This was my point too, it would suck to open a $16 pack and get a $3 rare or mythic. It would also suck even more to buy a $300-$400 box and find out all your rares and mythic amount to about $150-$180.
I mean if you buy a standard box for $110 and you get $60 worth of rares/mythic it already feels pretty bad, but imagine buying something 3 times as much, the feeling should be 3 times as strong. I mean if there is only one $100 card in the set and the rest are $50 or less in value then it'll be hard to justify the price of the box at $300 unless you can get 6 of those $50 cards in the box whether they may be rares/mythics/foils or whatever.
It's like buying a Collector's pack for $20 and when you open it you get $8 worth of cards in value, or even $10, it feels bad.
As someone who bought an Iconic Masters pack and pulled Channel, let me tell you - it sucks.
Just want to point out that you can do so much worse. Go check out Alpha Investments opening videos. Recently there's one where someone threw money in the trash by buying a box. That product was such a joke AND a rip off at the same time.
In terms of just playing the 10 dollar lotto and buying a single pack, I cannot think of a worse feels bad moment than opening a MYTHIC that is only worth 58 cents AND is banned/restricted in every format. It is absolutely terrible. Channel should never have been printed in the set, especially not as a Mythic. From my perspective, it would have felt better to crack a pack and open a 20 cent rare that I might be able to slam into a budget commander deck than it was to open an absolutely useless piece of cardboard.
But yes, Iconic Masters was a terrible set, especially when you compare it to A25 and Mystery Boosters. I 100% feel awful for anyone who spent hard-earned money to buy a box of Iconic Masters, especially at the inflated costs when the set first came out.
At least is cheapened several of the good ones from those in singles
I finally got all 5 praetors and spirit dragons (with better art by the way) at a decent price
plus the dragons spiked since commander finally allowed the rule of death/leave triggers from commanders work now
This was my point too, it would suck to open a $16 pack and get a $3 rare or mythic. It would also suck even more to buy a $300-$400 box and find out all your rares and mythic amount to about $150-$180.
I mean if you buy a standard box for $110 and you get $60 worth of rares/mythic it already feels pretty bad, but imagine buying something 3 times as much, the feeling should be 3 times as strong. I mean if there is only one $100 card in the set and the rest are $50 or less in value then it'll be hard to justify the price of the box at $300 unless you can get 6 of those $50 cards in the box whether they may be rares/mythics/foils or whatever.
It's like buying a Collector's pack for $20 and when you open it you get $8 worth of cards in value, or even $10, it feels bad.
As someone who bought an Iconic Masters pack and pulled Channel, let me tell you - it sucks.
Just want to point out that you can do so much worse. Go check out Alpha Investments opening videos. Recently there's one where someone threw money in the trash by buying a box. That product was such a joke AND a rip off at the same time.
Is it M25? Where opening two boxes all the rares/mythics we're exactly the same but 1 pack in each
I'm saying that most packs will be worth less than half of what they cost. That's feel bad on a whole new level. After reprints tank prices it'll probably be more like 25% or less of the cost for most packs. Of course booster packs are always a gamble, but the the high price point with little to no additional cost to Wizards makes it more like just burning your money.
That I know about but doesn’t core 2021 and jumpstart show there’s hope there won’t be as many of those besides Didn’t you remember there’s 2 rares and 2 foils In these so the odds are ever so slightly better
But the good part is the people who buy singles it’s gonna be easier which is what everyone keeps saying Plus I’m sure this set is part three of sets handling the reprints that were intended to be in commander legends
by there’s no way blightsteel colossus Is going back to it’s 5$ price tag when it was first released for one example and that’s due to commander and tron
Looking at the reprints of jumpstart and core 2021
Not only I think the suposive cards rudy found we're most likely real I think there gonna make the odds a lot better of getting a pack value back (still overpriced packs though especially the vip edition)
Where is this list of potential cards? Also, isn't Rudy the owner of Alpha Investments? Are we sure he is just not talking the cards up, so the finance people can move their cards?
Problem isn't those cards... it's the $0.50 garbage that will likely be most of the cards.
So what are you saying you think all the rates/uncommons are gonna be garbage
And also core 2021 and jumpstart reprints is not a signal that they may get the reprints right this time
But anyway those less than a dollar cards will always be in sets (standard/supplament/master) but it's like you guys always ignore the advice buy signals not packs (judge products based on pack prices rather than cards)
Looking at the reprints of jumpstart and core 2021
Not only I think the suposive cards rudy found we're most likely real I think there gonna make the odds a lot better of getting a pack value back (still overpriced packs though especially the vip edition)
Where is this list of potential cards? Also, isn't Rudy the owner of Alpha Investments? Are we sure he is just not talking the cards up, so the finance people can move their cards?
Looking at the reprints of jumpstart and core 2021
Not only I think the suposive cards rudy found we're most likely real I think there gonna make the odds a lot better of getting a pack value back (still overpriced packs though especially the vip edition)
It's claimed to be the same leaker that Got the leylines in core 2020 right
Also the enemy ultimatum's and triomes in ikoria right
next it the leak got the next ban in standard (Fires of Invention) and how they are changing companion mechanic
Finally marks new teasers and from the same supposed leak a reprint would be ugin, the spirit dragon (also incredible since $62) and phasing is a mechanic two of marks teasers fit both perfectly
”A card that uses a nonevergreen named ability over twenty years old.” (phasing from mirage 24 years ago)
”A popular character first introduced in flavor text.” (ghostfire introduced ugin by flavor text and in reprint section)
Scariest part is "Out of Stock". Yep 100 dollar boosters sold out. Push the envelope again next round 200 dollar boosters, 1000 dollar boosters, 50,000 dollar boosters. Again why the hell not? Morons are evidently buying these.
Commander legends better not be above $10 a pack when it’s release (there’s a foil in all the packs is where the worry comes in)
Don't worry, they will be. They are going to milk Commander players as hard as they can. And Commander players will gripe as they buy it all up.
Tell that to mystery booster started as a normal pack price with a foil in all of them
(Heck it’s price increase is probably because they can’t make more for the moment because of the you know what’s happening right now)
I think commander legends will just be on the same boat as mystery boosters starts normal but price increase later down the line
Well well, what do we have here? Hang on to your seats, for the low low price of $92,5 each, you can get 4 VIP boosters!
Fancy a draft, anyone?
ok out of all the prices they gave for premium products packs this when they finally crossed the line
Almost 100 dollars a pack for collectors edition of double masters
This might be when they get the slap in the face that they got to stop making pack prices in premium products (outside standard/supplament not premium) so huge and do what they did in the first modern masters product
Commander legends better not be above $10 a pack when it’s release (there’s a foil in all the packs is where the worry comes in)
If the packs are more than $15/pack I don't see this set selling too many boxes or packs any time soon. We are in a global recession but Wizards are ramping up the products this year instead of scaling down, between Core 21, Secret Lair drops, Double Masters and we just had Ikoria come out that's about 4 new sets of cards in just 3 months, let's not forget Jumpstart, whenever that will come out.
Funny enough with box’s at 300 that actually makes packs about 12.5 when a single one is 16 so it's better to get a box as crazy as it sounds
Crazy??? Its always been that way. Individual booster price is always better when you buy a box over individual packs. Now I can understand if someone doesn't have 300 bucks to pop down on a BB. The problem is a BB shouldn't be 300 bucks for just 24 packs. Catering to whales is going to catch up to WotC and Hasbro faster than they think.
I'm a math master dude I know it's overpriced regardless box or individual (and I'm aware you could just be messing with me as well by the way)
I'm just saying you would have paid 12.5 per pack vs the 16 both prices are still obnoxious per pack since you can see
(of coarse we still don’t know what's in this yet)
Try not to get upset, I was just questioning your "crazy" comment. Anyone who has ever bought anything has figured out that you pay less per unit if you buy in bulk. It never sounds crazy to save per unit when you buy in bulk. And it has always been that way for Magic boosters, unless you were being sarcastic (remember the interwebz doesn't pass along that sarcasm). And I agree 100% that even at $12 per pack the price as you say IS obnoxious. WotC isn't going to make this chock full of high dollar reprints at Rare, we know it. Wishful thinking for high value at this point is the extreme not the norm. This set will fall somewhere on the M25 to Ultimate Masters spectrum.
I'm not upset sometimes I don't realize what I say
But yes I do know that
The price tag of this is just yet another example of buy in singles not packs
If the packs are more than $15/pack I don't see this set selling too many boxes or packs any time soon. We are in a global recession but Wizards are ramping up the products this year instead of scaling down, between Core 21, Secret Lair drops, Double Masters and we just had Ikoria come out that's about 4 new sets of cards in just 3 months, let's not forget Jumpstart, whenever that will come out.
Funny enough with box’s at 300 that actually makes packs about 12.5 when a single one is 16 so it's better to get a box as crazy as it sounds
Crazy??? Its always been that way. Individual booster price is always better when you buy a box over individual packs. Now I can understand if someone doesn't have 300 bucks to pop down on a BB. The problem is a BB shouldn't be 300 bucks for just 24 packs. Catering to whales is going to catch up to WotC and Hasbro faster than they think.
I'm a math master dude I know it's overpriced regardless box or individual (and I'm aware you could just be messing with me as well by the way)
I'm just saying you would have paid 12.5 per pack vs the 16 both prices are still obnoxious per pack since you can see
(of coarse we still don’t know what's in this yet)
If the packs are more than $15/pack I don't see this set selling too many boxes or packs any time soon. We are in a global recession but Wizards are ramping up the products this year instead of scaling down, between Core 21, Secret Lair drops, Double Masters and we just had Ikoria come out that's about 4 new sets of cards in just 3 months, let's not forget Jumpstart, whenever that will come out.
Funny enough with box’s at 300 that actually makes packs about 12.5 when a single one is 16 so it's better to get a box as crazy as it sounds
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At least is cheapened several of the good ones from those in singles
I finally got all 5 praetors and spirit dragons (with better art by the way) at a decent price
plus the dragons spiked since commander finally allowed the rule of death/leave triggers from commanders work now
Is it M25? Where opening two boxes all the rares/mythics we're exactly the same but 1 pack in each
Unless it's commander legends
I think we just found the product that oubliette is being reprinted in like having said and now mark
About that
Hopefully, the cards alpha investments found are real
Also hoping for a ”sorry for the wait gift” showcase card in stargazers (like they did with ultimate masters showcase cards for kythi edition)
(they finally sent me the order confirmation of it a couple of days ago.)
That I know about but doesn’t core 2021 and jumpstart show there’s hope there won’t be as many of those besides Didn’t you remember there’s 2 rares and 2 foils In these so the odds are ever so slightly better
But the good part is the people who buy singles it’s gonna be easier which is what everyone keeps saying Plus I’m sure this set is part three of sets handling the reprints that were intended to be in commander legends
by there’s no way blightsteel colossus Is going back to it’s 5$ price tag when it was first released for one example and that’s due to commander and tron
So what are you saying you think all the rates/uncommons are gonna be garbage
And also core 2021 and jumpstart reprints is not a signal that they may get the reprints right this time
But anyway those less than a dollar cards will always be in sets (standard/supplament/master) but it's like you guys always ignore the advice buy signals not packs (judge products based on pack prices rather than cards)
Yes alpha invetsments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPZzZ4o7oxs&feature=emb_title
And the cards are
Not only I think the suposive cards rudy found we're most likely real I think there gonna make the odds a lot better of getting a pack value back (still overpriced packs though especially the vip edition)
It's grim tutor average is $228 for the moment
It's claimed to be the same leaker that Got the leylines in core 2020 right
Also the enemy ultimatum's and triomes in ikoria right
next it the leak got the next ban in standard (Fires of Invention) and how they are changing companion mechanic
Finally marks new teasers and from the same supposed leak a reprint would be ugin, the spirit dragon (also incredible since $62) and phasing is a mechanic two of marks teasers fit both perfectly
”A card that uses a nonevergreen named ability over twenty years old.” (phasing from mirage 24 years ago)
”A popular character first introduced in flavor text.” (ghostfire introduced ugin by flavor text and in reprint section)
Looks like we all may have jumped the gun on the $100 price tag of vip packs
https://news.toyark.com/2020/05/22/magic-the-gathering-double-masters-with-vip-collector-box-information-388935
They say $35-$40 here so that
Tell that to mystery booster started as a normal pack price with a foil in all of them
(Heck it’s price increase is probably because they can’t make more for the moment because of the you know what’s happening right now)
I think commander legends will just be on the same boat as mystery boosters starts normal but price increase later down the line
ok out of all the prices they gave for premium products packs this when they finally crossed the line
Almost 100 dollars a pack for collectors edition of double masters
This might be when they get the slap in the face that they got to stop making pack prices in premium products (outside standard/supplament not premium) so huge and do what they did in the first modern masters product
Commander legends better not be above $10 a pack when it’s release (there’s a foil in all the packs is where the worry comes in)
I'm not upset sometimes I don't realize what I say
But yes I do know that
The price tag of this is just yet another example of buy in singles not packs
I'm a math master dude I know it's overpriced regardless box or individual (and I'm aware you could just be messing with me as well by the way)
I'm just saying you would have paid 12.5 per pack vs the 16 both prices are still obnoxious per pack since you can see
(of coarse we still don’t know what's in this yet)
Funny enough with box’s at 300 that actually makes packs about 12.5 when a single one is 16 so it's better to get a box as crazy as it sounds