Im talking about the UW Control side here and it a was response to the statement of gkourou that it would be risky to tap out for walkers. In little Teferis case I disagree with that.
I guess he was referring to play Narset, Jace or big Teferi.
I’ll say this again. If you plan to play a more tap-out Jeskai version (with multiple Teferi), Jeskai Saheeli already exists, and it’s probably a better shell than Twin itself. Has Saheeli been any good in Modern until now? Not particularly.
Force of Negation stops the combo for 0 mana. You can’t force the opponent’s force. I don’t get the reasoning here. Twin doesn’t want to play too many reactive cards, and there’s a reason if it was used to pack Dispel maindeck to stop the opponent’s interaction with the combo.
If you play Jeskai, there’s already Saheeli that works very similarly. And Jeskai Saheeli is Tier 3 (albeit a good deck, if you ask me). By the way, imho Jeskai Twin was the best variant of it (not the one with Walls and KiKi, just Path, a pair of Angels and Colonnades).
Agree. I play Izzet Phoenix, from time to time, and the deck has so many problems. Some times it happens that you’re just being lucky with birds, but the metagame isn’t the promise land for it (Surgical maindeck everywhere, lots of Narset, Parter of Veils, Combo crushes it, etc...).
I loved Ravnica/Kamigawa Standard while Gifts Ungiven with Kami was a real deck. Maybe the best I have played in any format, just a tad bit below Almost Blue in Vintage.
That said, I enjoyed Modern in 2014, I enjoy it today.
For what it's worth, I took UW to FNM last week. Died on Turn 3 (while on the draw) to Breach Titan, then got Chalice'd for 1 turn 1 game 2 with Surgical, Field, and 2x Path in hand. Then I lost to regular old Galvanic Blast Affinity on turn 3, twice (game 1 and 3, each I was on the draw. Game 3 I had turn 2 Stony Silence).
It’s not that I don’t believe you. It may just happens. But this argument doesn’t lead to the fact that UW isn’t a top Tier deck at the moment. Cause it is.
By the way, that’s another reason why Force of Negation is a mainstay, and not running it in the maindeck is digging your own grave.
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I’m sure that there are people displeased by it. But, to me, it seems that Modern is still widely played and most people ARE having fun. For the same reason that, even though I don’t particularly enjoy playing/facing Prison decks, there are lots of players who actually do. Fun is subjective, indeed.
- Izzet Phoenix is good
- Mono Red Phoenix is good
- Urza’s Prison is good
- Bridgevine is good
- Human is the usual beast
- UW Control has game against everyone
- Eldrazi Tron and Creature Toolbox are on the resurgence
We have, more or less, every strategy covered. Can someone explain to me how playing in this environment isn’t fine?
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I guess he was referring to play Narset, Jace or big Teferi.
If you play Jeskai, there’s already Saheeli that works very similarly. And Jeskai Saheeli is Tier 3 (albeit a good deck, if you ask me). By the way, imho Jeskai Twin was the best variant of it (not the one with Walls and KiKi, just Path, a pair of Angels and Colonnades).
Strange. Lots of fair decks. But people decided that fair decks are unplayable in Modern ^^
That said, I enjoyed Modern in 2014, I enjoy it today.
It’s not that I don’t believe you. It may just happens. But this argument doesn’t lead to the fact that UW isn’t a top Tier deck at the moment. Cause it is.
By the way, that’s another reason why Force of Negation is a mainstay, and not running it in the maindeck is digging your own grave.
@idSurge
I’m sure that there are people displeased by it. But, to me, it seems that Modern is still widely played and most people ARE having fun. For the same reason that, even though I don’t particularly enjoy playing/facing Prison decks, there are lots of players who actually do. Fun is subjective, indeed.
- Izzet Phoenix is good
- Mono Red Phoenix is good
- Urza’s Prison is good
- Bridgevine is good
- Human is the usual beast
- UW Control has game against everyone
- Eldrazi Tron and Creature Toolbox are on the resurgence
We have, more or less, every strategy covered. Can someone explain to me how playing in this environment isn’t fine?