Nice, gj GJ! And others as well, of course. Bravo JT, you had me in your pocket. You would probably win if you would have killed GJ and not me.
I apologize for not being as active as I should have been. Work kept piling up. Probably should have subbed out, but I was enjoying myself too much Will play here again.
I have some problems with lynching Ruma today. First off, he was an excellent target for the framer. It was pretty obvious he will be checked. That does not mean he can't be the framer, but I think he was ripe to be red today no matter what. In hindsight, I'm pretty pissed with myself that I even checked him, should probably go for almost anyone else.
Today, he was shooting down JT, GJ and now MS for being the scum. I think scum would probably take some time and go into D2 with a plan to set up a certain player, not just spray and pray all over the roster. His demeanor seems to be a townie in distress, realizing he might have lost us the game with his weak D1 play and trying to make amends. I dislike his constant whining about how he'll be lynched when it's far from certain, but there you have it, those are my thoughts on why we shouldn't rush into Ruma lynch at this moment.
I think it's WIFOM. I don't really like putting too much weight on death posts from scum since it's really all mind games, could go either way. I rather check scum posts from before they were on their death bed, those usually give more info. Which is why I'm still leaning towards Ruma being scum, even though his D2 posts feel... less scummy.
But it does go with my theory that I was being set up, which I presented in #365 and that the plan was to set me up. Silver was FOSing me. But my conclusion was wrong, since Ruma was the first to post and he cleared me, which makes no sense whatsoever if that was indeed the plan and he was in on it.
So currently I am not willing to lynch Ruma and am not really ready to lynch at all. I know this is taking a long time. Sorry.
Follow up question regarding the targeting plan, GJ - do you see what I see?
However, to be prepared for this eventuality, I'd like you, GJ, to confirm or deny the proposed plan of night targets in case Ruma hangs. JT and MS have voiced their opinion, I'd like to hear from you as well.
Agreed on planning. Just to make sure something similar does not happen tomorrow; in case Riku hangs today and flips town, does everybody agree that the best plan to at least clear one of the three surviving players is: A targets B, B targets C, C targets A, Tiger (likely night victim) targets whoever he pleases?
I need answers from JT, GJ and MS. A simple YES or NO will suffice.
Sorry if you're town. There are too many "coincidences" to ignore. You were my top read D1 as well. But if you flip town, I'd say GJ is the safest bet, yes.
I'm too tired to go on right now. Will read the last few pages again tomorrow, along with responses.
Oh, and because of #207, of course. I feel Silvers willingness to switch to JT is NAI, but his fierce attack on Meteor could be. I am strongly reading JT as town from other stuff.
#131 is where Ruma makes his case on me. JT dislikes it, GJ dislikes it. In #135 Silver says it feels town and urges to abandon Ruma lynch. Hm. Meteor's comment in #140 also makes sense (day chat).
#131 is also where I feel Ruma sets a potential "trap" for me, asking me if abu will flip scum. I believe he was setting me up for D2 lynch if D1 lynch fails. This also fits with scum hitting Vaimes at night (which struck me as odd, since he was constantly under pressure by GJ, for instance) and not me - I honestly felt I'm the one on the chopping block, since I feel I was the most town-read player. Silver flipped scum, we can blame Tiger. Unfortunately, I got targeted by more than one player and got cleared.
#167 Silver reads Ruma as a miller, reinforces this opinion in #207. Which is convenient, if they are scum buddies. If they both survive D1 and someone checks Ruma, he can claim miller, Silver backs him, and they try to lynch the other player and thus win the game.
#207 is important in other ways as well. Silver is strongly committed to making a case on Meteor, while the wagon on Ruma persists. I doubt he would go to these lenghts to distance. It feels he swung in with too much bravado. He went for the kill. He also states he is willing to shift to JT if need be.
#210 Ruma jumps right onto the Meteor wagon which Silver started.
Kind of tired now. Confident on who the scum is anyhow.
Vote: Rumanshi
Going to re-read his posts D2 just to prevent him from having an all-caps tantrum
If Ruma ends up town, and I die at night, out of the three, I'd say JT is BY FAR the most solid town read. I'd probably lynch GJ, but I fear it may be because his "I'm town leader and you are insulting my intelligence" attitude is getting on my nerves.
@Meteor for instance, #16 is way more of a "scum slip", and nobody raised an eyebrow then. I think it's not worth pursuing.
@Ruma no need for all caps. I posed a simple question, why do you feel Vaimes' read on you is worth mentioning, yet you do not follow his reads on JT, for instance. It is a legit question and I'd like an answer. If you are town, you will give it to me.
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I apologize for not being as active as I should have been. Work kept piling up. Probably should have subbed out, but I was enjoying myself too much Will play here again.
vote: Rumanshi
Today, he was shooting down JT, GJ and now MS for being the scum. I think scum would probably take some time and go into D2 with a plan to set up a certain player, not just spray and pray all over the roster. His demeanor seems to be a townie in distress, realizing he might have lost us the game with his weak D1 play and trying to make amends. I dislike his constant whining about how he'll be lynched when it's far from certain, but there you have it, those are my thoughts on why we shouldn't rush into Ruma lynch at this moment.
But it does go with my theory that I was being set up, which I presented in #365 and that the plan was to set me up. Silver was FOSing me. But my conclusion was wrong, since Ruma was the first to post and he cleared me, which makes no sense whatsoever if that was indeed the plan and he was in on it.
So currently I am not willing to lynch Ruma and am not really ready to lynch at all. I know this is taking a long time. Sorry.
Follow up question regarding the targeting plan, GJ - do you see what I see?
However, to be prepared for this eventuality, I'd like you, GJ, to confirm or deny the proposed plan of night targets in case Ruma hangs. JT and MS have voiced their opinion, I'd like to hear from you as well.
I need answers from JT, GJ and MS. A simple YES or NO will suffice.
I have to think some things through. Will do so as soon as I can.
I'm too tired to go on right now. Will read the last few pages again tomorrow, along with responses.
#131 is also where I feel Ruma sets a potential "trap" for me, asking me if abu will flip scum. I believe he was setting me up for D2 lynch if D1 lynch fails. This also fits with scum hitting Vaimes at night (which struck me as odd, since he was constantly under pressure by GJ, for instance) and not me - I honestly felt I'm the one on the chopping block, since I feel I was the most town-read player. Silver flipped scum, we can blame Tiger. Unfortunately, I got targeted by more than one player and got cleared.
#167 Silver reads Ruma as a miller, reinforces this opinion in #207. Which is convenient, if they are scum buddies. If they both survive D1 and someone checks Ruma, he can claim miller, Silver backs him, and they try to lynch the other player and thus win the game.
#207 is important in other ways as well. Silver is strongly committed to making a case on Meteor, while the wagon on Ruma persists. I doubt he would go to these lenghts to distance. It feels he swung in with too much bravado. He went for the kill. He also states he is willing to shift to JT if need be.
#210 Ruma jumps right onto the Meteor wagon which Silver started.
Kind of tired now. Confident on who the scum is anyhow.
Vote: Rumanshi
Going to re-read his posts D2 just to prevent him from having an all-caps tantrum
If Ruma ends up town, and I die at night, out of the three, I'd say JT is BY FAR the most solid town read. I'd probably lynch GJ, but I fear it may be because his "I'm town leader and you are insulting my intelligence" attitude is getting on my nerves.
@Ruma no need for all caps. I posed a simple question, why do you feel Vaimes' read on you is worth mentioning, yet you do not follow his reads on JT, for instance. It is a legit question and I'd like an answer. If you are town, you will give it to me.