KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
In a world where Tom is scum and I'm town, you'd want to limit the comcequence of being not on Tom and being on me. And I think you know both of these things.
Your waiting for my wagon to hopefully not be bad after I flip. Probably won't happen. And I think after Tom gets speed have tomorrow they're gonna look at your terrible reason for not hammering him and you'll be next.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Coloring votes and names, as you well know cause I believe you did it a couple days ago, is not nothing. And I commented on you doing it as well.
But contextually, Tom put in that time when I basically declared intent to hammer, which does count for something. If it’s Hail Mary scum play, it is solid.
It’s nice that you keep shading me though, do you really think scum!me waits around in a scenario where I’m buddies with Tom and can guarantee your lynch instead? I’m legit asking.
It's self preservation. Was he supposed to lay down and die?
I think you're stalling on lynching Tom to see if my wagon becomes more viable. I think you're also trying to play the long game after that and make Tom less viable after I'm dead.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
1) Tom's 'effort' posts are primarily info, and less analysis.
2) The analysis isn't actually super connected to all the vote posts.
3) Tom's effort posts don't actually require a lot of effort, which is only relevent if shadow is scum with him.
Certainly some A for effort material from Tom here considering I’d basically said I was going to hammer.
Tempted to just tralalala hammer KJ but I’ve got plenty of time to piddle around and pretend like I know what I’m doing.
Shadow is impressed by the firstof the self preservation info posts. It's literally just tom ISO'd a bunch of people, and colored the votes to his t/s list. It's not that impressive. Yet, shadow takes that as yet another excuse to try to stay on me instead of tom.
4) Tom (I don't thnik) EVER considered scum!Cantrip following cantrip claiming that tom was lying. This is something I just realized and if true, I think it means his thoughts aren't natural. Town tom would have considered scum cantrip. I havene't verified this yet and tom has a lot of posts. I'm not sure I'd find it if I tried since i'm looking for a negative.
I know my reads have been terrible this game. Az, I figured if he was scum, he wouldnt be caught d1, He's Az. He's pretty good at the game. And Grape I just trusted for stupid reasons. Don't let that get in the way of lynching tom, who is now proven scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Cantrip: I thought I alredy said all this... maybe I wasn't clear, or maybe I just didn't make a post I was going to or something.
Cantrip makes tom very likely scum. I can't see an situation where he's not. Cantrip was not messed with last night, so his results should be accurate. Therefore tom is lying about his name. Why? Dunno. But he is. No reason for him to do that as town.
It's probably not Cantrip because, while powerwolfing is possible, trying to powerwolf through two mislynches is VERY high risk. If for some reason tom talks himself out of being lynched before the game ends (entirely possible) or I just start spewing town (also possible, it's happened) and I become unlynchable somehow, then Cantrip is an outed wolf. Two-for-one or nothing is just never a good idea.
I think, if tom is scum, shadow is his most likely partner. As of today, shadow's tone/stances are getting more passive than I'm used to from him. He really has no solid opinions, and his position on my/tom is kinda just "tom is mechanically the answer, Kj I'm not sure about" but throughout today he's been trying to pull back from tom, and subsequently onto me.
@Axel: not to specifically shade Cantrip or Tom, but both are definitely more than capable of formulating a fake claim that is believable and elaborate.
I am less than confident in a Tom lynch, but I don’t see a way to get past this gamestate without one.
I’m interested in anything Tom has to say before we proceed, but otherwise I don’t think I have anything else for today.
(A small part of me thinks that cantrip’s knowledge about flavor being relevant to abilities points to him being on a team with Az, or someone else with an ability that also cares being scum.)
I’ve been having second thoughts on Tom since y’all started pressuring him days ago, but he’s the simplest mechanical answer to what’s going on.
I don’t like it, and I think it’s a miss, but I don’t have a good mechanical answer and he’s the default lynch tomorrow if we miss today.
Since the start of the day, shadow hasn't really had a hard stance on tom. Behaviorally town, mechanically not. But in the second quote, he's having second thoughts on tom being scum, like that was a thing he had some kind of longstanding opinion on that changed. Unless he's doubting the mechanics that are making him likely scum, which really has nothing to do with tom. If tom is town, either me or Cantrip are lying. He didn't DO anything except claim that he was Infect. There's nothing to doubt about tom.
It's almost like shadow is walking on eggshells trying not to get tom lynched, but not also trying to come off bad himself. He doesn't feel as uninhibited as he usually does here. Like, go reread his posts today and tell me I'm completely wrong.
Now, second most likely is Chris. I had him as green in my wagon analysis because Grape tossed his second vote on him at the of that one day. That's not 100%, and the way he's been pushing me today has irked me.
That said, there's a 0% chance scum aren't pushing me today (unless it's Cantrip, because he's busy pushing tom) so it's probably not Axel or Last. Last also seems to have become his old self again, so that's nice.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't think Cantrip is scum here. Scum Cantrip is sinking a lot of eggs into winning the game right now. After town Tom goes down, he goes after me which might be a thing but it's risky. It goes against the time honored scum tradition of keeping options open.
Additionally on the Tom v Cantrip front, I think Tom is the more likely scum because I 1) do not think all three major washing yesterday were on town. and 2) I don't think my initial wagon was pure, and don't like his assertion that it was. The odds of all 7 people voting me being town are very low.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm trying to sort through what everyone's claims mean. Chris saying KCC successfully targeted Tom means that tom was not busdrove.
So it's still possible that Cantrip is lying about the Not Infect result. But not likely. The only thing that doesn't make sense here is why tom is falseclaiming name here. It doesn't make sense if a namecop is in the game. Has there ever been a game where the scum get safeclaims that aren't safe, but aren't told that they're not safe?
I need to compile claims and night actions to figure out what's going on here? I still think Cantrip going all in on lynching town tom is unlikely, but I'd like to think about it more.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Cantrip has information that Tom is not Infect. Tom says he is Infect.
Cantrip got more info last night confirming N1. However, Cantrip could not be ****ed with last night because of me. So unless there's a busdriver and they targetted tom two nights in a row, it's 100% that tom is lying. Bus driver isn't impossible, but I feel like assuming someone busdrove tom twice requires more assumptions than assuming that tom is just lying.
@Shadow: You were hard townreading tom before today, right?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Although it could totally be Vez. Just because he counterclaimed early doesn't mean he's town. Rod taught me that.
I'm surprised I lasted that long given Az and Grapefruit. At least that will be more info for analysis later.
In a world where Tom is scum and I'm town, you'd want to limit the comcequence of being not on Tom and being on me. And I think you know both of these things.
Your waiting for my wagon to hopefully not be bad after I flip. Probably won't happen. And I think after Tom gets speed have tomorrow they're gonna look at your terrible reason for not hammering him and you'll be next.
I think you're stalling on lynching Tom to see if my wagon becomes more viable. I think you're also trying to play the long game after that and make Tom less viable after I'm dead.
1) Tom's 'effort' posts are primarily info, and less analysis.
2) The analysis isn't actually super connected to all the vote posts.
3) Tom's effort posts don't actually require a lot of effort, which is only relevent if shadow is scum with him. Shadow is impressed by the firstof the self preservation info posts. It's literally just tom ISO'd a bunch of people, and colored the votes to his t/s list. It's not that impressive. Yet, shadow takes that as yet another excuse to try to stay on me instead of tom.
4) Tom (I don't thnik) EVER considered scum!Cantrip following cantrip claiming that tom was lying. This is something I just realized and if true, I think it means his thoughts aren't natural. Town tom would have considered scum cantrip. I havene't verified this yet and tom has a lot of posts. I'm not sure I'd find it if I tried since i'm looking for a negative.
I know my reads have been terrible this game. Az, I figured if he was scum, he wouldnt be caught d1, He's Az. He's pretty good at the game. And Grape I just trusted for stupid reasons. Don't let that get in the way of lynching tom, who is now proven scum.
Cantrip makes tom very likely scum. I can't see an situation where he's not. Cantrip was not messed with last night, so his results should be accurate. Therefore tom is lying about his name. Why? Dunno. But he is. No reason for him to do that as town.
It's probably not Cantrip because, while powerwolfing is possible, trying to powerwolf through two mislynches is VERY high risk. If for some reason tom talks himself out of being lynched before the game ends (entirely possible) or I just start spewing town (also possible, it's happened) and I become unlynchable somehow, then Cantrip is an outed wolf. Two-for-one or nothing is just never a good idea.
I think, if tom is scum, shadow is his most likely partner. As of today, shadow's tone/stances are getting more passive than I'm used to from him. He really has no solid opinions, and his position on my/tom is kinda just "tom is mechanically the answer, Kj I'm not sure about" but throughout today he's been trying to pull back from tom, and subsequently onto me.
See here:DOWN ARROWSince the start of the day, shadow hasn't really had a hard stance on tom. Behaviorally town, mechanically not. But in the second quote, he's having second thoughts on tom being scum, like that was a thing he had some kind of longstanding opinion on that changed. Unless he's doubting the mechanics that are making him likely scum, which really has nothing to do with tom. If tom is town, either me or Cantrip are lying. He didn't DO anything except claim that he was Infect. There's nothing to doubt about tom.
It's almost like shadow is walking on eggshells trying not to get tom lynched, but not also trying to come off bad himself. He doesn't feel as uninhibited as he usually does here. Like, go reread his posts today and tell me I'm completely wrong.
Now, second most likely is Chris. I had him as green in my wagon analysis because Grape tossed his second vote on him at the of that one day. That's not 100%, and the way he's been pushing me today has irked me.
That said, there's a 0% chance scum aren't pushing me today (unless it's Cantrip, because he's busy pushing tom) so it's probably not Axel or Last. Last also seems to have become his old self again, so that's nice.
I don't think Cantrip is scum here. Scum Cantrip is sinking a lot of eggs into winning the game right now. After town Tom goes down, he goes after me which might be a thing but it's risky. It goes against the time honored scum tradition of keeping options open.
Additionally on the Tom v Cantrip front, I think Tom is the more likely scum because I 1) do not think all three major washing yesterday were on town. and 2) I don't think my initial wagon was pure, and don't like his assertion that it was. The odds of all 7 people voting me being town are very low.
I'm trying to sort through what everyone's claims mean. Chris saying KCC successfully targeted Tom means that tom was not busdrove.
So it's still possible that Cantrip is lying about the Not Infect result. But not likely. The only thing that doesn't make sense here is why tom is falseclaiming name here. It doesn't make sense if a namecop is in the game. Has there ever been a game where the scum get safeclaims that aren't safe, but aren't told that they're not safe?
I need to compile claims and night actions to figure out what's going on here? I still think Cantrip going all in on lynching town tom is unlikely, but I'd like to think about it more.
Cantrip has information that Tom is not Infect. Tom says he is Infect.
Cantrip got more info last night confirming N1. However, Cantrip could not be ****ed with last night because of me. So unless there's a busdriver and they targetted tom two nights in a row, it's 100% that tom is lying. Bus driver isn't impossible, but I feel like assuming someone busdrove tom twice requires more assumptions than assuming that tom is just lying.
@Shadow: You were hard townreading tom before today, right?