Adding 2 Dragon Mage. it could be a late game finisher, smacking 5 to the face, then forcing theeveryone to draw a fresh hand- which, if all goes well, they won't be able to do anything- we'll have a fresh hand to finish them off.
any ideas about using Bottled Cloister to "protect" our hand during an opponent's turn- if they attempt to use draw to get back at us?
seconding votes to nix the Leonin- if all goes well, our artifacts would be protected as they can't play anything; and PfE- unless it's in our opening hand, or we use the Tome to get one- it won't do what we want it to do.
SELVAXRI! King of Misfortune & Master of Rocket Launchers "Do ya feel lucky? Because you'd better start runnin' while you still can." 375 Misfortune {+3 signed AP's} & 104 Rocket Launcher (41 AQ/ 63 Rev) Edgar Rice Burroughs, forgotten legend of the word.
Wow, I feel like I explained the inner workings of this deck for nothing.
Finish off Pull from Eternity, Leonin Abunas because they are superfluous with Welder.
Seconding votes to remove Howling Mine it does nothing at all in this deck and advances our strategy in exactly zero ways.
Adding 2 Zealous Conscripts because they're a wincon nobody ever decided to add.
-2 Abundance. It has anti-synergy with Words of War and lets us get around Uba Masks drawbacks, which pretty much every card in this deck already does, making it superfluous.
If you guys don't try to finish off bad cards before we hit 75, we will end up with an unplayable bad deck.
I'd rather go the blue route (wee Gush!) than green. With Red, we can go Obstinate Familiar if we can't keep a Word on the field, with a Prosperity.
for now, because the strategy is still pretty flimsy- using Kinship to mill? okay... I'm only adding 4 Forgotten Cave to provide a little extra draw when we finally get a Uba Mask.
SELVAXRI! King of Misfortune & Master of Rocket Launchers "Do ya feel lucky? Because you'd better start runnin' while you still can." 375 Misfortune {+3 signed AP's} & 104 Rocket Launcher (41 AQ/ 63 Rev) Edgar Rice Burroughs, forgotten legend of the word.
I agree.
Yes mono-colored is weaker than multi, but we have a deck built on synergy.
Im wondering if we should add maybe a 1-of of something like Myr Battlesphere or Steel Hellkite as another finisher, we can welder into. Myr perferred if we do, as we can amass a small army welder'ing it.
Adding 2 Goblin Matron as additional Kinship targets and tutors for our combos. I'm also for taking out the Howling Mine and Abundance. I feel they are taking this deck in the wrong direction - Cool Goblin Combos with Uba Mask for Control.
Adding 4 Lotus Petal. Accelerates mana, abusable with welder and we need something to hit the yard before we can start going hog wild with graveyard switching.
Finishing off Howling Mine.
Seconding removal votes for Reforge the Soul
Collecting votes for and removing Abundance
Voting Mangara's Tome out. Too clunky.
If we're going to be playing blue, Jace, the Mindsculptor does incredible work with Uba Mask and fatesealing an opponent who's in topdeck mode can be pretty nasty. Adding 2.
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Finishing off Howling Mine.
Seconding removal votes for Reforge the Soul
Collecting votes for and removing Abundance
Voting Mangara's Tome out. Too clunky.
wasn't there a whole deal in the gmad rules discussion about vague excuses?
"Too clunky" imo, doesn't explain how the card doesn't work with the synergy of the deck. "Too clunky" is lazy man's excuse who doesn't want to take a few minutes to explain his reasoning.
Voting ol Senior game-breaker... Once he hits the field, I doubt we'll even bother with the intended Kinship/Mill/Burn idea. His Fateseal ability doesn't really do anything for us in the long run if we're already exiling cards via the Uba Mask, so we already screwed our opponent's draw in the long run.
All we'd be doing is using it to power him up for his Ultimate. That's the only reason using Planeswalkers- predominately their broken ultimates.
besides, one of my rules of casual play-
I don't play cards that I can't afford. who wants to pony up $300 for two cards in a casual deck?
Yes, I know it's an "imaginary deck" but still...
Ya'know what? I feel like making this deck do something absurd. They want to play something? They ain't gonna get it.
2 Knowledge Pool. Any spell they try to cast from the Uba Mask's Exile zone, is instead a copy of spell from the Pool's Imprint Zone. could be a double-edged sword, but it'll make things interesting.
And that's why I play casual...
Okay, that won't work... Uba Mask removes them from the hand entirely; and with no hand to play spells from, that notion was bunk. meh.
um... 2 Words of Wisdom. a simple draw spell that we can turn into four damage with and force a draw.
SELVAXRI! King of Misfortune & Master of Rocket Launchers "Do ya feel lucky? Because you'd better start runnin' while you still can." 375 Misfortune {+3 signed AP's} & 104 Rocket Launcher (41 AQ/ 63 Rev) Edgar Rice Burroughs, forgotten legend of the word.
voting out zealous conscripts because the combo means that the focus of the deck shifts away from the mask, I like kiki jiki because it is a great utility card but conscripts just make the deck not around the card
voting out Jace because it doesn't have that synergy with mask and I want the deck to work around the mask. Jace does do searching but otherwise it just doesn't help the main card (price shouldn't matter)
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SELVAXRI! King of Misfortune & Master of Rocket Launchers "Do ya feel lucky? Because you'd better start runnin' while you still can." 375 Misfortune {+3 signed AP's} & 104 Rocket Launcher (41 AQ/ 63 Rev) Edgar Rice Burroughs, forgotten legend of the word.
exiling the cards with uba mask is essentially drawing them because it means that you can cast them. seeing as this deck currently plays no instants that aren't just more draw (ie, cards that it would not be beneficial to exile with uba mask), jace, the mindsculptor, essentially is an ancestral recall every turn.
exiling the cards with uba mask is essentially drawing them because it means that you can cast them. seeing as this deck currently plays no instants (ie, cards that it would not be beneficial to exile with uba mask), jace, the mindsculptor, essentially is an ancestral recall every turn.
you're forgetting one critical aspect of Uba Mask- we need to actually cast the spells exiled, and I don't see Omniscience. besides, I thought we planned on winning through Words of War burnination. we don't need to be drawing three cards- when we could be drawing four via multiple kinships; or through a Dragon Mage epiphany...
still the $170+ price tag is making me really hate the card. let's play Arcanis the omnipotent instead...
speaking of Kinship- 2 Guttersnipe. Triggers off the Sensation Gorger, and allows us to burn whenever we play other Goblin Shamans..
SELVAXRI! King of Misfortune & Master of Rocket Launchers "Do ya feel lucky? Because you'd better start runnin' while you still can." 375 Misfortune {+3 signed AP's} & 104 Rocket Launcher (41 AQ/ 63 Rev) Edgar Rice Burroughs, forgotten legend of the word.
Voting to keep Jace, the Mindsculptor. Accidentally milling yourself is not a realistic possibility in this deck. You will draw into an infinite combo before you mill out. I do not care about price; I made the pick rules legacy legality for this reason. It is too good to remove from this deck and allows us to cut the far inferior brainstorm.
Voting to keep Zealous Conscripts. It is a wincon with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker because it creates an infinite combo. Its secondary purpose is not to steal their creatures, it is to untap welder to allow us to continue shenaniganing if we have only one. It is also a fantastic target for Phyrexian Metamorph.
Voting out Brainstorm. If we have Jace, we don't need it. Brainstorm is also best cast at the end of your opponents turn. With Uba Mask on the board, we cannot do that.
Voting out Words of Wisdom. Same deal about the EOT as with Brainstorm. Doubly bad because except instead of being free draw like off of Jace, it costs 2 mana, further increasing the chances that we just pointlessly milled ourselves.
Voting out Reforge the Soul. I feel bad because all three votes are mine, but I can't believe nobody noticed that this card is near useless in this deck because it is impossible to trigger Miracle off of while Uba Mask is in play, which is the only time it isn't a bad card.
Voting out Guttersnipe. I'm not sure you read this card correctly because it only burns off of a casted instant or sorcery, of which there are only 4 in the deck.
Voting out Idle Thoughts. This should strike more people as obviously bad; if we're paying 2 mana to draw each card off of Uba Mask, we're probably not going to get to cast everything we draw.
Voting out Forgotten Cave. You cannot cycle a card if it is exiled with Uba Mask; cycling requires that you discard it as part of the cost.
Dragon Mage is a bad card but I will not cast any votes on it yet because it is at least sort of thematic. There better wincons that are cheaper.
Adding 1 Tezzeret the Seeker. I'd like to add 2, but I want to give the person after me to add cards without going to 75. I really, really, really would like someone to finish off some more of these cards because if we enter the cutting phase right now we will end up with an unplayable pile guaranteed.
I really don't like being the guy who has to vote out like 5 separate cards every turn but I'm not detecting a lot of thought going into these picks or a commitment to understanding the interactions the deck is currently using, which I've spilled probably more virtual ink describing than anyone else ITT. Please guys, we're really close to 75 so make the last few count.
Voting to keep Jace, the Mindsculptor. Accidentally milling yourself is not a realistic possibility in this deck. You will draw into an infinite combo before you mill out. I do not care about price; I made the pick rules legacy legality for this reason. It is too good to remove from this deck and allows us to cut the far inferior brainstorm.
Voting to keep Zealous Conscripts. It is a wincon with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker because it creates an infinite combo. Its secondary purpose is not to steal their creatures, it is to untap welder to allow us to continue shenaniganing if we have only one. It is also a fantastic target for Phyrexian Metamorph.
so... you're saying you'd rather keep a one-trick pony, just so you can potentially fetch a infinite combo that detracts from the deck and takes a bit of time and prep to set up?
without ramp, withholding the Uba Mask until after we set up the combo, is a waste of time.
I'd rather set up the Kinship chain, then attempt an infinite combo.
Voting out Brainstorm. If we have Jace, we don't need it. Brainstorm is also best cast at the end of your opponents turn. With Uba Mask on the board, we cannot do that.
Voting out Words of Wisdom. Same deal about the EOT as with Brainstorm. Doubly bad because except instead of being free draw like off of Jace, it costs 2 mana, further increasing the chances that we just pointlessly milled ourselves.
I think you've forgotten about Words of War. Brainstorm at the end of an opponent's turn, can cause a quick 6 damage no problem. Words of Wisdom, likewise- it's 4 damage that gives our opponent a card they have to deal with.
Voting out Reforge the Soul. I feel bad because all three votes are mine, but I can't believe nobody noticed that this card is near useless in this deck because it is impossible to trigger Miracle off of while Uba Mask is in play, which is the only time it isn't a bad card.
if you alone been voting out RtS, then you can't do that. It's a once-per vote.
I do agree that with the Uba Mask, it's useless in trying to Miracle off of it.
Voting out Guttersnipe. I'm not sure you read this card correctly because it only burns off of a casted instant or sorcery, of which there are only 4 in the deck.
true enough. how about switching it out for Goblin Arsonist? a cheap creature that can chain off the SG, that we can cast if Uba'd, and can die as a chump blocker or suicide runner.
I'm going to do that...
Voting out Idle Thoughts. This should strike more people as obviously bad; if we're paying 2 mana to draw each card off of Uba Mask, we're probably not going to get to cast everything we draw.
Voting to keep Idle thoughts. With Words of War, it's 2 damage for with mana to burn.
Adding 1 Tezzeret the Seeker. I'd like to add 2, but I want to give the person after me to add cards without going to 75. I really, really, really would like someone to finish off some more of these cards because if we enter the cutting phase right now we will end up with an unplayable pile guaranteed.
I don't see a "why" as to adding Tezzeret. We don't have any artifacts that need untapping, we don't really need to tutor for any artifacts, nor do we need to animate anything as a finisher.
Removing Tezzeret for lack of reasoning.
I really don't like being the guy who has to vote out like 5 separate cards every turn but I'm not detecting a lot of thought going into these picks or a commitment to understanding the interactions the deck is currently using, which I've spilled probably more virtual ink describing than anyone else ITT. Please guys, we're really close to 75 so make the last few count.[/QUOTE]
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I think you've forgotten about Words of War.
Brainstorm at the end of an opponent's turn, can cause a quick 6 damage no problem.
Words of Wisdom, likewise- it's 4 damage that gives our opponent a card they have to deal with.
You're aware of the fact that you cannot play instants on your opponent's turn if you have exiled them with Uba Mask, right? Instant cast draw effects like Brainstorm and Words of Wisdom are extremely bad because you have to play them the TURN you draw them (IE, NOT your opponent's turn), and THEN play the cards you drew off them to avoid wasting the draw you got off it. This is why Jace, the Mindsculptor is good in this deck. He is FREE draw after the first turn.
Voting to keep Idle thoughts. With Words of War, it's 2 damage for with mana to burn.
I can tell from your post count that you've been playing magic long enough to know that 2 damage for 3 mana is TERRIBLE, especially when it takes two cards to even do it. To break even on the card advantage, you'd have to pay SIX mana to even be on the level of Shock! To make this effect "worth it", you need to pay 6 mana to do 4 damage, which is approximately like paying the mana to cast 6 lightning bolts except only one and one third of them actually resolve and do damage. Not to mention, Idle Thoughts is a terrible card with Uba Mask because it:
a) occupies the same CMC slot
b) gets a lot of its utility from its ability to draw on your opponent's turn, which just exiles you useless cards because unless you cast them before your opponent ends his turn (unlikely given that we only have 4 instants), you lose them forever.
c) requires that you pay 2 mana to draw, which reduces the chances that you'll actually have the mana to cast the cards you drew, making it a waste of a turn when you're sitting there staring solemnly at the heap of exiled 4-cmc cards that you payed 2 to draw into on turn 5.
This card is BAD with a capital B, A, and D.
so... you're saying you'd rather keep a one-trick pony, just so you can potentially fetch a infinite combo that detracts from the deck and takes a bit of time and prep to set up?
I don't feel like I need to justify Jace this deeply, but I think I need to break it down because he is a FOUR trick pony. Let's look at each of his abilities.
+1: If your opponent is topdecking, this can be backbreaking. He needs to get 2 gas cards to line up next to each other in his deck in order to even regain board presence.
+0: This is an ancestral recall every turn FOR FREE. It is literally better than every other draw ability in this deck combined. Better than Sensation Gorger, better than Mangara's tome. You have this weird idea of milling stuck deep in your head but I'm trying to get it out because it will NOT happen with this deck EVER (unless your opponent forces you to). You will never die by drawing your whole library playing this deck. I challenge you to provide a feasible situation where this can happen.
-1: You bounce a creature, pass the turn and your opponent draws. If they don't have enough mana to cast both the creature and whatever they drew, you've given them a really awful choice to deal with.
-12: Your opponent dies. They'll have no hand because of Uba Mask and they lose when you pass the turn.
Uba Mask improves every single one Jace's abilities considerably. Every last one. He has more interactions with it than any card in the deck. He deserves to be in this deck more than every other card combined.
Also, just double checking to make sure that you know that Kinship won't double trigger off of a creature that shares two creature types with SG. (ie, finding goblin shamans is useless, find either goblins or shamans, it doesn't make a difference and you'll find better cards).
I think Brainstorm is absolutely fine in this deck. Who cares if it's not being used as an instant. It's still draw 3 for (U) with Uba Mask in play. That's really good!
Words of Wisdom on the other hand, is pretty much jank - if you are thinking "Minus the Drawback" because of Uba Mask I get it, but Brainstorm is so much better in that scenario. Voting to boot it.
All that said, I think we should get to the cutting phase soon - we have a very respectable shell.
any ideas about using Bottled Cloister to "protect" our hand during an opponent's turn- if they attempt to use draw to get back at us?
seconding votes to nix the Leonin- if all goes well, our artifacts would be protected as they can't play anything; and PfE- unless it's in our opening hand, or we use the Tome to get one- it won't do what we want it to do.
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Finish off Pull from Eternity, Leonin Abunas because they are superfluous with Welder.
Seconding votes to remove Howling Mine it does nothing at all in this deck and advances our strategy in exactly zero ways.
Adding 2 Zealous Conscripts because they're a wincon nobody ever decided to add.
-2 Abundance. It has anti-synergy with Words of War and lets us get around Uba Masks drawbacks, which pretty much every card in this deck already does, making it superfluous.
If you guys don't try to finish off bad cards before we hit 75, we will end up with an unplayable bad deck.
for now, because the strategy is still pretty flimsy- using Kinship to mill? okay... I'm only adding 4 Forgotten Cave to provide a little extra draw when we finally get a Uba Mask.
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Yes mono-colored is weaker than multi, but we have a deck built on synergy.
Im wondering if we should add maybe a 1-of of something like Myr Battlesphere or Steel Hellkite as another finisher, we can welder into. Myr perferred if we do, as we can amass a small army welder'ing it.
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Collecting votes for and removing Abundance
Voting Mangara's Tome out. Too clunky.
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If we're going to be playing blue, Jace, the Mindsculptor does incredible work with Uba Mask and fatesealing an opponent who's in topdeck mode can be pretty nasty. Adding 2.
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wasn't there a whole deal in the gmad rules discussion about vague excuses?
"Too clunky" imo, doesn't explain how the card doesn't work with the synergy of the deck. "Too clunky" is lazy man's excuse who doesn't want to take a few minutes to explain his reasoning.
Voting ol Senior game-breaker... Once he hits the field, I doubt we'll even bother with the intended Kinship/Mill/Burn idea. His Fateseal ability doesn't really do anything for us in the long run if we're already exiling cards via the Uba Mask, so we already screwed our opponent's draw in the long run.
All we'd be doing is using it to power him up for his Ultimate. That's the only reason using Planeswalkers- predominately their broken ultimates.
besides, one of my rules of casual play-
I don't play cards that I can't afford. who wants to pony up $300 for two cards in a casual deck?
Yes, I know it's an "imaginary deck" but still...
Ya'know what? I feel like making this deck do something absurd. They want to play something? They ain't gonna get it.2 Knowledge Pool. Any spell they try to cast from the Uba Mask's Exile zone, is instead a copy of spell from the Pool's Imprint Zone. could be a double-edged sword, but it'll make things interesting.
And that's why I play casual...
Okay, that won't work... Uba Mask removes them from the hand entirely; and with no hand to play spells from, that notion was bunk. meh.
um... 2 Words of Wisdom. a simple draw spell that we can turn into four damage with and force a draw.
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voting out Jace because it doesn't have that synergy with mask and I want the deck to work around the mask. Jace does do searching but otherwise it just doesn't help the main card (price shouldn't matter)
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explain how voluntarily exiling three cards from your deck, and the possibility of not topdecking is "good"?
give me Mana Severance or Manipulate Fate if you want to willingly thin your deck.
King of Misfortune & Master of Rocket Launchers
"Do ya feel lucky? Because you'd better start runnin' while you still can."
375 Misfortune {+3 signed AP's} & 104 Rocket Launcher (41 AQ/ 63 Rev)
Edgar Rice Burroughs, forgotten legend of the word.
you're forgetting one critical aspect of Uba Mask- we need to actually cast the spells exiled, and I don't see Omniscience. besides, I thought we planned on winning through Words of War burnination. we don't need to be drawing three cards- when we could be drawing four via multiple kinships; or through a Dragon Mage epiphany...
still the $170+ price tag is making me really hate the card. let's play Arcanis the omnipotent instead...
speaking of Kinship- 2 Guttersnipe. Triggers off the Sensation Gorger, and allows us to burn whenever we play other Goblin Shamans..
Voting out Zealous Conscripts. give me Grab the Reins or Ray of Command if we want to snatch'n'grab something.
3 Uba Mask
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Mangara's Tome (1 @ -1, 1 @ -2)
4 Lotus Petal
Planeswalkers (2)
2 Jace, the Mindsculptor (-2)
Enchantments (2)
2 Words of War
2 Idle Thoughts
2 Guttersnipe
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Goblin Welder
2 Goblin Matron
4 Sensation Gorger
2 Phyrexian Metamorph
2 Dragon Mage
2 Zealous Conscripts (2@-2)
4 Brainstorm
2 Words of Wisdom
Sorceries (2)
2 Reforge the Soul (2 @ -2)
Land (24)
17 Maze of Ith
3 Keldon Megaliths
4 Forgotten Cave
King of Misfortune & Master of Rocket Launchers
"Do ya feel lucky? Because you'd better start runnin' while you still can."
375 Misfortune {+3 signed AP's} & 104 Rocket Launcher (41 AQ/ 63 Rev)
Edgar Rice Burroughs, forgotten legend of the word.
Voting to keep Zealous Conscripts. It is a wincon with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker because it creates an infinite combo. Its secondary purpose is not to steal their creatures, it is to untap welder to allow us to continue shenaniganing if we have only one. It is also a fantastic target for Phyrexian Metamorph.
Voting out Brainstorm. If we have Jace, we don't need it. Brainstorm is also best cast at the end of your opponents turn. With Uba Mask on the board, we cannot do that.
Voting out Words of Wisdom. Same deal about the EOT as with Brainstorm. Doubly bad because except instead of being free draw like off of Jace, it costs 2 mana, further increasing the chances that we just pointlessly milled ourselves.
Voting out Reforge the Soul. I feel bad because all three votes are mine, but I can't believe nobody noticed that this card is near useless in this deck because it is impossible to trigger Miracle off of while Uba Mask is in play, which is the only time it isn't a bad card.
Voting out Guttersnipe. I'm not sure you read this card correctly because it only burns off of a casted instant or sorcery, of which there are only 4 in the deck.
Voting out Idle Thoughts. This should strike more people as obviously bad; if we're paying 2 mana to draw each card off of Uba Mask, we're probably not going to get to cast everything we draw.
Voting out Forgotten Cave. You cannot cycle a card if it is exiled with Uba Mask; cycling requires that you discard it as part of the cost.
Dragon Mage is a bad card but I will not cast any votes on it yet because it is at least sort of thematic. There better wincons that are cheaper.
Adding 1 Tezzeret the Seeker. I'd like to add 2, but I want to give the person after me to add cards without going to 75. I really, really, really would like someone to finish off some more of these cards because if we enter the cutting phase right now we will end up with an unplayable pile guaranteed.
3 Uba Mask
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Mangara's Tome (1 @ -1, 1 @ -2)
4 Lotus Petal
Planeswalkers (2)
2 Jace, the Mindsculptor (1 @ -2)
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
Enchantments (2)
2 Words of War
2 Idle Thoughts (1 @ -2)
4 Brainstorm (1 @ -4)
2 Words of Wisdom (1 @ -2)
Creatures (20)
2 Guttersnipe (1 @ -2)
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Goblin Welder
2 Goblin Matron
4 Sensation Gorger
2 Phyrexian Metamorph
2 Dragon Mage
2 Zealous Conscripts (1@-2)
2 Words of Wisdom (1 @ -2)
Land (24)
17 Maze of Ith
3 Keldon Megaliths
4 Forgotten Cave (1 @ -4)
I really don't like being the guy who has to vote out like 5 separate cards every turn but I'm not detecting a lot of thought going into these picks or a commitment to understanding the interactions the deck is currently using, which I've spilled probably more virtual ink describing than anyone else ITT. Please guys, we're really close to 75 so make the last few count.
so... you're saying you'd rather keep a one-trick pony, just so you can potentially fetch a infinite combo that detracts from the deck and takes a bit of time and prep to set up?
without ramp, withholding the Uba Mask until after we set up the combo, is a waste of time.
I'd rather set up the Kinship chain, then attempt an infinite combo.
I think you've forgotten about Words of War.
Brainstorm at the end of an opponent's turn, can cause a quick 6 damage no problem.
Words of Wisdom, likewise- it's 4 damage that gives our opponent a card they have to deal with.
if you alone been voting out RtS, then you can't do that. It's a once-per vote.
I do agree that with the Uba Mask, it's useless in trying to Miracle off of it.
true enough. how about switching it out for Goblin Arsonist? a cheap creature that can chain off the SG, that we can cast if Uba'd, and can die as a chump blocker or suicide runner.
I'm going to do that...
Voting to keep Idle thoughts. With Words of War, it's 2 damage for with mana to burn.
I don't see a "why" as to adding Tezzeret. We don't have any artifacts that need untapping, we don't really need to tutor for any artifacts, nor do we need to animate anything as a finisher.
Removing Tezzeret for lack of reasoning.
3 Uba Mask
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Mangara's Tome (1 @ -1, 1 @ -2)
4 Lotus Petal
Planeswalkers (2)
2 Jace, the Mindsculptor (1 @ -2)
Enchantments (2)
2 Words of War
2 Idle Thoughts
4 Brainstorm (1 @ -4)
2 Words of Wisdom (1 @ -2)
Creatures (20)
2 Goblin Arsonist
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Goblin Welder
2 Goblin Matron
4 Sensation Gorger
2 Phyrexian Metamorph
2 Dragon Mage
2 Zealous Conscripts ([EMAIL="1@-2"]1@-2[/EMAIL])
4 Brainstorm (1 @ -4)
2 Words of Wisdom (1 @ -2)
Land (24)
17 Maze of Ith
3 Keldon Megaliths
4 Forgotten Cave (1 @ -4)
I really don't like being the guy who has to vote out like 5 separate cards every turn but I'm not detecting a lot of thought going into these picks or a commitment to understanding the interactions the deck is currently using, which I've spilled probably more virtual ink describing than anyone else ITT. Please guys, we're really close to 75 so make the last few count.[/QUOTE]
King of Misfortune & Master of Rocket Launchers
"Do ya feel lucky? Because you'd better start runnin' while you still can."
375 Misfortune {+3 signed AP's} & 104 Rocket Launcher (41 AQ/ 63 Rev)
Edgar Rice Burroughs, forgotten legend of the word.
You're aware of the fact that you cannot play instants on your opponent's turn if you have exiled them with Uba Mask, right? Instant cast draw effects like Brainstorm and Words of Wisdom are extremely bad because you have to play them the TURN you draw them (IE, NOT your opponent's turn), and THEN play the cards you drew off them to avoid wasting the draw you got off it. This is why Jace, the Mindsculptor is good in this deck. He is FREE draw after the first turn.
I can tell from your post count that you've been playing magic long enough to know that 2 damage for 3 mana is TERRIBLE, especially when it takes two cards to even do it. To break even on the card advantage, you'd have to pay SIX mana to even be on the level of Shock! To make this effect "worth it", you need to pay 6 mana to do 4 damage, which is approximately like paying the mana to cast 6 lightning bolts except only one and one third of them actually resolve and do damage. Not to mention, Idle Thoughts is a terrible card with Uba Mask because it:
a) occupies the same CMC slot
b) gets a lot of its utility from its ability to draw on your opponent's turn, which just exiles you useless cards because unless you cast them before your opponent ends his turn (unlikely given that we only have 4 instants), you lose them forever.
c) requires that you pay 2 mana to draw, which reduces the chances that you'll actually have the mana to cast the cards you drew, making it a waste of a turn when you're sitting there staring solemnly at the heap of exiled 4-cmc cards that you payed 2 to draw into on turn 5.
This card is BAD with a capital B, A, and D.
I don't feel like I need to justify Jace this deeply, but I think I need to break it down because he is a FOUR trick pony. Let's look at each of his abilities.
+1: If your opponent is topdecking, this can be backbreaking. He needs to get 2 gas cards to line up next to each other in his deck in order to even regain board presence.
+0: This is an ancestral recall every turn FOR FREE. It is literally better than every other draw ability in this deck combined. Better than Sensation Gorger, better than Mangara's tome. You have this weird idea of milling stuck deep in your head but I'm trying to get it out because it will NOT happen with this deck EVER (unless your opponent forces you to). You will never die by drawing your whole library playing this deck. I challenge you to provide a feasible situation where this can happen.
-1: You bounce a creature, pass the turn and your opponent draws. If they don't have enough mana to cast both the creature and whatever they drew, you've given them a really awful choice to deal with.
-12: Your opponent dies. They'll have no hand because of Uba Mask and they lose when you pass the turn.
Uba Mask improves every single one Jace's abilities considerably. Every last one. He has more interactions with it than any card in the deck. He deserves to be in this deck more than every other card combined.
Also, just double checking to make sure that you know that Kinship won't double trigger off of a creature that shares two creature types with SG. (ie, finding goblin shamans is useless, find either goblins or shamans, it doesn't make a difference and you'll find better cards).
I think Brainstorm is absolutely fine in this deck. Who cares if it's not being used as an instant. It's still draw 3 for (U) with Uba Mask in play. That's really good!
Words of Wisdom on the other hand, is pretty much jank - if you are thinking "Minus the Drawback" because of Uba Mask I get it, but Brainstorm is so much better in that scenario. Voting to boot it.
All that said, I think we should get to the cutting phase soon - we have a very respectable shell.
3 Uba Mask
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Mangara's Tome (1 @ -1, 1 @ -2)
4 Lotus Petal
Planeswalkers (2)
2 Jace, the Mindsculptor (1 @ -2)
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
Enchantments (2)
2 Words of War
2 Idle Thoughts
4 Brainstorm (1 @ -4)
2 Words of Wisdom (2 @ -2)
Creatures (20)
2 Goblin Arsonist
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Goblin Welder
2 Goblin Matron
4 Sensation Gorger
2 Phyrexian Metamorph
2 Dragon Mage
2 Zealous Conscripts (1@-2)
2 Words of Wisdom (1 @ -2)
Land (24)
13 Maze of Ith
4 Great Furnace
3 Keldon Megaliths
4 Forgotten Cave (1 @ -4)
3 Uba Mask
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Mangara's Tome (1 @ -1, 1 @ -2)
4 Lotus Petal
Planeswalkers (3)
2 Jace, the Mindsculptor (1 @ -2)
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
2 Words of War
2 Idle Thoughts
Instants (6)
4 Brainstorm (1 @ -4)
2 Words of Wisdom (2 @ -2)
Creatures (20)
2 Goblin Arsonist
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Goblin Welder
2 Goblin Matron
4 Sensation Gorger
2 Phyrexian Metamorph
2 Dragon Mage
2 Zealous Conscripts (1@-2)
13 Maze of Ith
4 Great Furnace
3 Keldon Megaliths
4 Forgotten Cave (1 @ -4)
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