Singleton Plague Mare being an all star tonight. Might up it to two depending on how the meta plays out. On a side note im really surprised at the lack of performance from mono green stompy. I thought for sure Nullhide Ferox was gonna be a format all star.
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
I'm having trouble finding a perfect list as I don't think there is one. The lists being published from mtgo are all really different and I've been testing the hell out of all of them. What I've come across so far that I wanna share
This format as a whole is VERY grindy and dependent on two-for-oneing your oponnent on a regular basis. If you run out of gas with decks like this and Red Frenzy running around you will get blown out of the water nearly every match. For this reason alone I do not think one drop creatures are needed in this deck aside from if you choose to go the Llanowar Elf route to ensure turn 3 Chupacabra's or turn 4-5 relic seekers, though if you're slamming relic seeker that early you're probably doing something wrong. That being said
NOT PLAYING RELIC SEEKER IS A MISTAKE and we do not need 4 main deck Trophy's. I feel the correct direction with this deck is grinding your opponent out with incremental card advantage and finishing with Planeswalkers.
Enough spot removal thats cheap and early on is essential as we don't want to let decks like Mono U wizards get under us early on and out tempo us. Cast Down should be no less than 2 of in the main deck and I personally am finding Dead Weightto be good for those match ups.
With the rise of GW tokens and its prevalence on the meta not playing some main deck board sweeper is feeling like a mistake. If you choose not to run Find/Finality a Plague Mare in the main deck will still help you win games you would otherwise get blown out of.
Main deck Plague Mare because tokens are everyone on arena and I'm playing Treasure Map instead of Blood Fast as the loss of life I feel is too much and map combos well with Vraska. I'm still not 100% sold on Llanowar Elves as this deck wants to get into the mid-late game every game and top decking elf feels terrible, but there are games where you start with a T1 Elf and completely blow your opponent out early on so i'm a bit torn.
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
It helps ensure getting land drops and puts dudes in the bin for Findbroker/Eldest Reborn. It might not be worth it and instead Branchwalker could be better but I'm not sure yet. I've yet to actually play this and I should have it together sometime later today.
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
Alright update and rough draft. I've actually ended up switching mainly to G/B Stompy as the deck is just absolutely disgusting and free wins on Arena. I've been working on putting this together and once its polished I'll and I finish getting the Wildcards for it I'll definitely test the ***** out of it in a more serious manner.
Some thoughts; Nullhide Ferox is absolutely everywhere or I would be playing Price of Fame instead. I think Price is just better in this metagame with as many legendary cretures are being played between Boros and Selesyna and I would rather not have to use my Trophy's on Ferox because it feels super bad ramping them into their 4th/5th land dropo.
I would like to make some room potentially for Plaguecrafter but not more than a one or two because I generally think the card is weak and it's testing like absolute ***** in every other deck I put it in, even ones that synergized. Just not a fantastic top deck and playing a 3 mana sorcery speed edict feels really bad.
Everyone is sleeping on Midnight Reaper. I even play 2 in my GB stompy since it helps grind through your opponents wall of dudes and makes all of your opponents removal a lot worse.
Playing Relic Seeker instead of Gorgon Queen because imo Gorgon Queen is pretty much garbage in any deck that doesn't take advantage of token or death triggrers. Simply running a mild recursion engine isn't worth it.
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
Update. I decided that Queen Vraska was not right for this deck and switched to her more expensive half. Cut for Chupacabra and some mana fixing. What im working with now to much better success. Pelt Collectoris starting to show how good it actually is. The mana base is still kind of frustrating but by the time you need to cast a Contempt or Chupacabra you should be able to with Walkers and Jadelights helping you out.
I would like to run some more removal that isnt dependent on 4 mana or ramps my opponent but Cast Down has been underperforming with the prevelance of mono green stompy and card Price of Fame has just been god awful against anything NOT mono green. Also, as you can imagine the control match up is not very good. I would call the UW/Turbo Fog match up neigh unwinnable unless they stumble on mana or are bad. Any suggestions would be great.
And yes, as far as manacurve and power level goes this has to be the greediest deck I've ever put together.
Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
Probably not. I need to make sure i have BB available by turn 4-5 but would consider cutting Vraska's Contempt down a bit in place of Plaguecrafter.
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
I'm going to start testing on Arena so I thought I would try and theorycraft a shell here with you guys for what I'm hoping will be a very viable tier 1/1.5 deck.
Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
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This format as a whole is VERY grindy and dependent on two-for-oneing your oponnent on a regular basis. If you run out of gas with decks like this and Red Frenzy running around you will get blown out of the water nearly every match. For this reason alone I do not think one drop creatures are needed in this deck aside from if you choose to go the Llanowar Elf route to ensure turn 3 Chupacabra's or turn 4-5 relic seekers, though if you're slamming relic seeker that early you're probably doing something wrong. That being said
NOT PLAYING RELIC SEEKER IS A MISTAKE and we do not need 4 main deck Trophy's. I feel the correct direction with this deck is grinding your opponent out with incremental card advantage and finishing with Planeswalkers.
Enough spot removal thats cheap and early on is essential as we don't want to let decks like Mono U wizards get under us early on and out tempo us. Cast Down should be no less than 2 of in the main deck and I personally am finding Dead Weightto be good for those match ups.
With the rise of GW tokens and its prevalence on the meta not playing some main deck board sweeper is feeling like a mistake. If you choose not to run Find/Finality a Plague Mare in the main deck will still help you win games you would otherwise get blown out of.
My updated decklist
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Merfolk Branchwalker
4 Jadelight Ranger
3 Ravenous Chupacabra
3 Golgari Findbroker
1 District Guide
1 Plague Mare
3 Cast Down
3 Assassin's Trophy
2 The Eldest Reborn
1 Find//Finality
1 Treasure Map
Planeswalkers: 6
3 Vraska, Relic Seeker
3 Vraska, Golgari Queen
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Woodland Cemetery
8 Forest
8 Swamp
Main deck Plague Mare because tokens are everyone on arena and I'm playing Treasure Map instead of Blood Fast as the loss of life I feel is too much and map combos well with Vraska. I'm still not 100% sold on Llanowar Elves as this deck wants to get into the mid-late game every game and top decking elf feels terrible, but there are games where you start with a T1 Elf and completely blow your opponent out early on so i'm a bit torn.
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It helps ensure getting land drops and puts dudes in the bin for Findbroker/Eldest Reborn. It might not be worth it and instead Branchwalker could be better but I'm not sure yet. I've yet to actually play this and I should have it together sometime later today.
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4 Llanowar Elves
4 Thorn Lieutenant
3 Glowspore Shaman
3 Midnight Reaper
2 Blood Operative
2 Ravenous Chupacabra
2 Golgari Findbroker
2 Doom Whisperer
1 Carnage Tyrant
3 Assassin's Trophy
2 Cast Down
3 Vraska's Contempt
1 The Eldest Reborn
Planeswalkers: 3
3 Vraska, Relic Seeker
Land: 24
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Woodland Cemetery
4 Memorial to Folly
2 Field of Ruin
7 Forest
3 Swamp
Some thoughts; Nullhide Ferox is absolutely everywhere or I would be playing Price of Fame instead. I think Price is just better in this metagame with as many legendary cretures are being played between Boros and Selesyna and I would rather not have to use my Trophy's on Ferox because it feels super bad ramping them into their 4th/5th land dropo.
I would like to make some room potentially for Plaguecrafter but not more than a one or two because I generally think the card is weak and it's testing like absolute ***** in every other deck I put it in, even ones that synergized. Just not a fantastic top deck and playing a 3 mana sorcery speed edict feels really bad.
Everyone is sleeping on Midnight Reaper. I even play 2 in my GB stompy since it helps grind through your opponents wall of dudes and makes all of your opponents removal a lot worse.
Playing Relic Seeker instead of Gorgon Queen because imo Gorgon Queen is pretty much garbage in any deck that doesn't take advantage of token or death triggrers. Simply running a mild recursion engine isn't worth it.
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4 Pelt Collector
4 Thorn Lieutenant
4 Merfolk Branchwalker
4 Jadelight Ranger
4 Steel Leaf Champion
4 Doom Whisperer
1 District Guide
2 Ravenous Chupacabra
2 Vraska, Relic Seeker
Spells: 7
4 Assassin's Trophy
3 Vraska's Contempt
Land: 24
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Woodland Cemetery
12 Forest
4 Swamp
I would like to run some more removal that isnt dependent on 4 mana or ramps my opponent but Cast Down has been underperforming with the prevelance of mono green stompy and card Price of Fame has just been god awful against anything NOT mono green. Also, as you can imagine the control match up is not very good. I would call the UW/Turbo Fog match up neigh unwinnable unless they stumble on mana or are bad. Any suggestions would be great.
And yes, as far as manacurve and power level goes this has to be the greediest deck I've ever put together.
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4 Pelt Collector
4 Thorn Lieutenant
4 Merfolk Branchwalker
4 Steel-leaf Champion
4 Jadelight Ranger
4 Doom Whisperer
3 Vraska, Golgari Queen
Spells: 8
4 Assassin's Trophy
4 Vraska's Contempt
Land: 25
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Woodland Cemetery
4 Golgari Guild-Gate
9 Forest
4 Swamp
This is what comes off the top of my head as a shell.
Ravenous Chupacabra, Plaguecrafter, Underrealm Lich and Llanowar Elves I would liek to fit into in some number but unsure of what I do and dont want at 4.
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