Almost all lists I see are cutting down to 17 lands by running a single Blood Crypt. I am currently on 2x Blood Crypt (18 lands) for 2x Anger of the Gods in the side. Is Anger not worth it? I see almost no sweepers out of any sideboards. Am I missing something here?
One for one often feels nice. People like Reid Duke always felt spot removal was better than board wipes. If dredge isnt dominating anger doesn't seem that amazing
Also, lists have been running 17 lands for quite a bit now with bauble builds.
I play both, UR Phoenix and GDS, and i can tell you the MU can be pretty miserable for both sides but overall GDS should be favored. If you have an early threat backed up by discard and removal for Thing and Drake it's pretty hard for the phoenix deck to win but they can also have their multiple phoenix + bolt draws that cannont be broken up via a single Discard spell and run you over in a hurry.
After boarding the MU becomes even more favorable for GDS.
What should the sideboard plan be for GDS against Phoenix decks?
Grixis Shadow looks like it's becoming VERY well positioned. I have been paying attention it trending up but Phoenix looks like it's pushed it over that hump. Phoenix being so brutal against those small creature decks seem like a good chance to play this deck.
Man, those were tight games. I truthfully have not learned how to navigate the burn matchup very well with this deck unless it involves a gurmag and stub.
The deck seems like it has so much game against a lot. I'm bringing my 4c shadow to an IQ today but I'm going to spend more time with grixis afterwards since it looks like it's more favorable to play as.
I agree. I was incredibly happy to see Grixis win it all. I don't think 0 serum visions is right, as that really lowers the consistency.
I feel as though 3 serums, 3 scours, 2 loots and 3 baubles has felt fantastic. It's explosive but can still dig with that set up.
Grixis is definitely beginning to skim the tier 1 status, if it's not already. Reflector mage is brutal on this deck, but this deck is far too powerful to ever be bad in modern until some serious power creep occurs.
@Spsiegel987: What does your list look like? I'm asking it because I'm deciding about giving Grixis Shadow a try but not sure about the exact list I want to play since I basically haven't played it since BBE unban. I'm a bit out of midrange decks as I haven't played any of BGx decks recently either.
Interesting, so you guys don't really elect to bring in the K Commands? What about in those slower matchups where it's just enough to blow up O-Stone or 1x Wurmcoil?
And yeah, as Defish says, Deprive is so crazy good. It's making zero sense not to play this in the sideboard.
Against a deck like tron you dont keep a hand without a clear way to victory. If its durdling dont keep it. If you're on the draw and have counters and 2 chances to cantrip it's worth a keep but still shakey. 4 lands is far too much. A slow hand where you cannot pump out gurman is bad too.
Based off your sideboard I'd do something like
-2 push
-2 bolt
-2 dismember
+1 stub
+2 stroke
+2 abrade
1+ k command
You're probably keeping bad hands. This matchup is far easier than when jund players had to go up against tron
TBR is a straight up combo with Shadow and can outright win you games you had no business winning. The list is too tight to play Apostle Blessing.
This week Ben Friedman wrote about Grixis and was playing a 1 of Izzet Charm. I decided to test it out with 2x Izzet Charm (since I play 2x Loot). Anyone else tried it? I'm trying to test it and see how relevant it can be.
I've been practicing on MTGO with Grixis and 4C Shadow.
Traverse the Ulvenwald itself can be such a clunky card in a meta this fast, and the lands are so sloppily constructed, it feels like you better hope to know what 4th color is least important that game.
It is a nice surprise how smooth this deck is without the K-Commands and Lillies clunking it up. I don't feel like I'm improving with the deck, which is frustrating. The sideboard plan for this deck seems a lot more complex than the other fair decks.
Good response. Definitely gives me something to think about. I'm receptive to anyone else who wants to chime in.
Stubborn can be quite the messed up card. I'm trying to think if the meta is going more aggro or spell based.
I took a 6 month break from modern but jund feels extremely poorly positioned despite jadines performance a few weeks ago. Trophy is great but it doesn't just fix everything.
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Blast zone is a gross card. It also makes putting down 2 copies of shadow in one turn a blow out.
I've had difficulty playing the fair midrange and shadow decks lately. So much so I bought into izzet Phoenix, as playing fair is getting difficult.
I foresee a ton of tron decks which is making me feel iffy about bgx as a whole.
One for one often feels nice. People like Reid Duke always felt spot removal was better than board wipes. If dredge isnt dominating anger doesn't seem that amazing
Also, lists have been running 17 lands for quite a bit now with bauble builds.
What should the sideboard plan be for GDS against Phoenix decks?
The deck seems like it has so much game against a lot. I'm bringing my 4c shadow to an IQ today but I'm going to spend more time with grixis afterwards since it looks like it's more favorable to play as.
I feel as though 3 serums, 3 scours, 2 loots and 3 baubles has felt fantastic. It's explosive but can still dig with that set up.
Grixis is definitely beginning to skim the tier 1 status, if it's not already. Reflector mage is brutal on this deck, but this deck is far too powerful to ever be bad in modern until some serious power creep occurs.
4x Polluted Delta
4x Bloodstained Mire
2x Scalding Tarn
2x Blood Crypt
2x Watery Grave
1x Steam Vents
1x Swamp
1x Island
Creature (15)
4x Death's Shadow
4x Gurmag Angler
3x Snapcaster Mage
4x Street Wraith
3x Mishra's Bauble
3x Thought Scour
3x Serum Visions
2x Faithless Looting
Spells (17)
2x Lightning Bolt
2x Fatal Push
2x Dismember
4x Thoughtseize
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Stubborn Denial
2x Temur Battlerage
4x Leyline of the Void
2x Deprive
1x Stubborn Denial
2x Kolaghan's Command
1x Abrade
1x Anger of the Gods
1x Engineered Explosives
1x Grim Lavamancer
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
1x Fatal Push
If the meta was slower my sideboard would probably look very different. I wouldn't mind changing my sideboard, I'm not 100% sure on it all.
I've been jamming nothing but Grixis Shadow/4C Shadow. Really liking it over the fair midrange decks.
Some people don't run the 1x or 2x loots, but for the most part it looks like the hive mind has a consensus on Grixis' main 60.
I do know the mandatory side has
2x K Command
1x Abrade
1x Stubborn Denial
2x Counters of choice (Deprive, reject, stroke, etc)
3-4 grave hate
Since burn is horribly positioned along with CoCo decks, Collective Brutality isn't really a thing now.
How are you guys feeling about Grim Lavamancer in Shadow? Too slow? Not good unless on curve?
I tried playing Young Pyromancer instead of LTLH but I missed Lilly so much. Maybe if the meta gets more fair.
And yeah, as Defish says, Deprive is so crazy good. It's making zero sense not to play this in the sideboard.
Based off your sideboard I'd do something like
-2 push
-2 bolt
-2 dismember
+1 stub
+2 stroke
+2 abrade
1+ k command
You're probably keeping bad hands. This matchup is far easier than when jund players had to go up against tron
This week Ben Friedman wrote about Grixis and was playing a 1 of Izzet Charm. I decided to test it out with 2x Izzet Charm (since I play 2x Loot). Anyone else tried it? I'm trying to test it and see how relevant it can be.
Wanted to ask about sideboard strats against a few decks. Based off the typical 75, what is the sideboard plan against
Hardened scales affinity
Arclight decks
UR tempo/wizards?
I was demolished by affinity, the matchup feels like a nightmare.
Thanks.
I'm not understanding why more people aren't playing 2x Deprives, its been fantastic. I just don't see enough reasoning to play it over Stroke.
Traverse the Ulvenwald itself can be such a clunky card in a meta this fast, and the lands are so sloppily constructed, it feels like you better hope to know what 4th color is least important that game.
It is a nice surprise how smooth this deck is without the K-Commands and Lillies clunking it up. I don't feel like I'm improving with the deck, which is frustrating. The sideboard plan for this deck seems a lot more complex than the other fair decks.
Stubborn can be quite the messed up card. I'm trying to think if the meta is going more aggro or spell based.
I took a 6 month break from modern but jund feels extremely poorly positioned despite jadines performance a few weeks ago. Trophy is great but it doesn't just fix everything.