MTG Salvation

- Voting to remove Persecutor, and it's gone
- Voting to remove Psychic Possession, and it's gone
- Voting to remove Venser...great card, but not in this kind of deck
- Adding 2x Grab the Reins...splashable, and can be used on offense or defense, and is good with or without Bazaar Trader.
- Adding 3x Magma Jet; Grab the Reins can wait, we sorely need some early disruption/library manipulation. I feel like I add this to every red deck we make!



I do agree we need some early card draw/filtering/manipulation (like Ponder, etc)...but that's hard to do in a primarily red deck. I'm hoping Magma Jet can help a little bit, but we can do more.

2 Thought Devourer. donate it, and our opponent's handsize is reduced by four- an opponent with a reduced handsize should be much harder for them to deal with the goodies we're giving up.

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3x desperate ravings, as per Mr. Vowel's request for more card draw.

Adding Sulfur Falls for mana fixing

Adding 4 Propaganda, i think we need a little protection from what we are donating

maybe we can run 3x propaganda and 2x Ghostly Prison
another good option can be Peacekeeper, but this guy dies so easy...

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Creatures (22): 2x Goblin Recruiter 4x Bazaar Trader 3x Steel Golem [1 vote to add 1] 2x Zedruu the Greathearted 4x Bronze Bombshell 2x Dominus of Fealty 3x Primordial Ooze 2x Thought Devourer	Artifacts (5): 2x Jinxed Idol 3x Coalition Relic Enchantments (7): 1x Illusions of Grandeur [-1] 1x Pyromancer's Swath 1x Goblin Festival 4x Propaganda Spells (14): 2x Enlightened Tutor 2x Brand 4x Donate 3x Magma Jet 3x Desperate Ravings	Land (24): 19x Placeholder 3x Vivid Crag 2x Homeward Path 4x Sulfur Falls

My bad on the abyssal persecutor at the time I did that the lands were still place holder, plus bazaar trader reminded me of an old deck I use to hear about that was around about a year ago, it was black red and the win condition was bazaar trader, trading persecutor for an obvious win scenario. Yeah I see now it has no place and I do apologize for that.

Adding a Lich's Tomb, either to give away with the Trader or to keep us alive a bit longer when close to 0 life.

Voting against Goblin Festival; the combo with Zedruu seems a bit narrow and coin-flip cards are generally undependable.

does tel-jilad stylus have a place in here? or maybe goblin welder ? i didn't add it because i didn't want to end the build!~

Vote against Desperate Ravings, blue has better draw
Vote against Jinxed Idol, nulls the cards we send over
Vote against Etutor, rather an extra Recruiter to pull our main card Trader
Vote against Brand, +1 Homeward Path instead
Vote against Coalition Relic, Mox Diamonds instead.

The decks playing control/combo we need more digs, counters, draw and less creatures.

Adding two copies of Foresee, as it provides both draw and dig.

Voting against Jinxed Idol, Enlightened Tutor and Desperate Ravings for the reasons noted above. Desperate Ravings is gone.

Agree that we have too many creatures (especially with Steel Golem) and not enough draw/protection

Vote against Thought Devourer - does too little too late. Our opponents probably won't have more than 3-4 cards in hand by the time we cast this and give it to them anyway.
Vote against Primordial Ooze - I get the sense that this won't do anything in our deck; I like the card, but if we play it early, it will kill us, and if we play it late, it's just weak.
Vote against Coalition Relic - not really ramping much in this deck, and we can just depend on a solid manabase.
Vote against Brand and Enlightened Tutor - there are either better cards for this purpose or they dilute the theme of the deck; they are both gone

Updating decklist with missed votes from above:

with tel-jilad stylus, we can run things that might be dangerous for us and just push it back to our library if we can't seem to give it away. the second our deck has all four traders taken out, we're kind of screwed. it also allows us to put the trader back in our library if someone is going to destroy it.

add: 2 tel-jilad stylus we should probably have a full count if we are going to run it, but i'm not gonna be greedy and make that decision myself

vote: remove lich's tomb. if we give it to them, they'll just sacrifice it to itself. not that useful and takes up a 4 drop slot.

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vote: remove lich's tomb. if we give it to them, they'll just sacrifice it to itself.

Oops! You're absolutely right. Sorry!

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Oops! You're absolutely right. Sorry!

no problem. i mean, at it's best we could give it to them and deal more than 1 damage and make them sacrifice something else too, but it's not efficient unless we deal a lot of damage in the turn. in a mono red burn/bazaar deck it could be pretty cool with recursion a la goblin welder or something fun. cool, just not that efficient in this deck.

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no problem. i mean, at it's best we could give it to them and deal more than 1 damage and make them sacrifice something else too, but it's not efficient unless we deal a lot of damage in the turn. in a mono red burn/bazaar deck it could be pretty cool with recursion a la goblin welder or something fun. cool, just not that efficient in this deck.

I agree. If we did around 5 or 6 damage it would be nice because they would have to sacrifice other permanents along with the Tomb. But I don't see the deck doing crazy damage at the moment so it gets a vote from me as well. Coalition also gets a vote from me so its gone

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Actually we have a pretty easy way dealing 7 damage in one swing ... eot give away the tomb, next turn cast Bombshell, give it your opp and boom

I don't think that justifies keeping it though. It's still unlikely. And it's not that efficient in this deck. There are better options available to us.

Voting to remove:
Lich Tomb

Add: 2 Avarice Totem. this is just another (late game) way of taking something. and with the stylus, we can make it so they can't even have the totem. although if we did give them our totem they wouldn't want to use it for most of our stuff, except our trader (unfortunately), but that's where the stylus comes into play

vote: remove thought devourer. decent card, but it's a 2 slot that our trader competes with. also, too weak in this deck.

vote: remove primordial ooze. getting it out there, and making it effective takes too long.

we'd be better off with sound draw or counter since we're Red Blue

Vote to keep Thought Devourer- Its a 4 drop also. Not a 2 drop. It severely weakens our opponent. It is unfortunately a good beater for them but I don't think its too much of a problem.
Vote to Remove Primordial Ooze - Gone
Vote to add 1 Homeward Path