MTG Salvation

I actually would vote in favor of emrakul. Maybe adding a leveler? And maybe, we can boost the maniac with a quick infernal contract or meditate

Emrakul isnt wild or crazy, I will admit. What it does do is synergize with a resolved Doomsday and gives you a win. Throw in the fact that it is cast off of the Isle and thus we get the effect....

It also can allow us to shuffle our GY back into our library just in case all of our Doomsdays get put there.

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Am I missing something? How does Emrakul work with Doomsday when Doomsday has you exile your library?

You Doomsday. You choose Emrakul and Shelldock Isle, with Emrakul somewher below Isle. Drop Isle, look at the 4 remaining cards in your library. Next turn, you cast emrakul off of the Isle and get an extra turn.

i am not a fan of unfundrazi, but this is actually interesting to do with doomsday. but, just saying, wouldn't we want to shelldock the maniac instead? he seems to be our wincon with doomsday. though, i understand being able to swing twice before we're out of cards with emrakul is an amazing backup.

@Bluemuzzy- it isnt fun, but it wins you the game right there and it puts youropponent on the clock. And whats to stop you from using Maniac as well? With the Emrakul plan, you still have 3 more cards in the DDS that you can use.

Honestly, I think the deck should revolve around a single combo with 1 piece of backup. Emrakul+maniac should do that. Everything else should be ways to enable the combo. Tutors and manipulation should be the core of the deck.

Bargain seems a bit slow for what we want, voting against it (T1 ritual off a painland+doomsday, T2 shelldock+emmy)

Adding a single mystical tutor

like i said. i'm normally against drazi, but i like this setup. it's super conditional, and we have to play it right to really make this work. i agree. the rest of the deck is now

fixing.

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like i said. i'm normally against drazi, but i like this setup. it's super conditional, and we have to play it right to really make this work. i agree. the rest of the deck is now

fixing.

same here as I think people use the 'drazi as a crutch, but in this case, it works out perfectly well for us.

If Emrakul is decided to be cut in favor of a pure maniac win-con, I'd go for Kozliek as he sets maniac off right then and there.

Kozilek, Butcher of Truth sounds like a good idea....adding one.

Normally, I hate Eldrazi mythics, but this deck puts a nice spin on it.

Deck numbers off as usual. Fixed.

On a side note....some high cc creatures here. Maybe a Quicksilver Amulet in case we don't have other means of casting? Or if our Doomsday plan gets countered?

With the Amulet, we wouldn't get the cast effect.....

Then again, they are BDB and sometimes you gotta see a problem as a nail in need of a good hammering.

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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth sounds like a good idea....adding one.

Normally, I hate Eldrazi mythics, but this deck puts a nice spin on it.

Same here, but since we're trying to cheap them into play in a very conditional way, i approve.

Adding 2 Credit Voucher- because it would suck if we draw both Eldrazi and both Shelldock Islands before we can get a Doomsday off. since Doomsday only exiles our deck and graveyard, we could use our hand as an auxillary holding capacity.
if you want to throw out a budget, we could swap the voucher for Scroll Rack... though honestly, after a Doomsday- the Voucher draws cards to trigger off the maniac Scroll Rack doesn't- even says so in the ruling "not a draw trigger".

Obstinate Familiar is a card easy enough to splash [add in a couple Crumbling Necropolis or Crosis's Catacomb] to negate any outside draws that'd kill us before we can get a Maniac on the field.

I also like the Griffin, i wish to up that to a full play set.

we could also do some big draw spells and have infinite handsize making our hand our library, and use the vouchers to drop some cards back in the library. i think library of leng does this nicely and stops discarders.

adding 2 library of leng

so now we should get some draw spells, and i'm voting up the voucher because it'll fix our hand wonderfully. if we had a lot of cards in hand and then vouched, we could basically fix our hand completely with the next cards in our library (20 for 20, etc) - i just realized that the cards we put back in the deck are cards we could draw, but thats still not a bad deal.

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Adding in 4 Brainstorm, its great for us seen we can use it for library manipulation and as a instance speed response to removal of the maniac for the win.

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You are right, my bad!

+1 Meditate as a draw 4 in the Doomsday pile. So we skip our next turn, we should win the turn we cast this.

Would a removal spell like Black Sun's Zenith fit here?

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Would a removal spell like Black Sun's Zenith fit here?

depends how late we get the combo active most of the time. I'd say no.

Also: Why are we using yawgmoth's agenda over necropotence?

Edit: Which banlist are we using? Vintage? Because legacy allows full set of brainstorm. Or are we just mixing and matching withing reasonable limits?

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Edit: Which banlist are we using? Vintage? Because legacy allows full set of brainstorm. Or are we just mixing and matching withing reasonable limits?

OP stated Vintage.

yawgmoth's bargain also let's you "draw" cards versus put cards into hand. I figured it prevents you from accidental decking, while accelerating you to the win with laboratory maniac.

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yawgmoth's bargain also let's you "draw" cards versus put cards into hand. I figured it prevents you from accidental decking, while accelerating you to the win with laboratory maniac.

I suppose, though necro also prevents decking and I doubt we will ever have more than 4 lands when doomsday goes off.

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I suppose, though necro also prevents decking and I doubt we will ever have more than 4 lands when doomsday goes off.

But since we are using Vintage banlist, necropotence doesn't work. Plus we have dark rituals, so it isn't impossible for us to use yawgmoth's bargain. It's a situational card but depending on the situation, we can use it to accelerate into a win.