I play blue, because I want to at least 'think' that I always have a shot of pulling one out of the fire.
So yeah, this last ban announcement, and the data they showed, certainly reflects on this. I would KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL for the old MTGO data on Twin's win rates before ban.
I hope this Standard ban update puts to rest the absurd desires for a 50/50+ deck in Modern. The entire banlist update is a wholesale indictment of this style of deck, just in case you needed another one after all the other examples I and others have cited. The mythical 50/50+ deck will never exist in a competitive format without an eventual ban intervention. People who want this aren't just out of touch with Modern, they are also out of touch with Magic generally.
I think if Temur/Temur Black Energy and Ramunap Red were 10-12% of the meta, we'd be having very different conversations. There should be nothing, NOTHING inherently wrong with a 50/50-like deck. The problems arise when decks like that become disproportionately oppressive to the metas, like Energy being 50% of the format, or Saheeli decks being 60%. It's a totally different scenario when you have literally half of all players playing a deck, compared to 1 in 10.
I agree there is nothing inherently or philosophically wrong with this kind of deck. I see their appeal, as a competitive player. Unfortunately, the problem is that if these decks do exist, people slowly flock to them because they become the best choice for a skilled/competitive-minded player. The argument here has never been "50/50+ decks are inherently bad." The argument is "50/50+ decks eventually become the best choice and warp the format." That is what Wizards has said in the past, notably Stoddard, and that is why we don't get to have those decks. Whenever a 50/50+ deck exists in a competitive format and it is discovered, players will gravitate to that deck and its metagame share will be too high. Wizards yet again confirmed this in the current update, where they banned Ranumap Red cards because of its win percentages, not its small metagame share.
I think this is important, and should be pinned somewhere. I know I'll be thinking on it, because I think its got a ring of undeniable truth to it...
I haven't watched that YouTube yet, but I still think Dredge is manageable.
I mean that rundown of a 1-3 night is not at all new to URx players, but there are cards that can help those.
And if you don't draw those cards, you probably lose. This is the nature of most really swingy matchups that rely on narrow hate cards. :/
Also, GreatNate's video is basically a podcast. Great to listen to on a commute or something.
Sure, but...when you do, sometimes its free win time, and as we all know, you need free wins to make it through a big event. Thats just part of Modern, and I'm ok with that. When you DO hit your hate and you STILL lose, (hi eldrazi tron!) thats when I start producing the salt.
Honestly other than the land matters decks, (Titanshift, all but U Tron) I feel every deck I've played with and against, even burn, has choices and paths that are interesting and varied.
I also think the 'free wins' for UWR are overrated. Feasting on the jank is about all you can hope for, and that's fine to me.
The only issue I have, is a personal bias against Tron and Eldrazi. I despise those decks and simply hate to have to sit across from them, and not because they are bad for what I want to play, but because I hate their style. Desperately.
@ktkenshinx plus jeskai gets to have an even better matchup vs all kind of creature decks, like humans, affinity, coco decks compared to uw, gds or jund.
So, there you are, trading something for something else. Its the circle of life.
In a specific metagame like that, jeskai is the better choice.
The deck is fully playable and those two guys finetuned it also greatly.
I was telling you for almost half a year that Jeskai was a good deck...
I never said it deserves the tier 1 spot. Being playable and being a true tier 1 are two different things though.
There are probably 50 Modern 'playable' decks...so being playable is well and good, but not if the majority of the field you face isnt even fun (subjectively) to play with and against.
I play blue, because I want to at least 'think' that I always have a shot of pulling one out of the fire.
So yeah, this last ban announcement, and the data they showed, certainly reflects on this. I would KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL for the old MTGO data on Twin's win rates before ban.
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I think this is important, and should be pinned somewhere. I know I'll be thinking on it, because I think its got a ring of undeniable truth to it...
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What? I dont know, I think you may need one, I dont see anything toxic here.
Sure, but...when you do, sometimes its free win time, and as we all know, you need free wins to make it through a big event. Thats just part of Modern, and I'm ok with that. When you DO hit your hate and you STILL lose, (hi eldrazi tron!) thats when I start producing the salt.
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I mean that rundown of a 1-3 night is not at all new to URx players, but there are cards that can help those.
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I'll watch that actually, thanks!
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If expecting it though, I doubt they would say its a 'nightmare' may a 40/60 dog at worst.
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The only issue I have, is a personal bias against Tron and Eldrazi. I despise those decks and simply hate to have to sit across from them, and not because they are bad for what I want to play, but because I hate their style. Desperately.
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Between RIP, Anger, Path, I mean when expected is it an issue?
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There are probably 50 Modern 'playable' decks...so being playable is well and good, but not if the majority of the field you face isnt even fun (subjectively) to play with and against.
Who? Who are these people who write about how they couldnt win even with a true 50/50 deck?
I keep seeing these sniping comments, and I'm struggling to figure out if people are talking about me?
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No, its directed at myself, or anyone else who is dissatisfied, who are expressing opinions because ktk asked for them.
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There are good decks for everyone, quite literally.
10 Tier 1 Decks, across the spectrum of archetypes.
15 Tier 2 Decks, across the spectrum of archetypes.
Some of these 'decks' are not even a single deck, UWR Tempo, is not UWR Control, is not UWR Kiki.
If you dont like the angle of the conversation, why post?
ktk asked why people are frustrated, he is getting answers.
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