We've seen some Vial/Company ideas here, but 3 Vials trigger me so much hahaha. Also, my love for 4 Rattlechains and 4 Selfless Spirits is unconditional, at least until we get more sexy spirits.
It should prevent flooding out, while also guaranteeing enough coloured sources to be playable. Horizon canopy acts as a plains that grants an additional redraw later in game
Btw Tron is a difficult matchup but not nearly as bad as terminus (miracles), elves, hardened scales affinity or primeval titan decks
Have you test this manabase this days? I'm really curious about your results.
I am not sure how to deal with bridge or boggles out side of worship. I put in 3 Leyline because I was struggling with Scapeshift. What do you think about going down the leylines, +1 Worship and +2 Disenchants or Detention Spheres?
The biggest take away is that spirits in both variants is a fringe archetype no more.
It would be interesting to know the actual winrates of each list, because in a team event the result of a team might not reflect the individual scores.
Thanks to Wizards, the only way to know that is to ask directly to the Spirits players :/
Topplegeist is quite strong in a Tallowisp Build wich just git stronger with Metamorphic Alteration.
In that Build Topplegeist serves as a 1 drop to trigger tallowisp+an easy body to alter+a control tool. In fact enchantments just happen to be an unusual card type.
The last time I played a tallowisp build it was something like this
I'll make a shamefaced admission: I have run Kami of False Hope as a 1 drop main. Works fine early, stops alpha strikes later and allows us to swing in seemingly giving an opponent the free kill on the swing back, only to crush them.
If aggression is desired, there is a strong case to be made for Cloudfin Raptor. Our deck essentially guarantees that it gets bigger and bigger up to maybe a 5/6 in some games, since the power and toughness of the creature entering wwill be that of it's Lord buff. It sort of works out as our flying champion of the Parish. At the ever least, it ought to go to 1/2, 2/3 very easily and 3/4 should be frequent.
My shamefaced admission: Topplegeist is my fetish card and I've tried a lot of ways to enable delirium for him, but it's really hard in a vial deck atm.
You guys have mentioned a lot of nice posible one drops. I really want to play a faster version of U/W Vial with 8 CMC1 creatures.
I've off-and-on tried non-spirits in that slot, like Thraben Inspector, Opt, Serum Visions and Spell Pierce, all of which were okay but not great. Pierce was a house against combo decks and sometimes control decks, but very poor against creature decks and a bad topdeck late-game. Inspector was okay but pretty much just a chump blocker, which is not a great synergistic fit. The lack of being pumped by the Lords makes it not very good vs. combo or control. I may actually try Topplegiest as a 2-of, just to see if it's worth it (I doubt it but haven't tried it yet)...
What about Judge's Familiar? It's like a honorary spirit, and increases the chance of turn 1 Vial -> turn 2 drop a CMC2 spirit into Vial CMC1 creature. He protects your early turns and put some extra damage to be a little more aggro. Also it fix a little more the "I have nothing to do on turn one" hands.
i'm not running image anymore. The card is good but i can't find space for it. My 2x flex slots are currently 2x curious obsession but they could be images.
I'm not sure if running them is still right, i was always under the impression that they were filler until we got another 2 drop, which we got now...
I'm with you, I don't like it anymore. We can make pretty cool tricks, like vial Phantasmal Image into Spell Queller, but I think that this kind of kawaii interactions are inconsistent, and we don't have broken ETB triggers to copy at sorcery speed like humans. Personally, I'd be really happy if we get a real spirit in Return to Return to Ravnica to replace Phantasmal Image
Against them it's important to build up a fast board in order to stop the bleeding from creatures, and start clocking the opponent asap.
trades between creatures are good as long as they allow us to prolong the game and get to cast our other creatures, and supreme phantom is key in this role because it stops burn's creatures effectively.
Mausoleum Wanderer and Spell queller can interact with spells and can net some amount of virtual lifegain.
Obviously if the matchup is a concern i invite you to build a manabase that minimizes the need of fetching and shocking.
Interesting.
Have you test this manabase this days? I'm really curious about your results.
WOW, I did'n see that kawaii spirit before, Surveil HYPE!
If you look closely, you can see a lot of possible spirits in the card, and that'd fit with the flavor text
List:
http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/123381
https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gppra18/8-0-decklists-grand-prix-prague-2018-2018-08-26
It's nice to see good results in general. I can't wait to next spoilers season hahaha.
PS: I can't see the tool editors to embed kawaii content
Video:
UW Spirits - Modern - August 16th, 2018
Decklist:
https://www.streamdecker.com/deck/SJeI9hSQUX
He said that maybe a No-Vial version could be interesting, using 24 lands with more disruption.
-3 Leyline of Sanctity
+2 Echoing Truth
+1 Hurkyl's Recall
Thanks to Wizards, the only way to know that is to ask directly to the Spirits players :/
This is the link for all decks (3 Bant Spirits included):
Put Smuggler's Copter to enable some sweet delirum hahaha.
Guys, do you think that Ghostly Prison SB could work against wide aggro? Especially if you play Nebelgast Herald MB.
My shamefaced admission: Topplegeist is my fetish card and I've tried a lot of ways to enable delirium for him, but it's really hard in a vial deck atm.
You guys have mentioned a lot of nice posible one drops. I really want to play a faster version of U/W Vial with 8 CMC1 creatures.
What about Judge's Familiar? It's like a honorary spirit, and increases the chance of turn 1 Vial -> turn 2 drop a CMC2 spirit into Vial CMC1 creature. He protects your early turns and put some extra damage to be a little more aggro. Also it fix a little more the "I have nothing to do on turn one" hands.
I'm with you, I don't like it anymore. We can make pretty cool tricks, like vial Phantasmal Image into Spell Queller, but I think that this kind of kawaii interactions are inconsistent, and we don't have broken ETB triggers to copy at sorcery speed like humans. Personally, I'd be really happy if we get a real spirit in Return to Return to Ravnica to replace Phantasmal Image
What do you think about a couple of Favorable Winds or a couple of Remorseful Cleric MB?
Other easy to cast options are Burrenton Forge-Tender, Azorius Herald and Disenchant that destroys Ensnaring Bridge and Eidolon of the Great Revel