I love these draft matters cards too (caller of the untamed & volatile chimera), but this is good constructive feedback to hear about. A recent cubetutor deck I assembled saw the chimera imprinted with ulamog, blightsteel colossus, and master of cruelties. I think the players in my group would be pissed if after 1.5 hours of drafting, someone got infect-headshot or annihilator 4'ed on turn 4!
Yeah, exactly it's why I think this is really a multiplayer cube (or even just EDH cube) problem and a nonissue for more competitive 1v1 cubes. (Though even there I'd be mindful)
I think caller is totally safe, and was sad I didn't get to see the Ghave deck find it the other day to make Goblin Sharpshooters forever, and Chimera is probably flimsy and unpredictable enough to be fine, but savant is really really dangerous and needs to be watched.
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Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
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After testing this guy is actually so insane that he's this close to coming out of my EDH cube. So far as I can tell he has two one-card infinite combos just in mono blue in my cube. More in dimir with a sac outlet. When he's not going infinite he's either locking out the entire table with something like Devastation Tide, or casting some big instant/sorcery repeatedly in Brago or with Eldrazi Displacer and warping the game. He totally warps games, and while these things might be fine in other cubes where it just means the game ends and you shuffle up for the next one, in my EDH cube we only usually play one or two games. He's crazy and fun, but he may actually just be too strong/game warping for my cube.
What experience have other people had with him since putting him in their cubes?
Arcane Savant went as an unplayed last pick in our 5 man draft today. I think at least one of the blue drafters was wrong to not pick it up (he had Upheaval). Maybe next time we can see it in action.
Holy hell that player was just wrong. At worst he's a cheaper upheaval, but when it comes to upheaval he actually just says that your opponent doesn't get to play magic. Hell, he could have something like Doom Blade or Threaten taped to him and he'd still be great.
They could've used the term "limited pool" if they wanted it to extend beyond basic drafts, but they didn't. It's much cleaner this way, and the disfunction in sealed is just an unfortunate byproduct of that cleaner wording.
Which is essentially what I'm trying to communicate; it isn't excluded from sealed for a very deliberate reason. It's excluded mainly as a biproduct, since conspiracy cards in sealed is very much an afterthought. (As they know you can't do sealed with the product anyway, since other cards outright don't work)
That's reason enough for me to allow it. Then again, I've never done sealed with my cube.
EDIT: Just realized with how it's worded it lets you play off-color spells in commander cube since the card is never in your deck. Neat!
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Oh, right, chiming in: It's worded that way for a reason, and that reason so it's not absurd in constructed formats. If it was worded to use cards outside the game it's basically be spending a sideboard slot to break the game. It's nothing against sealed or other limited formats, and my opinion is that it should be seen as perfectly fine in sealed, it's just that the wording that excludes constructed technically also forces it to exclude sealed.
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Oh goodie. Busted instant/sorcery support. It'll fit right in and support and under-loved archetype. (Despite how busted Jeleva and Narset are with the massive splashy spells a available.)
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Yeah, exactly it's why I think this is really a multiplayer cube (or even just EDH cube) problem and a nonissue for more competitive 1v1 cubes. (Though even there I'd be mindful)
I think caller is totally safe, and was sad I didn't get to see the Ghave deck find it the other day to make Goblin Sharpshooters forever, and Chimera is probably flimsy and unpredictable enough to be fine, but savant is really really dangerous and needs to be watched.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
What experience have other people had with him since putting him in their cubes?
Holy hell that player was just wrong. At worst he's a cheaper upheaval, but when it comes to upheaval he actually just says that your opponent doesn't get to play magic. Hell, he could have something like Doom Blade or Threaten taped to him and he'd still be great.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
Which is essentially what I'm trying to communicate; it isn't excluded from sealed for a very deliberate reason. It's excluded mainly as a biproduct, since conspiracy cards in sealed is very much an afterthought. (As they know you can't do sealed with the product anyway, since other cards outright don't work)
That's reason enough for me to allow it. Then again, I've never done sealed with my cube.
EDIT: Just realized with how it's worded it lets you play off-color spells in commander cube since the card is never in your deck. Neat!
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)