Foodchains, you play combo decks and get upset when they win their dice roll and just solitaire their way to victory? Help me understand, it's how I have been interpreting your examples lately.
I don't get it, you keep saying decision making doesn't matter at all.
I don't particularly feel sorry seeing something like a Titanshift player losing the race to Storm.
We all talk about auto losses that fair decks take
But doesn't Tron and Titanshift have really popular matchups that are devastatingly bad?
And Storm, in my opinion, a top 3 deck, is a huge dog to burn. Burn. The most overrepresented deck I see in every tournament.
Even with the popularity of TBR in GDS, there's still a bunch of matchups Grixis dreads seeing...
If we had a true 50/50 deck, it would greatly hurt modern. It definitely wouldn't be a Winter Eldrazi, but I'd be shocked if meta shares didn't reach 15% to 20%.
Why shouldn't it, I'd be fine earning all my 50/50s if it meant no 30/70s
Even then, card variance is just a thing, as is dice roll.
I already said Storm and GDS are better decks. I said Jeskai, as of now, is a top 8 deck. Which Jeskai deck, I don't know, it can transition into what the expected meta is
And Earthbound just listed a bunch of lopsided matchups for Jeskai, more so than Jund had.
He also forgot to mention Company decks
Rossum, in his words, said that matchup is a joke.
You aren't posting objective, non-biased facts, just really odd opinions.
I'm sorry Jeskai has a few really lopsided matchups, like Tron, Titanshift, and especially dredge (probably it's hugest predator)
Sheridan already posted some fairly hopeful stats saying the matchup isn't some unwinnable monster.
If you're asking for a deck that can maintain it's position as the top deck of the meta for, well, ever, I don't think we can even have a conversation here.
Well Legacy has actually done that, along with Vintage. So it's not completely out of the question to demand a similar feature for Modern. Here I have to agree with cfusionpm, because that is a defining feature of a non-rotating format.
Yet from my recollection, it hasn't ever been an explicitly stated goal. To paraphrase I do believe Wizards has said they wanted Modern to be a transition point for powerful Standard decks, but never disclaiming that those decks could or would be permanently viable.
WOTC doesn't regulate those formats as much. If modern didn't exist, SDT would have been a long time ago, and with a most likely follow up of DRS, seeing as how he's in 50% of the decks in the meta.
If all your matches are 50/50 (or thereabouts), you don't have any "free wins." So hypothetically, you give up having free wins in order avoid having terrible matchups. Decks with horrendously bad matchups should be balanced by having about as many free win matchups too. It should be a risk/reward system. Want to play Storm? Cool, you take your unwinnable matchups alongside your totally free wins. Decks like Jeskai have a bunch of relatively even matchups, several really, really bad matchups, and very few (if any) "free-win" matchups. It's a high risk/low reward deck. It's fun to play, challenging, and engaging. But it has virtually no "free wins" to balance out it's laughably bad matchups (of which there are several in the top tiers). So it's probably not a good choice to bring to a large tournament unless you just cross your fingers to dodge/get lucky in your bad matchups.
Meanwhile,people write personal stories how they couldn't win and skirt around the idea that their deck can't be a true 50 50
You mean the people who've played these decks for years and know the matchups fairly well?
But you're frustrated that your deck lost, or lost from the die roll
I mean, I can literally count three games in one match this monday where I was on Abzan and my opponent was on Elves. Had he been on the play, he most likely would have won. Game 2, I was on the draw and certain had I been on the play instead of the backfoot, I would have won. Game 3 I destroyed every mana dork until I had pressure and a removal to play in one turn to win.
Your deck has a ton of 50/50s, 45/55s, 55/45, 40/60 and 60/40s
Blue players should be thrilled. I don't see articles by John Rosum, Firer, Jones, Ali Anzi or Ben Nikovitch talk this down...
At this point, it's really coming from this thread
I'm...a little disheartened how long people have been upset about the state of blue.
Jeskai is the new Jund, and it's slower, clunkier version is similar to Abzan. These two decks have a lot of game against everything. Jund and Junk had it's weaknesses, too, and when blue is finally good we have some people, especially in this thread say, "oh, but it's bad against big mana"
I'm convinced a lot of blue players at MTGsalvation won't be happy until FOW, a 2 mana blue counter, and brainstorm is legal, all at the same time. It's kind of unbelievable.
For some reason, in mtgsalvation, a lot of people attack jund and junk players, but if you look in the threads and on the Facebook community, they really aren't complaining at all. I can't speak for your personal metas and the people you know in person, but the online portion of GBx players aren't whining and demanding to be tier 1. GBx players are still jamming their deck regardless of lacking raw power to be in tier 1, or they moved onto some form of Shadow or Jeskai.
Jeskai is a true tier 1 deck, and it's been like that for half a year now. I'm sorry you dislike feeling helpless against Titanshift, but guess what, when Jund was king, we felt the same way.
I truly believe Jeskai is easily a top 8 deck in modern.
It's something like
Grixis Shadow, Storm, Whir Lantern. I believe those decks are the three best, and then I believe the rest is something like, in no order, Jeskai, Tron variant, Titanshift, Affinity, Burn.
I love some of the actual data I get from this thread...but some of this thread is really discouraging as a player of this format with all these personal stories.
Instead, for some reason, your resident GBx player seems to be it's biggest supporter of blue midrange/control while once in a while, someone attacks old Jund players. I haven't complained about GBx once in months, even if I would personally love a BBE unban.
I just don't get what there is this mentality to see blue decks fail.
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If this is your FNM, perhaps that was a bad meta decision
I'm glad people can cite these scenarios but not ones where they face
Affinity
Company
Burn
Humans
I've showed up my FNM with DnT and Shadow decks with limited experience and bombed, too...
Caleb has shown even a solitaire deck can matter, he's not accidentally hitting top 8 or top 32s of all these Opens
Company decks, Abzan, jund, jeskai of all flavors, a little dredge in postboard games, Affinity, Humans
Honestly, a ton of decks. Even burn, which I don't respect at all.
There's some decks I can't stand, like Titanshift---I don't find anything skillful about that deck and it lacks decision trees.
But, yeah, a ton of decks have decisions that matter. Sometimes it does come down to a dice roll, but the game has variance.
I don't get it, you keep saying decision making doesn't matter at all.
I don't particularly feel sorry seeing something like a Titanshift player losing the race to Storm.
But doesn't Tron and Titanshift have really popular matchups that are devastatingly bad?
And Storm, in my opinion, a top 3 deck, is a huge dog to burn. Burn. The most overrepresented deck I see in every tournament.
Even with the popularity of TBR in GDS, there's still a bunch of matchups Grixis dreads seeing...
If we had a true 50/50 deck, it would greatly hurt modern. It definitely wouldn't be a Winter Eldrazi, but I'd be shocked if meta shares didn't reach 15% to 20%.
Why shouldn't it, I'd be fine earning all my 50/50s if it meant no 30/70s
Even then, card variance is just a thing, as is dice roll.
Instead of us going back and forth, I'm going to post this, if you decide to sit through it it's straight out of their mouths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIQZ__2hWVc&t=64s
...I mean, Firer and Rosum both said the matchup is a nightmare and even worse than E-Tron. I'm inclined to believe them more
And Earthbound just listed a bunch of lopsided matchups for Jeskai, more so than Jund had.
He also forgot to mention Company decks
Rossum, in his words, said that matchup is a joke.
You aren't posting objective, non-biased facts, just really odd opinions.
I'm sorry Jeskai has a few really lopsided matchups, like Tron, Titanshift, and especially dredge (probably it's hugest predator)
Sheridan already posted some fairly hopeful stats saying the matchup isn't some unwinnable monster.
WOTC doesn't regulate those formats as much. If modern didn't exist, SDT would have been a long time ago, and with a most likely follow up of DRS, seeing as how he's in 50% of the decks in the meta.
Jund was a top 3 deck for years and had a really long run.
You're not proving me wrong at all.
Give me a break
This was exactly what Jund was two years ago
This is literally what has happened to standard.
But you're frustrated that your deck lost, or lost from the die roll
I mean, I can literally count three games in one match this monday where I was on Abzan and my opponent was on Elves. Had he been on the play, he most likely would have won. Game 2, I was on the draw and certain had I been on the play instead of the backfoot, I would have won. Game 3 I destroyed every mana dork until I had pressure and a removal to play in one turn to win.
Your deck has a ton of 50/50s, 45/55s, 55/45, 40/60 and 60/40s
Blue players should be thrilled. I don't see articles by John Rosum, Firer, Jones, Ali Anzi or Ben Nikovitch talk this down...
At this point, it's really coming from this thread
I'm...a little disheartened how long people have been upset about the state of blue.
Jeskai is the new Jund, and it's slower, clunkier version is similar to Abzan. These two decks have a lot of game against everything. Jund and Junk had it's weaknesses, too, and when blue is finally good we have some people, especially in this thread say, "oh, but it's bad against big mana"
I'm convinced a lot of blue players at MTGsalvation won't be happy until FOW, a 2 mana blue counter, and brainstorm is legal, all at the same time. It's kind of unbelievable.
For some reason, in mtgsalvation, a lot of people attack jund and junk players, but if you look in the threads and on the Facebook community, they really aren't complaining at all. I can't speak for your personal metas and the people you know in person, but the online portion of GBx players aren't whining and demanding to be tier 1. GBx players are still jamming their deck regardless of lacking raw power to be in tier 1, or they moved onto some form of Shadow or Jeskai.
Jeskai is a true tier 1 deck, and it's been like that for half a year now. I'm sorry you dislike feeling helpless against Titanshift, but guess what, when Jund was king, we felt the same way.
I truly believe Jeskai is easily a top 8 deck in modern.
It's something like
Grixis Shadow, Storm, Whir Lantern. I believe those decks are the three best, and then I believe the rest is something like, in no order, Jeskai, Tron variant, Titanshift, Affinity, Burn.
I love some of the actual data I get from this thread...but some of this thread is really discouraging as a player of this format with all these personal stories.
Instead, for some reason, your resident GBx player seems to be it's biggest supporter of blue midrange/control while once in a while, someone attacks old Jund players. I haven't complained about GBx once in months, even if I would personally love a BBE unban.
I just don't get what there is this mentality to see blue decks fail.