And I don’t see why we should take that amount of self damage when Burn and Mono Red Phoenix are already not between our good matchups. We already discard lands with our fodders, so we’re going to ‘cycle’ them very rarely anyway.
I suppose it comes down to how often you face them.
1. Not sure, maybe a VS Series on SCG?
2. Not yet, but we cannot talk about that here really, I'd take it to State of Modern.
3. Yep, LSV played some, and it saw some SCG Team Open play in Legacy.
I still think a turn 2 play of Collective Brutality, pitching Phoenix, could be a potent one, but I sold out of most of my Black quite a while ago and am unwilling to invest in testing it.
Its also tough to say that would be better than Turn 2 Thing or Fiend, leading to potential for Turn 3/4 kills.
Ultimately.
Do you need to be fast? UR with Fiend, or Mono R.
Do you need to grind? Probably UR, with Drakes.
Do you need to be able to wall off aggro/humans/spirits? UR, with Thing.
Do you need to interact? Splash Black.
Yep I played both. Runaway does have explosiveness, but you fall victim to anti-red hate far harder of course, while UR can play for an explosive build if they include Kiln Fiend. Runaway in a low removal meta is an absolutely unstoppable engine, so its really down to what you are looking for.
Hoo boy, talk about some bad beats. I 0-3 dropped last night to back to back to back Thoughtsieze decks (GDS, Lantern, Jund). Every single match was lost 0-2, and if I remember correctly, every single game of every match had a turn 1 Thoughtsieze/IoK. This turned my multiple Turn 3/4 kill hands into non-functional piles. Combined with only resurrecting 2 birds across six games and my 1 or 2 other threats per game all dying, it was a pretty rough night. Anyone who says this deck is busted or broken hasn't yet had a night like this! It's enough to make me sleeve up GDS for next FNM. lol.
I'll also say, this is exactly what I ran into as well once people decided to stop losing to Phoenix.
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4 Spirebluff Canal
2 Steam Vents
1 Fiery Islet
1 Mountain
4 Island
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Flooded Strand
//Cantrip
4 Serum Visions
4 Thought Scour
4 Sleight of Hand
4 Faithless Looting
4 Manamorphose
4 Thing in the Ice
4 Arclight Phoenix
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Aria of Flame
2 Finale of Promise
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Magmatic Sinkhole
2 Lava Dart
2 Spell Pierce
3 Ravenous Trap
2 Alpine Moon
2 Force of Negation
1 Shenanigans
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Aria of Flame
2 Narset, Parter of Veils
1 Magmatic Sinkhole
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I suppose it comes down to how often you face them.
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I'll test it out this weekend.
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4 Scalding Tarn
1 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Prismatic Vista
3 Fiery Islet
2 Spirebluff Canal
2 Steam Vents
2 Island
1 Mountain
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http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/126742
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2. Not yet, but we cannot talk about that here really, I'd take it to State of Modern.
3. Yep, LSV played some, and it saw some SCG Team Open play in Legacy.
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http://magic.facetofacegames.com/hitting-platinum-with-izzet-phoenix/
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2 Flame Slash, as the Thing hate for the mirror.
I wonder on the Threads of Disloyalty, GDS hate I assume?
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ELI KASSIS'S IZZET PHOENIX
4 Arclight Phoenix
2 Crackling Drake
4 Thing in the Ice
//Sorcery
4 Faithless Looting
2 Flame Slash
4 Serum Visions
4 Sleight of Hand
//Instant
3 Gut Shot
1 Izzet Charm
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Manamorphose
4 Thought Scour
2 Pyromancer Ascension
//Land
1 Breeding Pool
2 Island
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Spirebluff Canal
2 Steam Vents
2 Sulfur Falls
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Blood Moon
2 Ceremonious Rejection
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Threads of Disloyalty
2 Young Pyromancer
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I dropped Reveler completely because of that alone, otherwise, yes its amazing.
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20182019) so I'm not sure where his list is at these days.Spirits
Its also tough to say that would be better than Turn 2 Thing or Fiend, leading to potential for Turn 3/4 kills.
Ultimately.
Do you need to be fast? UR with Fiend, or Mono R.
Do you need to grind? Probably UR, with Drakes.
Do you need to be able to wall off aggro/humans/spirits? UR, with Thing.
Do you need to interact? Splash Black.
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Personally, I prefer Cantrips.
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I'll also say, this is exactly what I ran into as well once people decided to stop losing to Phoenix.
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