All the top-32 of GP Los Angeles are solid decks. GP Charlotte... I'm lost. Especially Ad-Nauseam. How often does it win before turn 4?
Very rarely. You can do it with a turn two Prism into a turn three land, SSG, Grace and Ad Nauseam, but that's a four card combo. There are a few other lines that get there too, but again, they are very rare. In the vast majority of games, it's a non-interactive turn four deck. It had spectacular positioning going into the event and I am happy one of its pilots went all the way.
Until Jund, Midrange or other goodstuff deck wins a post-ban era GP, i think you just have to go with super aggro, combo or Tron.
This is a really bizarre statement given how well Jund has done in the 1.5 months up until this event, and in Jund sending two pilots to the Top 8 of Charlotte.
I feel like a lot of Tron haters want a deck that just has good matchups across the format. They want to beat aggro and combo, they want to have decent 50-50 fair matchups, and they don't want to lose to big mana decks. Am I missing something? Because it sounds like many just want a best deck like Twin they can turn to, despite there being numerous viable options that are not just "best decks."
Woah, wait there.
I never said Jund was a bad deck.
Let´s wait until the end of the GP´s. But i will be really surprised to see Jund win any of these.
It is just very hard to have answers to everything. This is why controlish decks like Jeskai and Jund are very good when you can metagame correctly.
I think it would be great for the format to have Jund winning the GP, i just dont see it.
When the GP ends, we can talk again and you can tell me if im very wrong, wrong or right?)
I'm not alleging you said Jund was bad. I'm responding to your claim that "you just have to go with super aggro, combo, or Tron." Jund is clearly good enough for many players who aren't just audibling to super aggro, combo, or Tron. You don't "have to go with" those decks. You can play Jund and you can be just as successful.
I wouldn't necessarily bet on Jund winning Charlotte, but that doesn't matter. Just sending two pilots to the T8 is a big feat and shows the deck is viable. It even sent one to LA.
Los Angeles T8 is also up:
Merfolk
Abzan Company
Jund
Affinity
RG Tron
Affinity
Grixis Control/Midrange
Bant Eldrazi
Very exciting finals! Looks like too many players ditched too much Affinity hate this time.
Until Jund, Midrange or other goodstuff deck wins a post-ban era GP, i think you just have to go with super aggro, combo or Tron.
This is a really bizarre statement given how well Jund has done in the 1.5 months up until this event, and in Jund sending two pilots to the Top 8 of Charlotte.
I feel like a lot of Tron haters want a deck that just has good matchups across the format. They want to beat aggro and combo, they want to have decent 50-50 fair matchups, and they don't want to lose to big mana decks. Am I missing something? Because it sounds like many just want a best deck like Twin they can turn to, despite there being numerous viable options that are not just "best decks."
I lost today in a big tourney at my LGS against Tron playing Jund myself.
Game 1, Turn 4 Newlamog gg.
Game 2, Fulminate his land on turn 3, he goes and gets the piece again, World Breaker, Thragtusk, gg x2.
Talking about lopsided matchups......
Tron: working as intended. But I agree it's frustrating to lose to this deck if you are playing one of the strategies which Tron is designed to beat up.
Jeskai getting mileage out of those Negates, Leaks, and Paths to grind out the win against Tron. Crumble makes a showing too and Clique seals the game.
That was crushing to see Francis almost come back after mulling to 6, snapping off that Quarter with active Nahiri. But then the topdecked Tower was a bummer. Onward to game 2!
Unrelated - Affinity at 10% of LA and the top deck at GP Charlotte is very surprising to me. I guess people shipped away too much SB hate.
May I quote you?
"Never, ever bet against Affinity"
-Source, one of your metagame related updates
People realized, that Thopter + Sword sucks balls atm (especially in the shells they saw play till now), hence, less hate, friendlier meta for Affinity.
Betting against Affinity was the right thing to do for the last 1.5 months. Maybe the rule needs to be "Never, ever bet against Affinity at GPs."
I agree that women being visible in a game filled with nerdy men is nice, but it still doesn't mean she gets the thumbs up from me, just because of her being a female. I'm being less sexist saying I don't think she's very good as a commentator than saying, "she's a girl! It's great! it's fine!"
She needs to work on learning modern better, maybe giving better insight into modern, not just clinging to every word LSV says. I'm not trying to be rude, but in these Keep or Mulls, I could care less what she thinks, I don't think she's a good player from what I've heard.
Unfortunately, it might be hard to find women who have an LSV level of knowledge about Magic and Modern. I'm willing to endure a bit of bad commentary for a while if Gaby can help raise the bar across the board for the future. She was also better this weekend than the last time I saw her on stream, which suggests the kind of gradual improvement we'd want to see.
LSV is good, but Gabby Spartz is awful, she just sounds like a little girl idolizing her father, and she just tosses softball questions and scenario's to LSV. I wish Cedric and Sullivan could do all the commentary
Positive: women being more visible in Magic. It can be offputting for segments of the community to have so many adult white males in coverage roles. Also, newer and younger blood in coverage is good for long-term Magic growth.
Negative: she doesn't really know Modern. She knows it more than, say, the average Reddit user, but she can't provide the kind of expert insight I'd want to see from commentators. She's also made some pretty odd analyses of board states and deck choices.
I think the positives outweigh the negatives, but I'd like to see the negatives improve.
Unrelated - Affinity at 10% of LA and the top deck at GP Charlotte is very surprising to me. I guess people shipped away too much SB hate.
Tuning in to a sweet Blue Moon vs. Abzan Company match. Just learned that Blue Moon won the first match after Company got 1 billion life. Rietzl, on Moon, just answered all Company's threats en route to milling out the Abzan player.
favourite includes for me - Taking Turns (hilarious), Mill (unexpected), Eldrazi (good to see the deck existing without being a problem), Tron (a nostalgic favourite of mine even when it's unplayable) and Merfolk (always happy to see this deck do well)
Calling Tron "unplayable" is some combination of misleading, inaccurate, and/or disingenuous, at least if you are referring to RG Tron with regard to Eye's banning. RG Tron is totally viable.
Mono U Tron ties it up 1-1 off of a Chalice at one and a Chalice at two.
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Very rarely. You can do it with a turn two Prism into a turn three land, SSG, Grace and Ad Nauseam, but that's a four card combo. There are a few other lines that get there too, but again, they are very rare. In the vast majority of games, it's a non-interactive turn four deck. It had spectacular positioning going into the event and I am happy one of its pilots went all the way.
Go away.
I wish we could watch the GP Charlotte finals. We saw Ad Nauseam get totally wrecked by Jund at LA, and I'd love to see a rematch.
EDIT: Except it looks like Naya Company vs. Ad Nauseam. GOGO AD NAUSEAM
How else is Mox Opal supposed to draw away banlist discussion heat from Nahiri?
I'm not alleging you said Jund was bad. I'm responding to your claim that "you just have to go with super aggro, combo, or Tron." Jund is clearly good enough for many players who aren't just audibling to super aggro, combo, or Tron. You don't "have to go with" those decks. You can play Jund and you can be just as successful.
I wouldn't necessarily bet on Jund winning Charlotte, but that doesn't matter. Just sending two pilots to the T8 is a big feat and shows the deck is viable. It even sent one to LA.
Los Angeles T8 is also up:
Merfolk
Abzan Company
Jund
Affinity
RG Tron
Affinity
Grixis Control/Midrange
Bant Eldrazi
Very exciting finals! Looks like too many players ditched too much Affinity hate this time.
This is a really bizarre statement given how well Jund has done in the 1.5 months up until this event, and in Jund sending two pilots to the Top 8 of Charlotte.
I feel like a lot of Tron haters want a deck that just has good matchups across the format. They want to beat aggro and combo, they want to have decent 50-50 fair matchups, and they don't want to lose to big mana decks. Am I missing something? Because it sounds like many just want a best deck like Twin they can turn to, despite there being numerous viable options that are not just "best decks."
Tron: working as intended. But I agree it's frustrating to lose to this deck if you are playing one of the strategies which Tron is designed to beat up.
EDIT: GP Charlotte Top 8 is up! Gogogogo Ad Nauseam!
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpcha16/top-8-decklists-2016-05-22
Betting against Affinity was the right thing to do for the last 1.5 months. Maybe the rule needs to be "Never, ever bet against Affinity at GPs."
Unfortunately, it might be hard to find women who have an LSV level of knowledge about Magic and Modern. I'm willing to endure a bit of bad commentary for a while if Gaby can help raise the bar across the board for the future. She was also better this weekend than the last time I saw her on stream, which suggests the kind of gradual improvement we'd want to see.
Positive: women being more visible in Magic. It can be offputting for segments of the community to have so many adult white males in coverage roles. Also, newer and younger blood in coverage is good for long-term Magic growth.
Negative: she doesn't really know Modern. She knows it more than, say, the average Reddit user, but she can't provide the kind of expert insight I'd want to see from commentators. She's also made some pretty odd analyses of board states and deck choices.
I think the positives outweigh the negatives, but I'd like to see the negatives improve.
Unrelated - Affinity at 10% of LA and the top deck at GP Charlotte is very surprising to me. I guess people shipped away too much SB hate.
Calling Tron "unplayable" is some combination of misleading, inaccurate, and/or disingenuous, at least if you are referring to RG Tron with regard to Eye's banning. RG Tron is totally viable.
Mono U Tron ties it up 1-1 off of a Chalice at one and a Chalice at two.