literally just BW Tokens that cut Spectral for Lilis. That's just a different take on Tokens, and the lists that do well on MTGO have been mainboarding Spellskites since Eldrazi Winter. I've brought it up but I feel like we aren't willing to change, which is why we aren't really moving as an archetype.

He's also only running 8 generators. I never really enjoyed Lili but it seems like a good way to keep your opponent in check.

Jiachen Tao is playing BW Tokens in the World Championships with 4 (!!!) LotV. The deck tech is on YouTube. I can't link it because I am currently on mobile.

@DHamlin I scoured MTGGoldfish for the list and it didn't make top 32 or 64 (they didn't post the 64 for two of them anywhere) but I am aware that one of them was main boarding Elspeth, Sun's Champion. This is another mark in a trend that I've been seeing as of late that should be addressed.

All of the BW Tokens lists that have come out of major events with an exceptional record have been running rogue cards. Some run creatures main and others run a bigger top end. I think we should hedge into one of those directions. It's become apparent that the philosophy of making our opponent's removal bad isn't working because they just don't care. Perhaps it's time to make a change?

KikiChord and other big mana decks are generally bad matchups. For KikiChord, you really want Grafdigger's Cage. Stain the Mind can kill the combo, but don't count that as a win: they can accomplish the beatdown play quite handily.

My meta is very much like a competitive REL's: all tier one stuff, nothing near fringe. I'll post my list when I have a chance today.

Yet another crushing defeat last night. I might need a change of pace for a while but my match win percentage has lurked below 50% for far too long. I don't realky know what's happening. How I think at the table and how I think in life are very different. I'm usually very analytical and a deep thinker, but at FNM it's like my mind moves too quickly. I need to slow down my play, but any advice for a teen who can't see results with this deck and has been playing it for almost a year?

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Collective Brutality is really good only if you can make discarding into an advantage. Lingering Souls is about the only thing that can be discarded semi-profitably. Late game, discarding extra lands doesn't suck too badly, so one could get away with a copy of Collective Brutality but this doesn't really seem to be the place for it.

He runs it as a singleton. It really helps relieve pressure because we don't have Bitterblossom. It kind of is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. Maybe the utility is what makes it fine? I'm going to try it because it seems like it's worth it.

One of the posters on the budget primer has been testing Collective Brutality, and is pretty hellbent on its inclusion. He is usually pretty good at identifying new tech, and says it's great against the aggro matchups. I believe our budget brother may be on to something. Thoughts?

I don't think the Dredge matchup is very even. Dredge decks naturally beat up on fair decks, and we might be one of the fairest decks in the format. I got rolled by it and I never felt like I was in the running.