Say you like ice cream. It's your favorite food. But you only eat it once a week. If you eat ice cream everyday it would stop being your favorite food. You'd be sick of it. Wizards is trying to feed us ice cream for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
If you're an adult and have money, I expect that you should be able to exercise fiscal restraint. If not, pointing the finger elsewhere is demonstrably counterproductive. You have to eat; you don't have to buy cards.
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Their bribing the government to make ice cream a required food group.
Uhhhh... I'm sorry, what is this supposed to be analogous to?
I think we're at a bit of a disconnect about who needs to be more accepting. You're entitled to your opinion, sure, I'm just trying to dissuade you from the belief that everyone else shares it too. Magic is fine (fact), but if you're going to be upset about each new release, well... ya gotta accept that, bro. Or learn to live with being miserable all the time.
If you want to let my points stand on their own merit, uncontested, then you've already conceded the argument. You haven't presented any data apart from your own say-so and some confirmation bias, so no, I don't see it as a problem. It's really not ignorant for me to disagree with a point you've failed to substantiate on a factual level. I think it's been made pretty clear by my approach every single time that your generally pessimistic attitude is unwarranted, and if you don't care to put in the time and energy to properly refute that... well, that's on you.
I come here to talk about Magic because I enjoy the game. I don't really share any empathy with those who come here only to complain; voicing your concerns here, repetitively and without substance, is about as productive as shouting into an empty bucket of KFC.
We can go back to talking about Magic now. Any further attacks on my character will be met with a quiet report.
we were talking about it in a local shop yesterday. we're just absolutely bombarded with products, but those products over the past year seem to have lost focus.
How so? It seems to me that having more products each with its own specific purpose is indicative of more focus, not less.
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one great point the store owner brought up is that his newer customers and less whale-like customers end up feeling overwhelmed with product options. they come in to buy some packs, but they can buy these other packs for just a few dollars more that'll have more of this other thing in it, and for a few dollars more than that they can buy a different pack of the same set that has even more odds of getting this or that.
Isn't it sort of the shop owner's responsibility to educate his/her customers, though? To be able to foster good marketing decisions for their continued patronage?
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trouble is, then they feel the lower priced product isn't worth it, and the higher priced product is priced too high so they walk away feeling ripped off no matter which option they go for.
I mean, that's what happens when you play the lottery, regardless of pack price. If there's no inherent value in a basic pack, though, what are you doing cracking them at all? We're talking about a product that hasn't fundamentally changed in over 25 years, not a lot of room for surprises there.
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he's also sold out on a ton of product before most can even get it because whales will come in and buy it all to get those few hot cards, or conversely someone who isn't a whale gets really lucky and cracks some alt art foil showcase card and comes back to buy him out just like people do when they win money on scratchers. while product is moving faster and better, there is definitely an atmosphere of discontent and being overwhelmed by those that aren't getting lucky and those are the customers that have come in less.
So when people figure out that it's better to buy singles instead of packs they just stop coming to the store? Is that because your store doesn't stock singles, or because it doesn't stock non-Magic product? I'm trying to figure out why the shop is ultimately getting less business (during a pandemic, of all things) as a consequence of what happens to all savvy Magic players eventually.
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it'd be great if there were fewer releases, but at a higher quality. more exploration of themes, less need to ban, more power across all rarities.
I don't see how those two things are mutually exclusive.
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i mean, some of these sets you still can't find but we're on to the next one before anyone can even realize it. it means the people with the money, who preordered, get to experience it and most others simply don't.
Sure, this is a real problem... but we know the fault lies with how Covid has affected the production / distribution chain, not anything Wizards has done, intentionally or otherwise.
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they've pushed the you're going to miss out angle so hard, and after awhile people feel like they are missing out... so what's the point? why keep buying? why keep maintaining? but those are the customers they dont' hear from, they just drop off as other people buy more which presents really flawed sales data. you can sell a ton of product and still have an unhealthy game.
Are we talking about Secret Lairs, or Magic in general? Because I disagree with the former, and don't see how it applies to the latter. If there's actual data to suggest people who feel the need to collect everything represent a silent majority, and that they're being driven out of the game as a consequence of limited product availability, I'd like to see it.
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anyway, regarding spoilers for this set... i'm cautiously pessimistic.
i want to hope for the best, i want something amazing, something that i'll want to buy cases of, but given the track record i don't expect it.
I'm confused. You take issue generally with the lottery model, but you still want to have a reason to go out and buy tons of sealed product?
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i don't even expect to be able to find the product without preordering. what i do expect is to see some mediocre reprints that no one really needed, a lack of power at common and uncommon, some creative ideas that were reigned in really hard at rare, some absolutely format warping cards at mythic or a couple of extremely in demand reprints at mythic... and not much else.
Good! If reality matches your expectations then you'll be less frustrated, and if it exceeds them then we can all expect to see you come back afterwards and offer something positive on these message boards.
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the product fatigue is real even here, where it should be hype instead. there is just so much printed lately, and so much printed with an edh slant, that it has become difficult to keep up - not just with the information, but the ever changing introduction of new powerful cards (mostly at mythic) aimed squarely at edh players. there's a point where simply too much product competes for the same dollars, and once you hit that point it becomes really easy to just walk away in favor of something that won't feel like a wallet vacuum.
Are you actually fatigued from purchasing all of these products that you allegedly can't get a hold of, or is the fatigue hypothetical?
Who knows, maybe by the time I can justify catching up on all the sets I missed, the single prices will be really down and I'll have more disposable income.
This doesn't seem like a thoroughly unreasonable expectation, to be honest. I generally pick up my EDH singles in semiannual batches anyways.
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If you're an adult and have money, I expect that you should be able to exercise fiscal restraint. If not, pointing the finger elsewhere is demonstrably counterproductive. You have to eat; you don't have to buy cards.
Uhhhh... I'm sorry, what is this supposed to be analogous to?
I think we're at a bit of a disconnect about who needs to be more accepting. You're entitled to your opinion, sure, I'm just trying to dissuade you from the belief that everyone else shares it too. Magic is fine (fact), but if you're going to be upset about each new release, well... ya gotta accept that, bro. Or learn to live with being miserable all the time.
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I come here to talk about Magic because I enjoy the game. I don't really share any empathy with those who come here only to complain; voicing your concerns here, repetitively and without substance, is about as productive as shouting into an empty bucket of KFC.
We can go back to talking about Magic now. Any further attacks on my character will be met with a quiet report.
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How so? It seems to me that having more products each with its own specific purpose is indicative of more focus, not less.
Isn't it sort of the shop owner's responsibility to educate his/her customers, though? To be able to foster good marketing decisions for their continued patronage?
I mean, that's what happens when you play the lottery, regardless of pack price. If there's no inherent value in a basic pack, though, what are you doing cracking them at all? We're talking about a product that hasn't fundamentally changed in over 25 years, not a lot of room for surprises there.
So when people figure out that it's better to buy singles instead of packs they just stop coming to the store? Is that because your store doesn't stock singles, or because it doesn't stock non-Magic product? I'm trying to figure out why the shop is ultimately getting less business (during a pandemic, of all things) as a consequence of what happens to all savvy Magic players eventually.
I don't see how those two things are mutually exclusive.
Sure, this is a real problem... but we know the fault lies with how Covid has affected the production / distribution chain, not anything Wizards has done, intentionally or otherwise.
Are we talking about Secret Lairs, or Magic in general? Because I disagree with the former, and don't see how it applies to the latter. If there's actual data to suggest people who feel the need to collect everything represent a silent majority, and that they're being driven out of the game as a consequence of limited product availability, I'd like to see it.
I'm confused. You take issue generally with the lottery model, but you still want to have a reason to go out and buy tons of sealed product?
Good! If reality matches your expectations then you'll be less frustrated, and if it exceeds them then we can all expect to see you come back afterwards and offer something positive on these message boards.
Are you actually fatigued from purchasing all of these products that you allegedly can't get a hold of, or is the fatigue hypothetical?
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This doesn't seem like a thoroughly unreasonable expectation, to be honest. I generally pick up my EDH singles in semiannual batches anyways.
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