ISBpathfinder, what are your thoughts on Ruinous Ultimatum? I know 7 mana is a lot but it destroys all nonland permanents your opponents’s control and I know you’re running Austere Command. It’s probably an easy replace, right?
Edit: Also what are your thoughts on Savai Triome?
What`s everyone thoughts on Contamination? It seems like a decent fit in this deck although you might occasionally not be able to cast a few non black vampires.
I guess it would be good if you ran a mono Black deck with Edgar, which is certainly doable. My list contains too many white and red cards.
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Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
But the best card against wrath’s is necropotence.
None of the cards you listed deal damage to the face of the opponent, but Eldrazi Monument and Zulaport Cutthroat do, and this deck wants to do.
Winter Orb is best in a deck with a lot of mana dorks and mana rocks, which this deck doesn’t have. I’d compare it to Stranglehold, a solid card that our deck doesn’t run.
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Tymna and Ravos WB
How about Zealous Persecution as a combat trick AND potential boardwipe? It basically encourages alpha strikes and once you use it, your opponents become very hesitant to block.
It's too midrangy for this tempo/aggro deck. Other cards that I'd compare it to(that I don't play) are:
It also doesn't help you if you have an empty board or if opponents have a bunch of big creatures. I guess if your meta has decks with a lot of x/1s it could be good.
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Tymna and Ravos WB
I’m going to add silent clearing but not sunbaked canyon. Arid Mesa and Sacred Foundry are the only Boros lands I run, since black mana is so important to the deck.
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Tymna and Ravos WB
Yeah and there's also Vampire of the Dire Moon - another B 1/1.
With these two (and probably few more to come) I'm recently thinking about cutting Stromkirk Noble to get as close to mono-black as possible - do you guys think it's a good idea to take our decks in this direction? My point is, we already want BBB for Necropotence, which takes impact on mana base so why not go all-in with it?
I think we want to run all the vampire 1 drops, including the 2 changelings; they’re so good with Edgar. I think that the vast majority of our lands should produce black mana, but we can still have red and white:
@NZB2323: I have no idea if Winds of abandon is of any use but I'm just going to try it out as I do sometimes want a one sided board wipe. I'm wondering how you deal with stuff like moat, Dueling Grounds, Propaganda, Spike Weaver or similar effects. I do feel like there are some permanents that we have to have an answer for….
I think Yawgmoth, Thran Physician has potential in this deck. Edgar produces tons of tokens to feed -1 life ability gaining us card draw and removing potential threats all at the same time. The proliferate ability is more niche but nice when your vamps have +1/+1 counters on them
My first thought was that it's worse than Skullclamp, but on second thought it does seem somewhat interesting. I guess it's main use will be sacking your entire board in response to a board wipe and achieve a similar effect as a Minions' Murmurs. It does provide some additional value as well. Might be worth trying.
If you kill a player all their permanents leave the battlefield. I think it’s better to go after players, especially since if you know what kind of deck they’re playing, you can kill them before they set up a pillowfort. Playing removal makes it much harder to be aggressive and carry out our game plan. When I first played this deck I played all sorts of removal, like:
And the result is the deck was worse, because instead of carrying out my game plan I was holding up removal. Now we have evens more choices in Winds of abandon, Despark, and Generous Gift. We don’t have counterspells snd we’re not playing a death and taxes/hatebear deck so we can’t have answers to everything. Captivating Vampire and Goblin Bombardment are amazing pieces of removal. Maybe I could afford to run 1 Anguished Unmaking.
What do you guys think of Charming Vampire? He only cost 2 mana and buffs our board, but seems like more of a control/long game card. Still, he has amazing synergy with:
Warriors:
Rouges:
Wizards:
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The only one of those that I run is Purphoros, who is never a creature in this deck.
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RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I don’t think any creatures who cost 3 mana and aren’t vampires are worth it.
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RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Edit: Also what are your thoughts on Savai Triome?
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I guess it would be good if you ran a mono Black deck with Edgar, which is certainly doable. My list contains too many white and red cards.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I also play fetches, shocks, and painlands, so the lifegain is very relevant.
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RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
If Cutthroat is on the field the same time as any of these cards and an opponent plays these cards:
Cutthroat can still provide value whereas selfless spirit does nothing. Also Cutthroat can help us get around cards like:
But the best card against wrath’s is necropotence.
None of the cards you listed deal damage to the face of the opponent, but Eldrazi Monument and Zulaport Cutthroat do, and this deck wants to do.
Winter Orb is best in a deck with a lot of mana dorks and mana rocks, which this deck doesn’t have. I’d compare it to Stranglehold, a solid card that our deck doesn’t run.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
It's too midrangy for this tempo/aggro deck. Other cards that I'd compare it to(that I don't play) are:
It also doesn't help you if you have an empty board or if opponents have a bunch of big creatures. I guess if your meta has decks with a lot of x/1s it could be good.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I think we want to run all the vampire 1 drops, including the 2 changelings; they’re so good with Edgar. I think that the vast majority of our lands should produce black mana, but we can still have red and white:
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Eldrazi Monument is the best answer to moat.
These cards are my answer to a pillowfort:
- Goblin bombardment
- Impact tremors
- Blood artist
- Cruel celebrant
- Zulaport Cutthroat
- Vindictive vampire
- Purphurous, God of the Forge
- Malakir Bloodwitch
.If you kill a player all their permanents leave the battlefield. I think it’s better to go after players, especially since if you know what kind of deck they’re playing, you can kill them before they set up a pillowfort. Playing removal makes it much harder to be aggressive and carry out our game plan. When I first played this deck I played all sorts of removal, like:
And the result is the deck was worse, because instead of carrying out my game plan I was holding up removal. Now we have evens more choices in Winds of abandon, Despark, and Generous Gift. We don’t have counterspells snd we’re not playing a death and taxes/hatebear deck so we can’t have answers to everything. Captivating Vampire and Goblin Bombardment are amazing pieces of removal. Maybe I could afford to run 1 Anguished Unmaking.
What do you guys think of Charming Vampire? He only cost 2 mana and buffs our board, but seems like more of a control/long game card. Still, he has amazing synergy with:
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB