Anyone see this list? Looks pretty sweet, think it deserves some discussion. I might be a litle biased since I'm on the GW plan as well. My list is fairly different from this one though and is currently being changed every few games.
I've been considering that. My main concern is you ever need to path something with a Thalia on the board, you'd need 4 mana to do so.
I've bumped up to 4 jadelight ranger, cutting blade splicer and the card has been great. Sometimes I miss the 3/3 first striker but the upsides have been overshadowing the downside. I have to do more testing with it, but of the last 5 games I played on mtgo, it almost never felt bad casting jt.
Also Samzam I suggest you check out spiderspace's eldrazi list. It's pretty good and has been putting up results.
Jake, I am a little curious as to how you will handle the Jeskai Control match up. That deck always shows up no matter the setting. I've been running Thrun in the sideboard for that match up.
I'm interested in your approach to the match up. Maybe I will learn something.
I've made some tweaks since posting this. Jeskai control shouldn't be too hard. Being on the play obviously always helps.
Burrenton Forge-Tender and Selfless spirit are my ideal SB cards against them. Be aggressive with mana denial. Not just Leonin Arbiter + GQ, but Flickerwisp especially. Basically, mono-white is the best build of a deck against them, so play like one.
I've considered it. It's a good card, but I think I'd rather have eidolon in my SB since it's good against both Storm and KCI (as well as burn) which are fairly prevalent right now. Gavony Township already does the same effect for 'cheaper.' I'm really just not sure what I would cut to include it.
I definitely don't want to do less than 4 Restoration Angel.
If Jadelight Ranger doesn't prove to be any good, it's definitely next in line for testing in the flex spot.
Hey guys, I have January off work so I'm going to be grinding games/tournaments with this new list all month leading up to GP Toronto. I usually play mono-white, no eldrazi. I'm changing it up and trying GW. Knight of Autumn seems too good to pass up. The sideboard is definitely not set in stone, I'd like to get more accustomed to GW before deciding what the whole 75 needs to look like.
In my 2 flex spots I currently have Jadelight Ranger and Thalia, Heretic Cathar. Thalia is pretty good in creature heavy metas, so it's possible I should just be playing too. However my initial thoughts looking at this deck compared to mono-white is no Thraben Inspector. Playing the full 4 Horizon Canopy, or even 3, feels a little risky in this meta. Otherwise that would be the obvious way to keep cards flowing. Might adjust the number after testing. In the meantime I'm going a little off the beaten path with Jadelight Ranger. I think we can abuse this card pretty heavily with flickerwisp and Resto. I'm excited to test it out. Anyway, here's the list. Any input is appreciated.
I want to try the GW variant of D&T and i'm wondering, wich 4 drop is the best in the mainboard? We got the traditionnal Restoration Angel, Shalai, Voice of plenty and Collected Company. Personally I think that Shalai place is in the sideboard and i feel that coco is better than Restoration Angel. However i still find a lot of lists where restoration angle is used.
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It depends on how you build your deck, but I personally favour Restoration Angel a lot more. It has for more synergy with the deck, especially allowing you to abuse Flickerwisp a lot more, it's a creature so Aether Vial and Thalia aren't as awkward, and it's pretty much never a dead draw.
Has anyone thought about testing Baird, Steward of Argive? I remember Archangel of Tithes not working due to triple W, and Windborn Muse just feels too plain and boring. So Baird seems like he doesn't really bring anything new to the table, but just curious if anyone has noticed or thought of anything I haven't. Possible the Legendary type has some bonus?
In the affinity match the arbiters are not good enough, they are just a bear that cant even block, they have only 1 basic at most, so you can path and GQ for free anyways.
Yes, I forgot to include the sideboarding I did for that mathcup. I took 3 arbiters out and put in the 2 stony and 1 kataki. I considered the O-rings for cranial plating and just as an extra removal spell in general, but I felt it might be too slow and I'd rather be mulliganing for stony silence or kataki.
Even if GDS have command for your Blade Splicer, you are trading 1 for 1 and 3 mana for 3 mana, and that's really good for you, since most of the times their Kcommands are 2 for 1 against you or worst. And Blade Splicer is really good if they dont have Kcommand (or cant cast it).
So what would you recommend in terms of the 5th card I should have taken out? Something lower impact?
Siding out all 4 vials would leave one card that needs to come out.
So here's the deck list I went 5 - 3 with at GP Toronto and 3 - 0 the next day in a modern side event. I regrettably didn't write notes after each match so I'll be writing from memory (of which I have a horrible one). Regardless, I do remember the highlights, so here's a rough breakdown:
Round 1 (0-0):Titan shift
I felt pretty good when I saw wooded foothills fetch a stomping ground to suspend Search for Tomorrow. I landed an early Thalia, then an arbiter. He still managed to play a Titan which I had a path for and then swung in for lethal. In: Mirran Crusader, Gideon of the Trials, 2 Burrenton Forge Tender Out: 1 Aether Vial, 2 Thraben Inspector, 1 Blade Splicer
I played an early Arbiter, into flickerwisp him off a land early on, then restoration angel flickerwisp to restrict his mana again. He bolts angel then casts Anger of the Gods to wipe the board. I play a Mirran Crusader, vial in Blade Splicer the following turn, finish the game in two swings.
Round 2 (1-0):Burn
I was overconfident in this match. I've played against burn quite a bit and am very familiar with the matchup. I lost in 3 unfortunately after winning the first game easily and then losing to a top decked bolt when I had lethal on the board and was at 3 life. In: 2 Burrenton Forge Tender, Gideon of the Trials Out: 2 Thraben Inspector, 1 Mirran Crusader
I kept a hand with no thalias, arbiters, or sb cards. I believe the hand was aether vial, selfless spirit, flickerwisp and lands. My line of thinking was flying is good against burn, but I definitely had tunnel vision on that minor piece of the puzzle when it comes to defeating burn. Simply put, I made a decision to keep a weak 7 and lost.
Round 3: (1-1)Affinity
Not even sure I need to go in depth here. Lost game 1, sided in Stony Silence and Kataki and Linvala. He beat me in game 2 despite having a stony silence and Arbiter + GQ'ing him. At this point I was feeling pretty annoyed about messing up my burn matchup. I had to win 5 games in a row now to make day 2. Looking bleak. Due to the quick game I had enough time to grab lunch and clear my head. I'd suggest this quite strongly during any competitive event. Taking a moment to re-focus actually helped a lot and I think contributed a huge amount to my following games.
Round 4: (1-2)Grixis DS
I honestly don't remember much about this game. I do remember in game 3 he had a lili on 3 and I had an empty board after a kozilek's return the previous turn. It wasn't looking great. I drew a thraben inspector. Quite possibly one of the best cards against lili in my opinion. He ticks up. I crack the clue, see a resto angel, draw a crusader for the turn. Cast crusader. Ticks lili down, sac the inspector. Kill lili, flash in resto on his end step, proceed to win. In: Mirran Crusader, Dusk // Dawn, Gideon of the Trials, 2 Oblivion Ring Out: 3 Aether Vial, 2 Blade Splicer
I'm still not quite sure if those are the correct cards to take out against against DS, but Blade Splicer doesn't feel that great against Kolaghan's Command for me.
Round 5: (2-2)Living End
I used to think this wasn't a good matchup. I'm not sure why. At least post-board it's very easy. Game 1 he combo'd off and I scooped. Game 2 I landed a rest in peace with creatures on the board to close out the game. Game 3 he tapped out to cast a cascade spell while I had a Thalia on board. It resolved, he goes to cast living end and I explain he can't, he says gg. In: 2 Rest in Peace, 1 Settle the Wreckage, 1 Dusk // Dawn, 1 Relic of Progenitus Out: 2 Aether Vial, 3 Blade Splicer
Round 6: (3-2)BR Hollow One
I did not get much of a chance to test against this deck. I still don't know if siding in Rest in Peace or just Relic is correct. This was basically another set of games where Mirran Crusader won. I held onto removal for his red creatures and left the crusader up as a blockade and won with resto angel for both games. In: Relic, 2 Burrenton Forge Tender, Mirran Crusader, 2 Oblivion Ring Out: 2 Thraben Inspector, 2 Aether Vial, 2 Restoration Angel
Round 7: (4-2)Humans
I definitely thought this was the end of the day. I had mostly poor results in testing against this deck and was starting to get a little tired from so many games. Fortunately I snuck a win in with game 2 after sneaking by on 1 life and putting burrenton forge tender to work by blocking a thalia's lieutenant and the sac'ing to prevent the damage from a Vithian Renegades while the rest of my time made favorable blocks since he believed he was swinging in for lethal. Game 3, he kept a poor 6 with 2 Aether Vial, Meddling Mage, Reflector Mage and lands. After he resolved the creatures I GQ'd him down to one land with wisp and thalia on defence and he couldn't cast anything else. I drew fliers and brought him to 0 before he could recover. He complimented my piloting skills which felt pretty good considering I'm still not the most confident when playing this deck due to constantly having to take hiatus' from the game due to work. In: 2 Burrenton Forge Tender, 1 Settle the Wreckage, 2 Oblivion Ring Out: 2 Thraben Inspector, 3 Leonin Arbiter
Round 8: (5-2)Merfolk
I went into this match prepared to lose. Not in a pessimistic manner, but I was very happy with how the day had panned out and the recovery I had made. Once I saw Island - Aether Vial, I kind of chuckled to myself and figured I may as well go out with a bang. I lost in game 3, possibly due to not casting a gideon early enough and getting clique'd. He was on mono blue and was still playing master of waves, which definitely made the matchup even bleaker. He was a very nice opponent and also complimented my piloting skills. Was a good way to end the day. In: Settle the Wreckage, Dusk // Dawn, Gideon of the Trials Out: 1 Aether Vial, 2 Leonin Arbiter
Final Thoughts:
I definitely think I over sideboarded a lot of matchups, and possibly incorrectly. Also throwing away the burn matchup was pretty dumb. However I obviously would have gotten different matchups and possibly faced more humans and not gotten so lucky. I was excited to take this build (with some minor tweaks) to other events, but definitely have to adjust to the whatever the unbannings turns the metagame into.
I wasn't very impressed with Selfless Spirit. I'm sure I would feel differently if I had been paired against any Jeskai or UW Control obviously. I think I could have sided it out against a lot more decks but I often kept it in out of fear of losing because I couldn't draw a flier or not having a way to protect a Mirran Crusader in certain matchups. I was very impressed with Mirran Crusader. It felt like the right choice to keep it maindeck in the flex spots for that tournament at the end of the day.
In the sideboard, I never had a chance to cast Settle the wreckage, but it was great in testing. Same goes for Gideon. I did resolve him once or twice and he was great. Linvala didn't feel right and I was mostly playing it knowing how much Toronto players love Company decks.
Hey guys, finished GP Toronto at 5 - 3. I was 5 - 2 going into round 8 and then got paired against merfolk. I'll write a slightly more detailed tournament report with my list sometime this week. I'm also curious to how stonecloaker performed.
EDIT: Jace and Bloodbraid being unbanned, what are we supposed to do? How bad is this for us? Is Phyrexian Revoker finally going to have to be maindecked, alongside an Eidolon of Rhetoric or Ethersworn Canonist?
So I'm curious. How can we improve vs the humans deck. I know my meta seems to be increasing with them. I have both the black and white eldrazi and the mono white eldrazi
I'm currently trying Settle the Wreckage in my sb against them. Works well with leonin arbiter and works well against any go wide strategies. In B/W Eldrazi, zealous persecution is great. 2 Fatal push in the side as well. Other than that, anything with flying is obviously good against them, as well as gideon. I've been trying to find an answer for a while as well, these are just the things I've noticed.
Just curious as to how you guys deal with people forgetting to pay for arbiter at Competitive REL events. I've always simply reminded my opponent they need to pay 2 if they crack their fetch and pick up their deck, but I've had a couple players say that's a judge call.
Hey guys, currently prepping and testing for GP Toronto. I've got 2 flex spots I can't currently seem to settle on. I've got Mirran Crusader and Eldrazi Displacer in there right now. I've noticed people have been mb'ing 2 Aven Mindcensor recently, that interests me. What do you guys have in your flex spots in this meta and why?
What do you guys think of Thraben Inspector vs Dryad Militant against grindier decks like Jeskai Control UW control? It's been getting popular at my lgs. I've found the inspector's clues are sort of helpful in the late game, but I don't usually want the game to go that long because they start to gain the advantage there. I haven't been having any major issues against the decks, but just wondering if my build is optimized to beat the decks I'm facing. I remember Dryad Militant being sooo good against snapcaster decks, as well as it adds a slightly more aggressive approach. Would it be a mistake if I swapped out the 1/2 for the 2/1?
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I've been considering that. My main concern is you ever need to path something with a Thalia on the board, you'd need 4 mana to do so.
I've bumped up to 4 jadelight ranger, cutting blade splicer and the card has been great. Sometimes I miss the 3/3 first striker but the upsides have been overshadowing the downside. I have to do more testing with it, but of the last 5 games I played on mtgo, it almost never felt bad casting jt.
Also Samzam I suggest you check out spiderspace's eldrazi list. It's pretty good and has been putting up results.
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I've made some tweaks since posting this. Jeskai control shouldn't be too hard. Being on the play obviously always helps.
Burrenton Forge-Tender and Selfless spirit are my ideal SB cards against them. Be aggressive with mana denial. Not just Leonin Arbiter + GQ, but Flickerwisp especially. Basically, mono-white is the best build of a deck against them, so play like one.
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I definitely don't want to do less than 4 Restoration Angel.
If Jadelight Ranger doesn't prove to be any good, it's definitely next in line for testing in the flex spot.
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In my 2 flex spots I currently have Jadelight Ranger and Thalia, Heretic Cathar. Thalia is pretty good in creature heavy metas, so it's possible I should just be playing too. However my initial thoughts looking at this deck compared to mono-white is no Thraben Inspector. Playing the full 4 Horizon Canopy, or even 3, feels a little risky in this meta. Otherwise that would be the obvious way to keep cards flowing. Might adjust the number after testing. In the meantime I'm going a little off the beaten path with Jadelight Ranger. I think we can abuse this card pretty heavily with flickerwisp and Resto. I'm excited to test it out. Anyway, here's the list. Any input is appreciated.
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Thalia. Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Flickerwisp
4 Restoration Angel
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Knight of Autumn
3 Blade Splicer
1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
1 Jadelight Ranger
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
Lands
4 Razorverge Thicket
4 Temple Garden
2 Horizon Canopy
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Tectonic Edge
1 Gavony Township
2 Forest
2 Plains
2 Stirring Wildwood
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Settle the Wreckage
2 Mirran Crusader
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Eternal Witness
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Knight of Autumn
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It depends on how you build your deck, but I personally favour Restoration Angel a lot more. It has for more synergy with the deck, especially allowing you to abuse Flickerwisp a lot more, it's a creature so Aether Vial and Thalia aren't as awkward, and it's pretty much never a dead draw.
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Yes, I forgot to include the sideboarding I did for that mathcup. I took 3 arbiters out and put in the 2 stony and 1 kataki. I considered the O-rings for cranial plating and just as an extra removal spell in general, but I felt it might be too slow and I'd rather be mulliganing for stony silence or kataki.
So what would you recommend in terms of the 5th card I should have taken out? Something lower impact?
Siding out all 4 vials would leave one card that needs to come out.
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4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thraben Inspector
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Blade Splicer
4 Flickerwisp
4 Restoration Angel
1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Selfless Spirit
2 Mirran Crusader
4 Path to Exile
4 Tectonic Edge
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Shefet Dunes
1 Mutavault
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Mirran Crusader
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Settle the Wreckage
1 Gideon of the Trials
1 Dusk // Dawn
So here's the deck list I went 5 - 3 with at GP Toronto and 3 - 0 the next day in a modern side event. I regrettably didn't write notes after each match so I'll be writing from memory (of which I have a horrible one). Regardless, I do remember the highlights, so here's a rough breakdown:
Round 1 (0-0): Titan shift
I felt pretty good when I saw wooded foothills fetch a stomping ground to suspend Search for Tomorrow. I landed an early Thalia, then an arbiter. He still managed to play a Titan which I had a path for and then swung in for lethal.
In: Mirran Crusader, Gideon of the Trials, 2 Burrenton Forge Tender
Out: 1 Aether Vial, 2 Thraben Inspector, 1 Blade Splicer
I played an early Arbiter, into flickerwisp him off a land early on, then restoration angel flickerwisp to restrict his mana again. He bolts angel then casts Anger of the Gods to wipe the board. I play a Mirran Crusader, vial in Blade Splicer the following turn, finish the game in two swings.
Round 2 (1-0): Burn
I was overconfident in this match. I've played against burn quite a bit and am very familiar with the matchup. I lost in 3 unfortunately after winning the first game easily and then losing to a top decked bolt when I had lethal on the board and was at 3 life.
In: 2 Burrenton Forge Tender, Gideon of the Trials
Out: 2 Thraben Inspector, 1 Mirran Crusader
I kept a hand with no thalias, arbiters, or sb cards. I believe the hand was aether vial, selfless spirit, flickerwisp and lands. My line of thinking was flying is good against burn, but I definitely had tunnel vision on that minor piece of the puzzle when it comes to defeating burn. Simply put, I made a decision to keep a weak 7 and lost.
Round 3: (1-1) Affinity
Not even sure I need to go in depth here. Lost game 1, sided in Stony Silence and Kataki and Linvala. He beat me in game 2 despite having a stony silence and Arbiter + GQ'ing him. At this point I was feeling pretty annoyed about messing up my burn matchup. I had to win 5 games in a row now to make day 2. Looking bleak. Due to the quick game I had enough time to grab lunch and clear my head. I'd suggest this quite strongly during any competitive event. Taking a moment to re-focus actually helped a lot and I think contributed a huge amount to my following games.
Round 4: (1-2) Grixis DS
I honestly don't remember much about this game. I do remember in game 3 he had a lili on 3 and I had an empty board after a kozilek's return the previous turn. It wasn't looking great. I drew a thraben inspector. Quite possibly one of the best cards against lili in my opinion. He ticks up. I crack the clue, see a resto angel, draw a crusader for the turn. Cast crusader. Ticks lili down, sac the inspector. Kill lili, flash in resto on his end step, proceed to win.
In: Mirran Crusader, Dusk // Dawn, Gideon of the Trials, 2 Oblivion Ring
Out: 3 Aether Vial, 2 Blade Splicer
I'm still not quite sure if those are the correct cards to take out against against DS, but Blade Splicer doesn't feel that great against Kolaghan's Command for me.
Round 5: (2-2) Living End
I used to think this wasn't a good matchup. I'm not sure why. At least post-board it's very easy. Game 1 he combo'd off and I scooped. Game 2 I landed a rest in peace with creatures on the board to close out the game. Game 3 he tapped out to cast a cascade spell while I had a Thalia on board. It resolved, he goes to cast living end and I explain he can't, he says gg.
In: 2 Rest in Peace, 1 Settle the Wreckage, 1 Dusk // Dawn, 1 Relic of Progenitus
Out: 2 Aether Vial, 3 Blade Splicer
Round 6: (3-2) BR Hollow One
I did not get much of a chance to test against this deck. I still don't know if siding in Rest in Peace or just Relic is correct. This was basically another set of games where Mirran Crusader won. I held onto removal for his red creatures and left the crusader up as a blockade and won with resto angel for both games.
In: Relic, 2 Burrenton Forge Tender, Mirran Crusader, 2 Oblivion Ring
Out: 2 Thraben Inspector, 2 Aether Vial, 2 Restoration Angel
Round 7: (4-2) Humans
I definitely thought this was the end of the day. I had mostly poor results in testing against this deck and was starting to get a little tired from so many games. Fortunately I snuck a win in with game 2 after sneaking by on 1 life and putting burrenton forge tender to work by blocking a thalia's lieutenant and the sac'ing to prevent the damage from a Vithian Renegades while the rest of my time made favorable blocks since he believed he was swinging in for lethal. Game 3, he kept a poor 6 with 2 Aether Vial, Meddling Mage, Reflector Mage and lands. After he resolved the creatures I GQ'd him down to one land with wisp and thalia on defence and he couldn't cast anything else. I drew fliers and brought him to 0 before he could recover. He complimented my piloting skills which felt pretty good considering I'm still not the most confident when playing this deck due to constantly having to take hiatus' from the game due to work.
In: 2 Burrenton Forge Tender, 1 Settle the Wreckage, 2 Oblivion Ring
Out: 2 Thraben Inspector, 3 Leonin Arbiter
Round 8: (5-2) Merfolk
I went into this match prepared to lose. Not in a pessimistic manner, but I was very happy with how the day had panned out and the recovery I had made. Once I saw Island - Aether Vial, I kind of chuckled to myself and figured I may as well go out with a bang. I lost in game 3, possibly due to not casting a gideon early enough and getting clique'd. He was on mono blue and was still playing master of waves, which definitely made the matchup even bleaker. He was a very nice opponent and also complimented my piloting skills. Was a good way to end the day.
In: Settle the Wreckage, Dusk // Dawn, Gideon of the Trials
Out: 1 Aether Vial, 2 Leonin Arbiter
Final Thoughts:
I definitely think I over sideboarded a lot of matchups, and possibly incorrectly. Also throwing away the burn matchup was pretty dumb. However I obviously would have gotten different matchups and possibly faced more humans and not gotten so lucky. I was excited to take this build (with some minor tweaks) to other events, but definitely have to adjust to the whatever the unbannings turns the metagame into.
I wasn't very impressed with Selfless Spirit. I'm sure I would feel differently if I had been paired against any Jeskai or UW Control obviously. I think I could have sided it out against a lot more decks but I often kept it in out of fear of losing because I couldn't draw a flier or not having a way to protect a Mirran Crusader in certain matchups. I was very impressed with Mirran Crusader. It felt like the right choice to keep it maindeck in the flex spots for that tournament at the end of the day.
In the sideboard, I never had a chance to cast Settle the wreckage, but it was great in testing. Same goes for Gideon. I did resolve him once or twice and he was great. Linvala didn't feel right and I was mostly playing it knowing how much Toronto players love Company decks.
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EDIT: Jace and Bloodbraid being unbanned, what are we supposed to do? How bad is this for us? Is Phyrexian Revoker finally going to have to be maindecked, alongside an Eidolon of Rhetoric or Ethersworn Canonist?
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I'm currently trying Settle the Wreckage in my sb against them. Works well with leonin arbiter and works well against any go wide strategies. In B/W Eldrazi, zealous persecution is great. 2 Fatal push in the side as well. Other than that, anything with flying is obviously good against them, as well as gideon. I've been trying to find an answer for a while as well, these are just the things I've noticed.
Just curious as to how you guys deal with people forgetting to pay for arbiter at Competitive REL events. I've always simply reminded my opponent they need to pay 2 if they crack their fetch and pick up their deck, but I've had a couple players say that's a judge call.
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