(and if Osie is actually somehow town they're dead weight + WILL be lynched to lose the game. I can't see a reason to keep that around)
Says the player who openly refuses to do work in thread.
It's players like you that ruin the health of forums because nobody joins games with them in it.
Yikes.
I get it, it's frustrating because like. Either you're a villager and he's pushing you with the kind of posts he is, or you're a wolf, and he's correct for what seems like no reason, but let's avoid this kind of toxicity. It's been a pretty good game in that regard and let's try to keep it that way, yeah?
Yeah, I shouldn't escalate the bad posting.
Well, things should get interesting there anyways if I'm not lynched tomorrow.
(and if Osie is actually somehow town they're dead weight + WILL be lynched to lose the game. I can't see a reason to keep that around)
Says the player who openly refuses to do work in thread.
It's players like you that ruin the health of forums because nobody joins games with them in it.
Yikes.
I get it, it's frustrating because like. Either you're a villager and he's pushing you with the kind of posts he is, or you're a wolf, and he's correct for what seems like no reason, but let's avoid this kind of toxicity. It's been a pretty good game in that regard and let's try to keep it that way, yeah?
Yeah, I shouldn't escalate the bad posting.
Well, things should get interesting there anyways if I'm not lynched tomorrow.
He was complaining about the game playing 'sheep the lurkers', when we were both voting for Grapefruit along with him at the time, and the rest of my scum team minus him was his exact same scum team PoE. It just didn't/doesn't feel like he was critically thinking about the game, and it's a lot more likely to come from a wolf.
That is not what I was talking about at the time, but whatever.
I have not been very invested in the game for most of it. If you think that's more likely to come from me as scum, go read the games I linked.
But if you "acknowledge it's possible [you] can be conf-biasing a tunnel into the interaction," then that gives you zero pause on emphatically declaring over and over and over and over again that I'm definitely scum and definitely partners with Grape? I don't get you here.
Still pretty busy in and out of work to the point of maintaining V/LA, but I should be around after the weekend as previously mentioned. The strings holding life and health together are a bit thicker right now than they were half a week ago.
I don't know how to stop being a potato right now.
Osie I'm clearly going to be voting for you and it doesn't matter right now. I'd rather not have stupid accidental hammers since apparently we're capable of that. Plus I get to be a decider when I vote and I love that feeling.
Sounds like you think there's some likelihood that I'm town if you think there'd be a 6 vote hammer at 3 votes.
I do think there is some likelihood, just a low amount of it. And it's more that I want other people to vote/want actual discussion for the day. And I'm semihoping I get some wim at some point to affirm all my beliefs.
If I vote you go to four along with grape.
Meh I probably don't have a reason to not be voting for you right now but I'm just holding off.
What does "wim" mean? It was used at another point and I figured it was just a typo in context.
Ah, true. 4, not 3. But Grape is voting me, and people off-wagon have expressed in general wanting to lynch Grape. So I don't get it.
yo Osie can you focus on a few points you actually care about asking me about and maybe indicate what you're hoping to gain? me engaging in busywork and wrecking my thumbs isn't going to suddenly spew my alignment lmfao I think my answers to like most of your questions are either in my ISO or obvious so focus on what will actually help with whatever you're working on
Why is asking you to explain your reads so difficult for you? I'm not asking for a 1200 word essay, just a short explanation on each of your other reads instead of just saying "I townread this person" or "I scumlean this person."
Whatever.
Okay sure, here's an abbreviated list of questions:
Why are you scumleaning Titus and what in particular changed for you that made you stop liking them?
What is your read on Tubba and why?
What do you think about Voxx and Titus's reads on you and the lack of other people's reads on you, and why?
I don't know how to stop being a potato right now.
Osie I'm clearly going to be voting for you and it doesn't matter right now. I'd rather not have stupid accidental hammers since apparently we're capable of that. Plus I get to be a decider when I vote and I love that feeling.
Sounds like you think there's some likelihood that I'm town if you think there'd be a 6 vote hammer at 3 votes.
Combining a bunch of posts into one to avoid aggressive multiposting.
About Voxxicus:
Voxx sort-of addresses a point that I made (#128) in #132 in defense of himself.
Day 1, Voxx talks about me in a couple posts, a very noncommittal townread mostly based on me and scarlet, then makes it clear that he expects me to be lynched Day 2, even though he's townreading me, then goes back to the noncommittal townread.
Day 2 he jokes about RE using her ability and me not reading the flip, then in #1167 says "I think he's town but I'm not sure." Then he makes a sizable post #1170 where he at least implies that I'm probably a mislynch (given his self-declared ongoing townread at the time, that seems like the correct way to read these posts). He doubles down on that in 1174.
And then he flips based on PoE, while emphasizing that he's "pretty sure" about his townreads. I still don't get where that certainty comes from and Voxx seems to not want to address it or something.
But then he starts putting detail into his read on me in 1234. Which he prefaces with saying that he's very uncertain about his read on me. But in the SAME POST, he states that he thinks he "managed to solve the game." This is the same problem I had with Ara's townread on me. Is he certain or uncertain?
Looks like Ara did in fact respond to the first question I asked. Not as great as responding to multiple of the non-questionnaire questions but oh well.
@Celeste: Could you go into depth on your current reads on Empoof and Trobaslot? Also, what does DV think about my alignment?
@the worst, others:
I already went over who is most likely to read me well on the teams:
I kinda brought this up with Ara about RWSO, but in general, how I'm thinking about the teams, without going into what's going on in other games:
I don't think I've played with anyone on Voxx's team for any significant period of time. They all have some reputation for being former MTGS backbone of very skilled players though, especially Voxx and Newcomb.
I've played in one town game with Tammy and Nacho when I was particularly new to the game. Tammy and Nacho were both solid. I had a slightly negative experience in terms of Gemma, but that was mostly due to her inactivity as scum in a game I helped host and lashing out afterwards when confronted about it.
I have only recent games with Vezok, but they analyze some things startlingly well as town and are solid on strategizing as either alignment. Wheat I've only experienced as a mod or reviewer, but he knows his stuff when active enough to rock it.
I've played a decent amount with KJ and kpaca, and 1 non-ongoing game with Tubba. Kpaca is fun and really solid. He has some chance of being able to read me, though I think my reads on him are a bit better despite a notable experience gap... I kinda managed to psychoanalyse him in our first two games together... KJ is very good a lot of the time but sometimes has issues of balancing confidence with effort and nervousness. KJ often tunnels on me incorrectly due to misreading flailing on my part, but has some ability to read me after a number of games together. Tubba struck me as not knowing what he was doing and still getting his bearings. Not sure if that has changed since then or not. I see no reason why Tubba would have any confidence in a read on me whatsoever.
RWSO was in Two Takes It, my scum game, with me. The game was awkward since I ended up moderating him in the middle of it, but he played decently when he was there and has some idea of my scum game. Ara I've talked about having looked up some. I know nothing about Lissa.
I've played a lot with everyone on Grapefruit's team. Rhand is solid as either alignment and has a scarily sharp and inquisitive town game. Cantripmancer has some lurking difficulties but is one of my top 5 players that I've experienced as either alignment and some of my play is inspired by him. Grape I talked about but his skill hides his actual relatively low (only slightly more than mine) amount of time playing. He's very impressive as both alignments when trying. I've only been town in games with these players.
I know nothing about Troba's team. May have read a game with sheep in it at some point.
DV and Last are both personal friends who have played in a number of games with me, especially DV. Last is harder for me to read due to his personal brand of flail, but I think I mostly have a grasp on it. DV I've talked with and played with and against a lot and we've recently started to at least be able to regularly townfirm each other, outside of potentially ongoing games. Celeste I have only played with or read (mostly due to moderating others) in a couple games but she seemed to be very solid, albeit regularly emotional from the games and prone to rigid tunnels.
Tom and Shadow are in my top 3 players by skill and just enjoying playing with them. And one or both have been in or talked with me about pretty much every game I've been involved in, especially on MTGS. I think of both as good friends. Tom tends to hide his alignment either way behind lots of NAI posting but has some tells with regards to confidence and motivation that you can see if you know what to look for. Shadow is scary good at looking like he's town as either alignment and an investigative ability should probably be used on him. He's particularly good at lonewolfing. Empoof I don't remember well, but I only hosted a micro with him in it a while back. He has a bit of a reputation for being very skilled, in part for similar reasons to Ara but with more notoriety as well.
I know nothing about Roz. Shinichi is mostly an open book due to a lot of interactions both in games and out of games as both alignments. I'm not entirely sure if that goes both ways, though. He probably still is mad at me as always. (I kid.) RE I've only particularly thought about as town in games I've been in, but I have been in Live Mafia with her some and she had a decent scumgame from what I can recall. One of the most cordial players I've ever met in any game.
The game I was in with Kanji and Nancy is ongoing. Titus is unfamiliar to me.
Vaimes has a very solid town game and a decent scumgame, when he gets going. He's particularly weak on Day 1s though, to a fault. I've only played with him when I was town. I know nothing about the other two members of that team.
That can give people an idea of my relation to teammates and who might have some ability to assist you with your reading of me in this game.
Gotta go.
Here's everything I could find online in terms of non-ongoing games for those people who like meta reads.
Osie, I like you as a player, I think you're kind of refreshing, but if you're w/w with Grape this game like I think you are, this is like... a textbook example of how /not/ to interact with a partner.
Not sure what to say to you here. I mean, I've given my reads and I haven't really gotten much in the way of questions on them. I'm kinda just so tired of this same old at this point. Like, I almost want to just advocate for you to lynch me over Grape just to get this game over with faster so I can go back to hosting and reviewing and not being scumread as town.
@Titus understand this is making me slightly paranoid that you're trying to derail the Osie wagon for other reasons
but you're also correct which is so frustrating
If you instantly think they are correct, why are you still voting me over Grape?
No.
Or otherwise dead.
Raisins.
Yeah, I shouldn't escalate the bad posting.
Well, things should get interesting there anyways if I'm not lynched tomorrow.
Says the player who openly refuses to do work in thread.
It's players like you that ruin the health of forums because nobody joins games with them in it.
That is not what I was talking about at the time, but whatever.
I have not been very invested in the game for most of it. If you think that's more likely to come from me as scum, go read the games I linked.
But if you "acknowledge it's possible [you] can be conf-biasing a tunnel into the interaction," then that gives you zero pause on emphatically declaring over and over and over and over again that I'm definitely scum and definitely partners with Grape? I don't get you here.
Still pretty busy in and out of work to the point of maintaining V/LA, but I should be around after the weekend as previously mentioned. The strings holding life and health together are a bit thicker right now than they were half a week ago.
Unvote
Stop trying to stifle discussion.
V/LA until Sunday, July 12th due to personal reasons (and work).
I'm fine with being replaced if necessary/preferred.
What does "wim" mean? It was used at another point and I figured it was just a typo in context.
Ah, true. 4, not 3. But Grape is voting me, and people off-wagon have expressed in general wanting to lynch Grape. So I don't get it.
Why is asking you to explain your reads so difficult for you? I'm not asking for a 1200 word essay, just a short explanation on each of your other reads instead of just saying "I townread this person" or "I scumlean this person."
Whatever.
Okay sure, here's an abbreviated list of questions:
Sounds like you think there's some likelihood that I'm town if you think there'd be a 6 vote hammer at 3 votes.
About Voxxicus:
Looks like Ara did in fact respond to the first question I asked. Not as great as responding to multiple of the non-questionnaire questions but oh well.
@Celeste: Could you go into depth on your current reads on Empoof and Trobaslot? Also, what does DV think about my alignment?
@the worst, others:
I already went over who is most likely to read me well on the teams:
Here's everything I could find online in terms of non-ongoing games for those people who like meta reads.
Avalon (Not really Mafia) - My ISO (I was town.)
Revolution - My ISO (I was town.)
Horsemen of the Apocalypse - My ISO (I was town.)
Two Takes It - My ISO (I was scum.)
Maelstrom of Alara - My ISO (I was town.)
OTG III - My ISO (I was town.)
Russian Roulette (Not really Mafia) - My ISO (I was town.)
Dark and Stormy - My ISO (I was town.)
Zero Escape (Good luck on this one) - My ISO (I was town.)
Pg 32
Pg 34
Pg 36
Pg 44
Pg 50
Pg 51
Pg 54
Pg 57
Pg 60
Pg 1
Pg 2
Pg 3
Pg 4
Pg 7
Pg 12
Pg 14
Pg 15
Pg 20
Pg 21
Pg 25
Pg 26
Pg 63
Pg 65
Pg 66
Pg 68
Pg 71
Pg 74
Pg 77
Pg 80
Pg 84
Pg 89
Lights Out 3 - My ISO (I was Town.)
OTG IV - My ISO (I was Town.)
The Resistance (Not Really Mafia) - My ISO (I was Town.)
@Empoof: You've been hard scumreading both active wagons for a while now, why aren't you voting either of us?
Not sure what to say to you here. I mean, I've given my reads and I haven't really gotten much in the way of questions on them. I'm kinda just so tired of this same old at this point. Like, I almost want to just advocate for you to lynch me over Grape just to get this game over with faster so I can go back to hosting and reviewing and not being scumread as town.
If you instantly think they are correct, why are you still voting me over Grape?