So, for Peatland I don't think it's good news for Jund or Rock.
I'm wondering if Jund Shadow could play a playset of this. It furthers the plan and there's no Gurmag delving. 4x Bauble, 4x Wraiths and 4x Horizons could be sexy, especially as it helps bring down the life total for Shadow.
Or the land base may be too tight, I don't know. I think as of now the Peatland only looks realistic for this Shadow deck, it's going to be bad for the rest of the midrange fair decks.
I was able to sorta blindly sideboard ok since, like you said, this feels like a hyper jund. When I need to take the control route that's when side out wraiths, 2x lotv on the draw, etc.
If I feel conflicted with no super clear cut plan I'll shave a wraith, 1x tarfire, 1x iok, etc.
Your sideboard plans are what I basically did minus the fulminator mage.
I did find the mana being 3 colors so smooth. Made life easier. I usually fetch for getting the overgrown and crypt first and then get the second tomb as my third land.
Beating kci on the draw with a mull to 5 felt nice.
I think maybe you're being slightly results oriented? I think maybe 1 main trophy could be a good compromise. I compromised with your list and played 1 dismember and 1 terminate.
Gonna see if I can repeat and get a 3 and 1 record. The jund approach it had and not being so tempo felt nice. Grixis shadow is definitely less grindy than it was a year ago.
I was impressed with the main deck. Not sure what I'd really change in the main. Still testing ghor clan as he wasnt used. Sometime he telegraphs our plan.
I kinda gave up using cb on these creature decks with lords. Its been too underwhelming with my experience with this archetype in general. Unless you have some bad card in the main.
I wouldn't be shocked if k command could be replaced with 1x trophy. Dunno though. I dont see too many flex spots
It feels like you're possibly relying too much on artifact decks going away? I think we will see more affinity decks. I wouldn't be shocked if we see more whir lantern.
I forgot I also only played 1 terminate in your list, with 1 dismember. Dismember can involve some of shadows most busted openers.
The zoo deck I played had voices, goyf, scooze, cat, and bbe. It honestly felt like the games came down to who was on the play.
The gds game, I didn't have anything relevant in my hand. He had an opener of like 4 discard so the game felt close.
I see your arguements for 4x fulminators, but that's a lot of 3x drops, no? I dont love the maindeck trophies but maybe you'll know how to go about it.
I was quite happy with how the maindeck felt, I think the 3x lotv is definitely right in this meta.
He telegraphed his serum pretty badly when he bottomed both cards immediately.
He was at 1 life left, 2 cards in hand. He had 1x shadow on board. I was at 7 life with a 1x big goyf and 1x shadow. I dont double block and he concedes as he would have dismembered me. Apparently a lot of people would have double blocked. I dont like the idea of doing tbr in a grindy matchup but I guess some people do.
Got 40 in store credit going 4 and 0 against a janky brew, kci, naya zoo and grixis shadow.
I saw the list from defish on mtggoldfish. 3 maindeck lotv, 1 k command. I think I kept the sideboard the same except shaving 1 cb for 1x grim lavamancer and 1x anger instead of languish
Deck performed well all night.
I have a question about the grixis shadow matchup vs death shadow jund
He sideboarded out 3x mishra baubles, 2x bolts and something else. He kept in 2x battlerages. That's shocking and wrong, right? He was pretty adamant about it and even was a little condescending about it. Was he right? Id like to know since I play both decks
I figured you never boarded out baubles as it smooths out your draws and makes up for playing 17 lands.
Man, you're obviously doing something right, as you're topping tournaments.
I played against one of the guys who recently got first place in the SCG tournament at my store. Game 3 I made a mistake scrying to the bottom a steam vents I needed for my Shadow against him as Hollow One in game 3. I instantly regretted it the second I bottomed it. The tiny decisions you make in Grixis multiple turns ago can be disastrous. I feel like Jund Shadow has less of that.
There isn't that much info on an expansive sideboard with Jund Shadow and 4C shadow. I would love to see one and write it down.
Ben Jones twitter account really helped me board correctly with Grixis. Just need enough references.
You talking about the constricting mana very much happened to me against Hardened Scales. I had a very large shadow and two Goyfs looking at tokens from my opponent.
I very much needed 2x green mana, one for traversing Ghor-Clan and the other to play him on Shadow. I couldn't do that, my mana was too messed up. My opponent had Ballista on 1 so I needed it right then and there.
I think you made a great decision in playing DSJ instead.
I'm wondering if Jund Shadow could play a playset of this. It furthers the plan and there's no Gurmag delving. 4x Bauble, 4x Wraiths and 4x Horizons could be sexy, especially as it helps bring down the life total for Shadow.
Or the land base may be too tight, I don't know. I think as of now the Peatland only looks realistic for this Shadow deck, it's going to be bad for the rest of the midrange fair decks.
This is more awesome for something like Amulet Titan. MAYBE G Tron. I'm not sure this will effect Leyline so much.
Jund shadow feels dangerous to play due to dredge and Phoenix hate in this meta
If I feel conflicted with no super clear cut plan I'll shave a wraith, 1x tarfire, 1x iok, etc.
Your sideboard plans are what I basically did minus the fulminator mage.
I did find the mana being 3 colors so smooth. Made life easier. I usually fetch for getting the overgrown and crypt first and then get the second tomb as my third land.
Beating kci on the draw with a mull to 5 felt nice.
I think maybe you're being slightly results oriented? I think maybe 1 main trophy could be a good compromise. I compromised with your list and played 1 dismember and 1 terminate.
Gonna see if I can repeat and get a 3 and 1 record. The jund approach it had and not being so tempo felt nice. Grixis shadow is definitely less grindy than it was a year ago.
I was impressed with the main deck. Not sure what I'd really change in the main. Still testing ghor clan as he wasnt used. Sometime he telegraphs our plan.
I kinda gave up using cb on these creature decks with lords. Its been too underwhelming with my experience with this archetype in general. Unless you have some bad card in the main.
I wouldn't be shocked if k command could be replaced with 1x trophy. Dunno though. I dont see too many flex spots
I forgot I also only played 1 terminate in your list, with 1 dismember. Dismember can involve some of shadows most busted openers.
The zoo deck I played had voices, goyf, scooze, cat, and bbe. It honestly felt like the games came down to who was on the play.
The gds game, I didn't have anything relevant in my hand. He had an opener of like 4 discard so the game felt close.
I see your arguements for 4x fulminators, but that's a lot of 3x drops, no? I dont love the maindeck trophies but maybe you'll know how to go about it.
I was quite happy with how the maindeck felt, I think the 3x lotv is definitely right in this meta.
2x goyf, 1x fatal push, 1x lotv, 1x thoughtseize, 2x fetches.
He telegraphed his serum pretty badly when he bottomed both cards immediately.
He was at 1 life left, 2 cards in hand. He had 1x shadow on board. I was at 7 life with a 1x big goyf and 1x shadow. I dont double block and he concedes as he would have dismembered me. Apparently a lot of people would have double blocked. I dont like the idea of doing tbr in a grindy matchup but I guess some people do.
I saw the list from defish on mtggoldfish. 3 maindeck lotv, 1 k command. I think I kept the sideboard the same except shaving 1 cb for 1x grim lavamancer and 1x anger instead of languish
Deck performed well all night.
I have a question about the grixis shadow matchup vs death shadow jund
He sideboarded out 3x mishra baubles, 2x bolts and something else. He kept in 2x battlerages. That's shocking and wrong, right? He was pretty adamant about it and even was a little condescending about it. Was he right? Id like to know since I play both decks
I figured you never boarded out baubles as it smooths out your draws and makes up for playing 17 lands.
I played against one of the guys who recently got first place in the SCG tournament at my store. Game 3 I made a mistake scrying to the bottom a steam vents I needed for my Shadow against him as Hollow One in game 3. I instantly regretted it the second I bottomed it. The tiny decisions you make in Grixis multiple turns ago can be disastrous. I feel like Jund Shadow has less of that.
There isn't that much info on an expansive sideboard with Jund Shadow and 4C shadow. I would love to see one and write it down.
Ben Jones twitter account really helped me board correctly with Grixis. Just need enough references.
Spell based combo decks are going to pop their head out as a result of Izzet, no?
I very much needed 2x green mana, one for traversing Ghor-Clan and the other to play him on Shadow. I couldn't do that, my mana was too messed up. My opponent had Ballista on 1 so I needed it right then and there.
I think you made a great decision in playing DSJ instead.
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I would personally at least one EE in my modern tool-box