I believe its advantaged against Tron, but you may need Kiln Fiend as you do have to race.
Funnily enough I have seen that on the Tron side they feel advantaged which probably means it's somewhere in the middle and kinda even. I think a fast start destroys them but you need to have it. You can't just cantrip a bunch and setup something because it will very likely not be a game with a bunch of back and forth. You either destroy them or you get destroyed.
Thanks then yeah I am thinking of trying some Temur Battle Rages in my build to try to finish things faster.
What do you think about Bedlam Reveler? I don't see the point in Drake myself. The super specific color payment does it no favors either if you ask me, along with 4 CMC and no protection. Bedlam does the card draw better as well if you ask me. But mainly my issue its a nobo with flipping Thing In the Ice. I mean Bedlam stays, Arclight presumably you want it to recur after the flip, and monastery swiftspear is cheap enough to recast if you don't have enough damage on the board or if you want to hold something back if you expect a wipe coming.
I have thought about Bedlam Reveler too but I haven't tried it yet. The upside is obviously extremely good but Im worried that it would make graveyard hate better against the deck. After board I have pretty much always faced grave hate but in it's current form the deck doesn't fold to it but you won't be able to hardcast a Bedlam Reveler in this deck when you face that.
I mean I also don't see the point of the Drakes. I mean flipping your Thing should clear the board while phoenix provide recurable poke.
I suppose the main point for both Drakes and Bedlam Reveler is really card draw although Reveler does have the benefit of not leaving when Thing In the Ice Flips which should allow you to swing for 10+ Damage. Make me wonder if note from Grixis Death Shadow would be interesting in using Temur Battle Rage.
Although how do Temur Battle Rage and Bedlam Reveler go together if I only have Bedlam and I can cast Temur Battle Rage do I get the Ferocious trigger? I suck at rules.
Yes you should get Ferocious since Battle Rage checks on resolution and the Prowess trigger resolves first
So I jammed this deck yesterday the entire time and I must admit that it is pretty good. The weaknesses have become obvious too though which begs the question? Do you really feel Crackling Drake is good? The card was irrelevant the entire day. I was never happy to see it.
I have seen a list going 6-1 in an MTGO Challenge that replaced the 2 Drakes with 2 additional Monastery Swiftspear so he has playset of them, Phoenix and Thing and that's it.
I feel that might be the direction to go. This deck has a lot of explosiveness but not that much staying power. Many decks can go over the top of what you are doing if you don't get moving. A 4 mana card in 18 land deck with no haste or protection from removal seems questionable for that. And against decks that don't pack much removal Im still happier seeing Things and Phoenixes instead.
Let me know how Firemind's Research does for you, I've tried it only in Standard.
It seems like it would be nuts in control matchups or anything with heavy removal. It's unlikely anybody brings in artifact/enchantment hate, and it's likely going to stick around and gain counters unless they have incidental hate cards.
I'm not going to lie though, despite it also seeming super cool, I'm extra hyped for playing it because I have the alt art foil versions....
Pretty much all UW Control decks can deal with every kind of permanent thanks to maindeck Detention Spheres and Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. Besides that single copy of Spell Pierce in your sideboard there isn't actually anything you can do about those cards hitting the battlefield and removing your stuff. They will also 100% side in Celestial Purge since it also deals cleanly with your drakes and phoenixes.
Against the non-white Control decks it's pretty good though. They can't really remove enchantments.
I also don't think think it will be a haymaker against BG/x decks. They too have ways to deal with it which they are going to play anyways against you irregardless if they know about the Research or not. Keranos, God of Storms would be better suited against them and funnily enough with the drakes it's pretty easy to turn on devotion.
Funnily enough despite all the hype I didn't play against the deck on MTGO a single time yet. I guess Moderns diversity is at it again.
Im thinking about dismantling my Death's Shadow deck and the question is what would I do then. Cash out and just stick with UW Control or build something different with the money?
Im not as hyped about this deck as a lot of other people are but it does look interesting. There is still some experimentation going on with the deck but I few things look like they have become set in stone so what would you say are the good and bad matchups of the deck?
Looking at lists that have done well I see a shocking lack of interaction against anything that isn't a creature so I assume Combo matchups are pure races?
Funnily enough I have seen that on the Tron side they feel advantaged which probably means it's somewhere in the middle and kinda even. I think a fast start destroys them but you need to have it. You can't just cantrip a bunch and setup something because it will very likely not be a game with a bunch of back and forth. You either destroy them or you get destroyed.
I have thought about Bedlam Reveler too but I haven't tried it yet. The upside is obviously extremely good but Im worried that it would make graveyard hate better against the deck. After board I have pretty much always faced grave hate but in it's current form the deck doesn't fold to it but you won't be able to hardcast a Bedlam Reveler in this deck when you face that.
Yes you should get Ferocious since Battle Rage checks on resolution and the Prowess trigger resolves first
I have seen a list going 6-1 in an MTGO Challenge that replaced the 2 Drakes with 2 additional Monastery Swiftspear so he has playset of them, Phoenix and Thing and that's it.
I feel that might be the direction to go. This deck has a lot of explosiveness but not that much staying power. Many decks can go over the top of what you are doing if you don't get moving. A 4 mana card in 18 land deck with no haste or protection from removal seems questionable for that. And against decks that don't pack much removal Im still happier seeing Things and Phoenixes instead.
Pretty much all UW Control decks can deal with every kind of permanent thanks to maindeck Detention Spheres and Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. Besides that single copy of Spell Pierce in your sideboard there isn't actually anything you can do about those cards hitting the battlefield and removing your stuff. They will also 100% side in Celestial Purge since it also deals cleanly with your drakes and phoenixes.
Against the non-white Control decks it's pretty good though. They can't really remove enchantments.
I also don't think think it will be a haymaker against BG/x decks. They too have ways to deal with it which they are going to play anyways against you irregardless if they know about the Research or not. Keranos, God of Storms would be better suited against them and funnily enough with the drakes it's pretty easy to turn on devotion.
Im thinking about dismantling my Death's Shadow deck and the question is what would I do then. Cash out and just stick with UW Control or build something different with the money?
Im not as hyped about this deck as a lot of other people are but it does look interesting. There is still some experimentation going on with the deck but I few things look like they have become set in stone so what would you say are the good and bad matchups of the deck?
Looking at lists that have done well I see a shocking lack of interaction against anything that isn't a creature so I assume Combo matchups are pure races?