It's easier to do on MU since they have a modbot that the game host can use to lock the thread. I think game hosts have some mod powers over threads they create, too.
We could make it the standard here but we'd have to have hosts contact a subforum mod or Shadow to get their threads locked (unless new owners are willing to give lock powers to thread creators, at least in this subforum).
Probably isn't really the place for it but since Shadow got promoted and the old staff left, I don't think we even have a proper subforum mod anymore, heh.
We're actually working on setting up a modbot-style software on MC too. Not the same as MU (role functionality may never exist) but still with basic functions (auto-votecount being the big one).
I am attacking this from a couple of different angles and if we assume Tom is not stupid, and I don't think he is, it just doesn't make sense for him to be scum here. Like if he is scum then... scum was just so sucky.
I've already read today and my super solid town read on tom has not budged.
Someone redirecting cantrip to town makes so much more sense then tom faking his flavour for *****s and giggles.
Although now that I see KJ's wagon analysis I kinda doubt you can actually be scun. How about we work together and find the scum instead of going after tom?
Even a 1-shot secret redirector bothers me. Like, a host doesn't say "You have guessed wrong" with a redirect unless it's questionable hosting.
This isn't an issue that bothers me, if I was running a game with a redirect, I'd be unlikely to tell them that in most situations, and I definitely wouldn't answer questions about that to anyone but the redirector.
And I'd guess this is something proph agrees with me on. I don't think this speculation is of any value.
For real guys? Suggesting that it would be b*stard modding to have a redirect that isn’t explicit is stupid; could be a busdrive or virtually anything impacting here, and by role and behavior Tom is not really in the more likely to be scum category.
Osie hear me out. How about you help us lynch KJ today and people will use actions at night to check on tom? Does that sound good for you? This whole page of you rambling about how tom is scum is not convincing anyone.
@Osie: when was the last time you went this hard in on a scum read?
Also, regardless of that read, saying Tom is “outed scum” is ridiculous. Yeah, sure, maybe he lied about his role, but that’s not absolutely true, stop acting like it is.
This Tom wagon seemed to drain the energy from the thread, and I’m not sure why.
Two scum left, if Tom is scum, only one buddy able to try and direct a counterwagon or energy elsewhere, meaning if the town is content then that’s could explain it.
If Tom is town, scum could either be vocal about the lynch, or trying not to draw attention to themselves so as to make this day turn sour for them.
In either scenario, there’s not a lot of town conversing happening, which is annoying.
I still don’t think it’s Tom, and I think the most compelling stuff against him is the interactions that Axel posted. Behaviorally, I’ve liked him, I think his process for the daykill makes a lot of sense from town Tom; it would have been a very good fake job on the part of scum Tom. I think there are some decent reasons to look at a few people for possible deepwolf status, but not today; I think today we need to cut the PoE down some more.
As such, I will only be voting for Osie/last or KJ if not one of those.
I have yet to see compelling “not in the PoE” arguments for any of those three, despite there being some points in their favor.
He can't cause he is lying. This is just bullhit to fill the posts.
Tom's post sums it up perfectly. The only real push KJ has ever even tried this game is on me. He has played a textbook scummy game with bad interactions with all dead scum and nonsensical stances.
People voting tom: Tom's game make sense as town. Everything he did, while questionable, can come from town tom. What KJ did has no chance of coming from town KJ.
... I told you so.
While parts of this game left a bad taste in my mouth, it was nice playing with some of the people here again. Sir Chris, Axelrod, Cantripmancer and Vaimes in particular are refreshing people with which to play. I'll probably continue to just poke my head in occasionally here rather than playing a lot; at this point I much prefer the community on Mafia Colosseum (shameless plug). Maybe I'll see some of you around here, there, or elsewhere.
I am definitely interested in solving shadow’s/KCC’s questionable vote positions.
If Shadow (and another) are town, then they might get something out of the thought that KCC's posting reminded me in part of my last scum game on this site.
Shadow is always suspicious, in particular when he hasn't been cop-checked.
How does self voting help your win condition, Osie?
The threat of self-voting gives reactions. Vezok's was a reasonable thought process, and Last is just Last and throwing his vote out without thinking, so scum after Killjoy is likely between Axel/KCC/Shadow.
If people want me lynched, I'm fine with voting myself right now since it seems like there's not likely any discussion actually happening about Killjoy, tom, Chris or others, just "Oh, they could be scum."
My thought change on tom has very little to do with level of work or analysis, and a lot to do with perspective focus. Wolf!tom doesn't analyze people more than anyone else in the thread. Killjoy's been OMGUSy in his questions on top of his superficiality.
This post probably doesn't mean anything to anyone, but take a close look at Axel, KCC, and Shadow, since I highly doubt that town fragments off like that. Last's vote also isn't great, but Last is just Zero-Escape-level Last this game anyways, so whatever.
I'll give it an hour and then vote myself if votes haven't moved off of me.
vote osie
I'd otherwise miss the one hour deadline and I want my ability goddamn it.
If people want me lynched, I'm fine with voting myself right now since it seems like there's not likely any discussion actually happening about Killjoy, tom, Chris or others, just "Oh, they could be scum."
My thought change on tom has very little to do with level of work or analysis, and a lot to do with perspective focus. Wolf!tom doesn't analyze people more than anyone else in the thread. Killjoy's been OMGUSy in his questions on top of his superficiality.
This post probably doesn't mean anything to anyone, but take a close look at Axel, KCC, and Shadow, since I highly doubt that town fragments off like that. Last's vote also isn't great, but Last is just Zero-Escape-level Last this game anyways, so whatever.
I'll give it an hour and then vote myself if votes haven't moved off of me.
I sincerely don't know what loony toons world you live in if grape/kj is scum I am suddenly scum with them.
I don't know. I think you're a possibility based on your positioning on them, and others have expressed this even more so, but I also think that it's too easy.
We honestly just might have to kill KJ here regardless of his alignment. We are going to lose if he’s town and makes it to endgame. He can’t be cop checked, and depending on Cantrip’s role/specifications, he might not even be viggable.
I think in the end I kinda agree here in a sense. Not the "regardless of alignment" element, but Killjoy is a necessary lynch. I'm not sure what the follow-up is... Sir Chris?
Did the whole scum team connect themselves awkwardly together?
Town usually isn't afraid of having their voting patterns checked later so they are more free to move their vote, but you"ve been extremely cautious about it and I don't like it. Especially from a player who snap voted in 3p LyLo.
What game are you referring to with this?
NVM, after ISOing Killjoy due to his confusing as heck #2865, I see that Chris likely mentioned it as Death in the Family in #1889.
Wait, how am I scum, and Tom town? You literally said that 2248 was the tipping point, but you apperently didn't read it because I answered this in it?
What even is going on here?
2848, not 2248. I was talking about tom's posts. You were never really not in the POE.
Town usually isn't afraid of having their voting patterns checked later so they are more free to move their vote, but you"ve been extremely cautious about it and I don't like it. Especially from a player who snap voted in 3p LyLo.
We're actually working on setting up a modbot-style software on MC too. Not the same as MU (role functionality may never exist) but still with basic functions (auto-votecount being the big one).
Or people could just lynch/cop/etc him with great prejudice...
... I told you so.
While parts of this game left a bad taste in my mouth, it was nice playing with some of the people here again. Sir Chris, Axelrod, Cantripmancer and Vaimes in particular are refreshing people with which to play. I'll probably continue to just poke my head in occasionally here rather than playing a lot; at this point I much prefer the community on Mafia Colosseum (shameless plug). Maybe I'll see some of you around here, there, or elsewhere.
If Shadow (and another) are town, then they might get something out of the thought that KCC's posting reminded me in part of my last scum game on this site.
Shadow is always suspicious, in particular when he hasn't been cop-checked.
You didn't have to leave your vote on someone objectively townier than Killjoy.
The threat of self-voting gives reactions. Vezok's was a reasonable thought process, and Last is just Last and throwing his vote out without thinking, so scum after Killjoy is likely between Axel/KCC/Shadow.
Congrats, you got a town lynch!
My role and actions are exactly as claimed.
My thought change on tom has very little to do with level of work or analysis, and a lot to do with perspective focus. Wolf!tom doesn't analyze people more than anyone else in the thread. Killjoy's been OMGUSy in his questions on top of his superficiality.
This post probably doesn't mean anything to anyone, but take a close look at Axel, KCC, and Shadow, since I highly doubt that town fragments off like that. Last's vote also isn't great, but Last is just Zero-Escape-level Last this game anyways, so whatever.
I'll give it an hour and then vote myself if votes haven't moved off of me.
I don't know. I think you're a possibility based on your positioning on them, and others have expressed this even more so, but I also think that it's too easy.
I think in the end I kinda agree here in a sense. Not the "regardless of alignment" element, but Killjoy is a necessary lynch. I'm not sure what the follow-up is... Sir Chris?
Did the whole scum team connect themselves awkwardly together?
NVM, after ISOing Killjoy due to his confusing as heck #2865, I see that Chris likely mentioned it as Death in the Family in #1889.
2848, not 2248. I was talking about tom's posts. You were never really not in the POE.
What game are you referring to with this?
Nah, I read that after I posted anyways, and even if I had read it beforehand, people have been throwing an Osie lynch out there for a while now.
The last page, in particular 2848, did it for me. I'm no longer convinced that tom is scum (even if I still don't like his playstyle).