MTG Salvation

oh... awesome. i thought that because i've already "voted" on the card, that i can't double vote. since adding is like voting the card in. interesting. welll...

voting to drop 2 kokusho and it happens.
voting to add 1 liliana for card search/discard abilities



just correct me if that is wrong. i looked at the rules but couldn't find anything.

Added 3 Gobhobbler Rats. I figure if we empty our hand alot, Hellbent goes off and we've got a 3/2 continously. It also gives us abit of early-game as opposed to a lot of late-game cards.(I know Shriekmaws and Terminates and such, but those are one times and can't hit Hexproofs.). If the Rats just don't seem to work, we can cut them in the future.

I also personally wouldn't mind giving Rakdos-Pit Dragon for a spin in this deck, but it's just a suggestion.

Hellbent doesn't synergize with Wild Evocation. We want to have a card in hand at the start of our upkeep in order to Evoke it, which usually means keeping the card drawn in our draw phase in hand for the rest of our turn and through our opponent's turn. That means no hellbent benefits. And more specifically, the Rats are a rather unimpressive spell to Evoke.

Voting to remove Gobhobbler Rats. I don't get it.

I agree that another Lilianna Vess helps in the logn run, so I'm voting to add 1.

I'm thinking that we might want something to prevent Wild Evocation from benefiting the opponent....how about 3 Blackmail to get rid of some of his key cards? (Even though I think the artwork on this card is crap.)

voting out gobhobblers. we are striving to keep cards in our hands.
i think blightning does a better job than blackmail. but i'm not voting against blackmail yet. maybe we have both, 3 of each, so i'm voting to remove 1 blightning
to make room for blackmail and stuffs voting terminate down 1.

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The nice thing about Blightning is that even if the opponent has no cards left in hand -- as is especially likely in a Wild Evocation endgame -- it still brings us closer to winning. Blackmail does not.

Derp, confused step order. Thought Upkeep was after draw for some reason.

Adding one Kaervek the Merciless. He synergizes well with Wild Evocation -- every time our opponent is forced to Evoke a spell, Kaervek dishes out damage -- and he's big enough to be worth Evoking.

Voting to cut one Rune-Scarred Demon. Good card, but we don't need so many copies.

Voting to cut all Gobhobbler Rats. Hellbent doesn't help us here. Gone.

Voting to cut all Blackmail. It's flimsy in the early game, which is when we most need its support, and in the late game we'd rather play bigger, beefier spells.

Adding 2 Batterskull. Lifelink helps with the increasing life loss the deck is taking on and you can return it to hand so WE can reset the germ.

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Adding two Griselbrand - He's a good win condition and a powerful draw engine to keep Wild Evocation working. I've added two because he's an incredibly strong card worth drawing, but being legendary means multiple copies become redundant.

Worse than redundant -- if we have one Griselbrand in play and the other in hand, Wild Evocation will eventually force us to cast the other, thus killing both. (This also applies to Kokusho and Ryusei, but that's okay because both of those have beneficial enter-the-graveyard effects. Griselbrand does not.)

adding 2 gamble. i almost just added 4 and put us into cutting. but i didn't. this pulls our WE or any potential card we want since we are running kind of singleton style.

i think this deck is nearly perfect with the options. lets just sideboard 15 of the cards and call it a day haha. great deck actually. first gmad i've been super excited about in a while.

voting out blackmail. agreed. too flimsy

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Fixing deck numbers.

EDIT: What do y'all think of Faithless Looting in here?

Vote to reduce Rune-Scarred Demon to 2 copies. Pass. Too expensive for a Demonic Tutor on legs, cool enough to keep two.

Vote to reduce Griselbrand to 1 copy. I don't mind if both Kokusho's hit play. I would feel stupid if Griselbrand did.

Vote to reduce Terminate to 3 copies. Pass. Just making room for other potentials before we start chopping.

Vote to reduce Blightning to 3 copies. More making room pre-cut shenigans.

I like Faithless Looting; however, I think adding another Bomb to the deck would be more interesting. Adding Debtors' Knell. Recurs our Bombs and their Bombs, especially if we made them discard them earlier. Its within the realm of possibility to cast, as other 7 CMCs are in the deck. I also like the theme of "when my upkeep comes, youse gonna get hurt!"

Also... Wouldn't we lose if we Wild Evoc Phage? Just wanna make sure, which is why I ain't voting against her yet.

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Also... Wouldn't we lose if we Wild Evoc Phage? Just wanna make sure, which is why I ain't voting against her yet.

Nope. WE casts the spell for us so Phage is happy. If WE put the card into play, then we would be boned.

Speaking of which, I understand that Eldrazi are expensive, but if the deck had one Kozilek, Butcher of Truth that means 4 cards since WE is casting it.

Adding one Foriysian Totem. It's a mana rock in the early game, while in the late game we should have free mana to use its ability if we've cast all our spells via Wild Evocation.

Voting to remove one Griselbrand. We don't need two, and we especially don't want to Evoke a second one while the first is on the board.

Voting to remove all Gamble. We already have multiple tutors in the deck, so why add one that risks discarding a good card as part of the resolution?



Of the conventional B/R synergies with Wild Evocation, the last one remaining is Painful Quandary, if someone wants to add it.

Thanks for the Phage clarification. I see Wizards has moved away from EtB and is going more towards Cast.

I can't believe I missed that, I also will also vote to remove Gamble.

I also vote to remove Diabolic Tutor. We're playing Black, we can do better, like Beseech the Queen, which just gets better as time goes on and is possible to cast on Turn 3. If we don't have Black, we can still hard cast with red mana. I am OK with 4B to fetch a land if I am somehow mana-screwed.

Painful Quandry is amusing, but I think Baneful Omen is a better finisher with the huge effects we have. Damnation is probably the best bet of all, as the deck lacks ways to deal with early on rushes.

I think the Eldrazi are removed because they're "too easy" and you want something you want to be able to actually hard cast. Though I do see a few 8 CMCs.



Edit: Other suggestions:
Avatar of Woe - can be hard cast, probably will be cheap, still beefy target for WE
Demigod of Revenge - we can keep tossing these guys out there like angry 5/4 flying lemmings
Dread Cacodemon - kill their stuff, keep our stuff alive, abuses WE
Sheoldred, Whispering One - definitely WE worthy, does stuff and kills their creatures that they WE, in theme with 'upkeeps hurt'

Thats why I added her. I've never seen her really played and when I saw cast on W. Evoc., I knew I may of seen gold.

I want her to stay with all my might, I just like her flavor.

I believe its been 24 hours, so I'll add another contribution:
2 Damnation - there is no grand scale removal, and I understand due to WE; however, I think it is pivotal in a control deck that needs to survive until it can "go off"

I did not add a third because I didn't want to hit 75 Cards.

The last thing we need is for Wild Evocation to trigger a Damnation when we're in control of the board. I wish we'd managed to squeeze in a bit more controlled discard over and above the Syphon-Mage.

Could be part of the purging process.

Voting to remove all Hypnox. We need discard in the early game, not the late game; by the time we can reliably Evoke Hypnox, our opponent is likely to already have Evoked down to an empty hand. So Hypnox will generally be nothing more than a big beater who's almost impossible to hardcast. We have far better options available.

Voting to remove all Insurrection. By the time it's playable, our opponent's creatures should already have been thinned out by our discard and removal.

Voting to remove all Damnation. It can easily turn a won game into a loss.

I'll vote to axe Insurrection. Pass.

I also think that Hypnox would not be that useful, so voting to remove him as well.

I'll vote to keep all Blightning.

We really need a way to draw cards. That way we can refill early on, but also make sure we have a full mitt once we get one or two WE in play. Or do people think Arena is good enough?

I vote to remove Hypnoxes and a single Griselbrand. They pass.
Also vote to remove the Diabolic Tutor.
Add 4 Putrid Imp, to make the random a little less random.

All things must end. Add 4 FTK. Enter purge mode.



Vote to remove Lilana Vess. I like the creatures, I like the mana accel, I like the utility spells. Lilana Vess is pretty damned expensive and doesn't quite help us get a WE in play besides tutoring, which I don't think is necessary with 4 copies. It helps once it is in play, but doesn't get us there. It feels pretty "win more" to me in this deck.