I must say modern isn’t that fun at all currently. Modo leagues are all storm and humans (new hot idea). Might as well just go back to Cheerios and try to t2 people again. All you have to do is dodge chalice on 0 and the tiny bit of removal and you’re golden. Modern imo is all about how fast you can kill right now.
We've heard these kinds of anecdotal opinions basically every month (every day, in all likelihood) since Twin got banned. Given that we have even less evidence of the actual MTGO metagame now than we did at any previous time, I'd say this assessment is even less accurate than it normally is. Cincinnati, an actual data point from a recent event, saw UW Control and Jeskai Control both barely miss T8 on breakers. D&T and Humans are also significantly more interactive than most Modern critics are willing to admit.
More importantly, we notice that BOTH E-Tron and GDS have both taken sizable dips since their earlier heights. This suggests the current metagame, which is definitely more aggressive than it was during E-Tron/GDS zeniths, is a reaction to other decks. GDS was big for a while, and then E-Tron came to beat it. Now we have more aggressive decks beating E-Tron. We'll see decks tailored to beat those aggressive decks, and the meta should keep shifting. At least, that's the hope, which so far has been carried through during this last year.
The only real worry I have is the PT, where players with significant time, expertise, and incentive will try to actually break the format to win big. This is where I think we'll see the "true" best decks in Modern emerge, which I suspect are GDS, E-Tron, and Storm. But if I'm wrong, which would be great, then we'll see an even more diverse field than we are seeing now.
Well watching Todd and Caleb’s streams as well as talking to the 3-4 local mtgo grinders that’s what most of them are seeing. I didn’t say anything about bans or unbans just that it’s boring.
I must say modern isn’t that fun at all currently. Modo leagues are all storm and humans (new hot idea). Might as well just go back to Cheerios and try to t2 people again. All you have to do is dodge chalice on 0 and the tiny bit of removal and you’re golden. Modern imo is all about how fast you can kill right now.
The problem with Modern is that the decision-trees are pretty small for a lot of decks which means the skill ceiling is lower and it isn't as interesting to watch as say Legacy or even Standard right now. Watching Jund vs Twin or UWR vs Pod was a lot more entertaining and generally the better player tended to win. That's not really the case in today's modern. Also, there are too many MU's that are disproportionate which also makes for less fun and less entertaining to watch. When a lot of MU's in the format tend to be 70/30 variety, it really diminishes the format. A lot of that has to do with an imbalanced meta where important archetypes like Control are pretty non-existent (as evidenced by meta share, and SB space that other decks in the format use for control which is extremely minimal). It's just not interesting. The Modern PT is going to suck so bad. Keep on parroting "diversity" uber alles though instead of quality of matches and significance of skill in-game.
I 100% agree with this. Going to even an fnm and getting beat by people who misplay 4-8 times a game is very tilting. It happens because those players just know to grab the fastest winning deck and hope it makes up for their poor play. I know they stated that modern won’t change until after the pt but I can’t believe with decent players there now they haven’t talked to some of them about modern and how the pt will look. They’re likely hoping (IMO) that some team takes enough time to break the format again and things will get shaken up that way so they don’t have to deal with it. There is a reason that pros don’t like modern and it’s because how good of a magic player you are often doesn’t matter. Lsv will probably just luck it up again and top 8 though so that’s cool.
WOTC will take their info from mtgo more than anything imo. That's why it is hidden so I don't put a lot of stock into big fnm's like scg events. Scg events IMO don't hold too much valuable info because they also skew a lot of their info. The players they like to show get shown and the ones that are just randomly at the event don't even get their names on the leader board. They go from 2 scg players in 1/2nd to x scg player in 5th. Sure a couple good players that grind pt/gp's play on scg but hell we have pt players at my lgs playing weekly too. Todd Stevens banned me from his twitch chat for having this opinion but I stand by it. If you really want to know what the meta is like you'll have to get WOTC to tell us.
I think if there will be a ban it will be this time and then an unban would happen next. WOTC already said they don't plan on a shake up ban so if something is on the block they'll probably do it now. Then as the format is about to adjust slightly they'll unban something(s).
My guess is modern is here for about 7ish more years because with arena coming out there will have to be a new format that starts here at ixalan and goes forward. They already stated they'll have to have something for when standard rotates out of arena so that seems like the only likely option IMO.
It is really funny. The key is in my opinion more interaction cards like dismember and tec edge...but people dont use them. They play decks without interaction and cry about 2 ships passing in the night. Maybe only 1 time, they should try cards we have? But it seems it is more easy only crying for bannings
Tec edge is too slow and dismember cost is too high vs tron imo.
Could just be that when Arena gets released we get a new format anyway so they care a little less right now. Once cards rotate out of standard on arena they have no use so there will IMO be a new format that starts here with ixalan. This makes me wonder about the state of modern in general honestly.
I will surely be testing the new Field of Ruin out in my UW control list. It seems like a good land hate. If only it was 1 mana and the battlefield could be coming tapped for you and untapped for the opponent or something like this.
I can only think this as a try to put cards in Modern pool through Standard. Their mind was set on Modern in this one. Let's hope for an even better land, for a better counterspell, and Modern could be a 9/10 format.
I disagree, it's too slow for modern imo they printed this for the lands that are getting flipped into. Every deck in standard can run it and I'm sure they know that people need ways to interact with those powerful lands.
The only thing that stands out to me is that eldrazi tron is at the top really often. Not saying it's an issue but it's noticeably often one of the top decks.
Two separate people at Sunday's PPTQ told me that Titanshift is #1 on MTGO. That kind of perturbs me because I am trying to win a PPTQ with it. I may have to go to Grishoalbrand. That deck has an amazing Titanshift matchup.
Idk I feel ok against both with my current deck. 4 blood moon main and 3 fulminator sb has been fine along with lifegain and a decent clock. Local guy here just won a pptq with infect too so there are plenty of options.
The only thing that stands out to me is that eldrazi tron is at the top really often. Not saying it's an issue but it's noticeably often one of the top decks.
Lots of people brew in legacy. The reason legacy fnms don't fire is $ it's too expensive to buy into. I took a lantern brew and a 4 color coco brew to legacy and did decent a couple nights but I honestly think if the format was affordable at least 1/2 the modern players would switch. Dual lands Brice everyone out of the format and if you do t run them many times you need other $200+ lands. Then you have sb cards like flusterstorm that are ridiculously pricey too. Cost of legacy and vintage are absolutely what keep modern so popular. This is a format where the main reason jtms can't be unbanned is because it'll go up to $200+ rather than actually looking at card power level. I love modern and play it all the time heck I have like 10+ viable decks I can play but I'd love to have 5+ viable legacy decks to play if it were played more. I'm actually on the cusp of selling some duals to buy a couple modern decks for modo just to play more because I want the practice.
What do you need to needle on turn one that can't be needled on turn two?
Edit: In Legacy, sure. In modern, where they just banned Probe? I'll take the info.
Anything you brought it in for when you don't want it ts/iok'd from your hand.
Such as?
Lotv is probably a great example or anything you want to hit from lantern control because they to have discard t1 too.
Sounds like you'd be better off with a leyline.
You play leyline in any deck and just pray to have it out t0? What are you bring needles in for then?
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Well watching Todd and Caleb’s streams as well as talking to the 3-4 local mtgo grinders that’s what most of them are seeing. I didn’t say anything about bans or unbans just that it’s boring.
Also how is it that burn stays at t1? What has the deck done in the last few months?
I 100% agree with this. Going to even an fnm and getting beat by people who misplay 4-8 times a game is very tilting. It happens because those players just know to grab the fastest winning deck and hope it makes up for their poor play. I know they stated that modern won’t change until after the pt but I can’t believe with decent players there now they haven’t talked to some of them about modern and how the pt will look. They’re likely hoping (IMO) that some team takes enough time to break the format again and things will get shaken up that way so they don’t have to deal with it. There is a reason that pros don’t like modern and it’s because how good of a magic player you are often doesn’t matter. Lsv will probably just luck it up again and top 8 though so that’s cool.
I think if there will be a ban it will be this time and then an unban would happen next. WOTC already said they don't plan on a shake up ban so if something is on the block they'll probably do it now. Then as the format is about to adjust slightly they'll unban something(s).
My guess is modern is here for about 7ish more years because with arena coming out there will have to be a new format that starts here at ixalan and goes forward. They already stated they'll have to have something for when standard rotates out of arena so that seems like the only likely option IMO.
Tec edge is too slow and dismember cost is too high vs tron imo.
I disagree, it's too slow for modern imo they printed this for the lands that are getting flipped into. Every deck in standard can run it and I'm sure they know that people need ways to interact with those powerful lands.
Idk I feel ok against both with my current deck. 4 blood moon main and 3 fulminator sb has been fine along with lifegain and a decent clock. Local guy here just won a pptq with infect too so there are plenty of options.
Where do you see this info?
You play leyline in any deck and just pray to have it out t0? What are you bring needles in for then?