@Az: what I am talking about is this:
“But here and now, I don't trust him one bit. Not because he's reckless, because that has nothing to do with whether or not he's right. I don't trust him because he keeps trying to lie to make his case, keeps doing that thing that scum do where they're so desperate to make a point stick, that they read completely innocent behavior as something else entirely, and twist people's points 180 degrees because they're not even bothering to try to actually understand them. Yeah, Iso is untrustworthy. Not because he's a bad townie, but because he's not even close to measuring up to even an average townie level of performance, much less coming anywhere close to playing like one of the finest town players I've ever played beside. ”
That whole paragraph makes no sense because the reason you don’t trust Iso (if you’re town) is that you know he’s scum. I get the pointing out stuff for me idea, but your wording makes this look like one big lue.
Ehm Azrael I have a big issue with your last post. You’re spending a whole alinea talking about why you don’t trust Iso in this particular game, while for you as town, it’s completely clear-cut that he’s scum.
I think you’re trying to type what you think I should be thinking about Iso, instead of giving your own honest thoughts. Which doesn’t feel like something town would be doing at all.
I seriously see cases against and for both of you.
Iso seemed a bit too eager to have me vote, shows some pocketing and a bit of reaching / painting a scum picture.
Azrael is a bit defensive, uses self-meta, shows a bit of pocketing too.
The problem is that one of you knows the other is scum, and that explains a lot of behaviour, making most of what I read NAI.
I’m still waiting on input from my teammates before I’m making a fonal decision.
Also, I would disagree that what's said is NAI if you see the inconsistencies that I highlighted in Azrael's mindset as well as his approach to arguing about me - that he shouldn't care about the way I do things as town, because as town, he would logically not even be considering that angle. The only reason he could possibly have to make you think, "Well, Iso isn't reliable as town" is if he's scum.
Gah this is hard. I’m not allowed to use half of what is said to base conclusions off.
I know both of you pretty well, and everything that has been said is NAI. Both of you are trying to discredit the other, which makes sense as both alignments in this case because one of you knows the other is scum and the other has to pretend to know the one is scum. Both of you are using a bit of AtE.
I have thought about the early vote tactic, and I am town (pro Iso), but I decided against it because it pushes win chances below 50% unless you’re sold the one you’re voting is scum.
What worries me is... how sure can Iso have been after so few posts? And the early reasoning is based on something I was told to ignore.
What worries me about Az is that weird slow-roll vote on Iso.
I also don’t know what questions I can ask you to make a more informed judgement.
Currently I am leaning towards voting Iso. I’m waiting for input of my teammates.
Cool a lot of information for me to process.
I’m on a city trip in Krakow and getting ready for our Auswitsch visit, so I’ll have to postpone thorough reading a bit. Skimming is not enough in this case
*fingers crossed*
“But here and now, I don't trust him one bit. Not because he's reckless, because that has nothing to do with whether or not he's right. I don't trust him because he keeps trying to lie to make his case, keeps doing that thing that scum do where they're so desperate to make a point stick, that they read completely innocent behavior as something else entirely, and twist people's points 180 degrees because they're not even bothering to try to actually understand them. Yeah, Iso is untrustworthy. Not because he's a bad townie, but because he's not even close to measuring up to even an average townie level of performance, much less coming anywhere close to playing like one of the finest town players I've ever played beside. ”
That whole paragraph makes no sense because the reason you don’t trust Iso (if you’re town) is that you know he’s scum. I get the pointing out stuff for me idea, but your wording makes this look like one big lue.
I think you’re trying to type what you think I should be thinking about Iso, instead of giving your own honest thoughts. Which doesn’t feel like something town would be doing at all.
Iso seemed a bit too eager to have me vote, shows some pocketing and a bit of reaching / painting a scum picture.
Azrael is a bit defensive, uses self-meta, shows a bit of pocketing too.
The problem is that one of you knows the other is scum, and that explains a lot of behaviour, making most of what I read NAI.
I’m still waiting on input from my teammates before I’m making a fonal decision.
@Az: why do you feel the need to explain me what town!you should be doing?
Can you stop making sense already? You aren’t making my decision any easier
@Az: you never debunked this
But you always think I’m scum. What made me town this time?
I know both of you pretty well, and everything that has been said is NAI. Both of you are trying to discredit the other, which makes sense as both alignments in this case because one of you knows the other is scum and the other has to pretend to know the one is scum. Both of you are using a bit of AtE.
I have thought about the early vote tactic, and I am town (pro Iso), but I decided against it because it pushes win chances below 50% unless you’re sold the one you’re voting is scum.
What worries me is... how sure can Iso have been after so few posts? And the early reasoning is based on something I was told to ignore.
What worries me about Az is that weird slow-roll vote on Iso.
I also don’t know what questions I can ask you to make a more informed judgement.
Currently I am leaning towards voting Iso. I’m waiting for input of my teammates.
Why are you pushing me for a decision Iso?
I’m on a city trip in Krakow and getting ready for our Auswitsch visit, so I’ll have to postpone thorough reading a bit. Skimming is not enough in this case
Well we are influencing those in private chats anyways. It would be a bit weird to be able to form conclusions there but not use them here.