MTG Salvation

Verge actually ramps us.

I'll vote out a Cabal Therapy. I'll also reorder our lands.

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And why Krosan verge versus the actual fetchland? They're really not that expensive any more (not that there was a budget to begin with).

1> The Verge fetches two lands compared to the Fetch's one.
2> It produces mana, when the Fetch's can't.
3> If we can time it right when a Explorer dies, we can quickly sac it to fetch without having to invest in time to do so.

And yes, it was meant to fetch the duals.

Voting down Overgrown Tomb- down to two, and two open slots Forest/Plains maybe?- and Godless Shrine, because we need basics for the Explorer to fetch when he dies. We currently only have 6 basics- and i'm the type of player that prefers to keep have my landbase basics. And frankly im surprised no one added SandSteppe Citadel... maybe we can add it if the Watchtower goes.

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Voting down Overgrown Tomb- down to two, and two open slots Forest/Plains maybe?- and Godless Shrine, because we need basics for the Explorer to fetch when he dies. We currently only have 6 basics- and i'm the type of player that prefers to keep have my landbase basics. And frankly im surprised no one added SandSteppe Citadel... maybe we can add it if the Watchtower goes.

I don't like the comes in tapped lands. That said, if you want a tri-colored land, check out Murmuring Bosk. Sure sometimes it damages you, but you can fetch it with Krosan Verge as a forest. Most of the time we want it as a green land anyway, and there's no penalty for that. If you fetch Bosk + Temple garden you can tap for Black when you need it, and you can tap for double white when you need it.

Because our curve goes up to 8 we should probably aim for 8 basics total to allow for playing around non-basic hate while still casting biorhythm. Comes into play tapped lands are awful, sorry. I am dissapointed that we don't have any 2cmc spells to play off of a veteran explorer sac. t1 explorer, t2 land + cabal therapy, flashback cabal therapy, can lead into a 2 or 3 cmc spell.

With the curve of the deck so high, and with not a lot of early game, i don't mind Tapped-lands especially if we get them early to play on the dead turns. we only have four cards that rely on black, i say we drop the swamps in favor of some Plains/Forests. We can use the Verge to fetch the Swamp- duals we need, when we need them.

When playing a 5 drop on turn 3 is dependent on not having tap lands, I would consider them a pretty big drawback.

I guess the dragon isn't eternal. Buhbye

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I guess the dragon isn't eternal. Buhbye

You make me sad, that dragon was my friend.

I'm going to vote out Darien. I don't think he's that good in here. I like the beast as a 6 drop more. Darien doesn't give us any value post wrath, and he seems like something you'd want in a soul sisters deck, but not really here. This is the third vote against him. -- Gone.

You make me even more sad. =( not to mention ruining my interest in this deck.

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You make me even more sad. =( not to mention ruining my interest in this deck.

I've struggled myself to keep interest in the deck, it never settled on a strategy.

Voting out- Heirophants. I love the card, in the right deck it can generate massive amounts of mana. but we have Freyalise to spit out Llanies.
Voting down 2 Biorhythm- i know it's the "build around" card, but it's not vital to the deck- as the strategy is riddled with holes. i think we're aiming for it to be a one-shot kill card after a Rebirth.
Voting down Divine Reckoning- it's a good strategy, keep Elesh, get tokens from the Beast, and swarm them. but compared to the Rebirth, it still leaves them with a creature.

The problem is our token production is pitiful

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The problem is our token production is pitiful

I asked which way people wanted to swing the deck, but no one seemed to say anything one way or the other. We could have easily built this deck as a Token-Generator with sweep on the side. With the Symbiotic and Penumbral creatures, with Parallel Lives and Population in for kicks, we could have ensured that after a Sweep we have both an Army to stomp them and plenty of tokens to make BioRhythm worthwhile.

Monkey Cage would have been fun, considering the curve of the deck.
Snake Basket would have been nice, if we had a ramp-plan.

Did you check out the decklist i posted a few pages back, that embraces both Darien's "self-inclicting" idea, board sweeps, and Penbrumal Population?

I think you're dramatically under representing the power of this deck. If I were constructing from scratch, I'd aim for some more disruption and ramp (primeval/sun titans with fetches) but the threats are real and land by turn 4. I'm also going to agree on a singleton cut on biorhythm, I just don't think 4 of on the highest costing card in the deck is smart. I'm hoping we can get third votes on Citanul Hierophans and Forbidding Watchtower. I'd put a vote in against the board wipes, but I can't remember if I already voted on them.

I'll get even on the Hierophants. Cut.

I'll agree to cut a single Biorythm. I'm going to vote against cutting the other copy.

What's bugging me the most right now is the last Living Plane! Will no one cast the final vote on the singleton?

Also, If you're not having a good time, no one is forcing you to play. If you don't have any votes or even a constructive comment, feel free to keep it to yourself. This is addressed at no one in particular, just a general thought (I wish English had a wider variety of conjugation).

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Also, If you're not having a good time, no one is forcing you to play. If you don't have any votes or even a constructive comment, feel free to keep it to yourself. This is addressed at no one in particular, just a general thought (I wish English had a wider variety of conjugation).

in my defense I was just voicing an opinion on the deck constriction. I stated multiple times what I think constructively.

I'm thinking -2 Feyalize, -2 divine reckoning, and -1 Solemn for deck completion. I actually like living plane, and if I were including sideboard, I would include enlightened tutors on it to make the enchantment playable as a singleton.

I'll throw a vote to -2 Divine Reckoning. I don't really like this card here.

I do kind of like having the 2 Freyalise though. She is a non-creature token producer, plus she gives 'free' disenchants and ramps. I believe I've already voted against the sad golem.

We need to get this deck finished and move on to the next one

Voting down BoP by 2- hopefully we'll have the Explorers to get the lands we need to cast what we need. there really isn't an important need to splash.
Voting down Awakening Zone by 1- odds are: if we get this out early, we'll be sacrifice the drones to cast our spells.

No one likes the watchtower... So i'll vote it out, and fix the mana base....

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I'd vote against both Elesh Norn's. The deck is about Biorhythm and Elesh Norn is a win condition by itself. The fun of the deck is in casting Biorhythm, not cast Elesh Norn, alpha attack and win the game.

Can't add stuff anymore unfortunately, but since we have a mythic biorhythm-on-a-stick-which-also-ramps creature which name I forgot, I would have included that one

Be sure to update the list when posting a vote. I think I mentioned the Shaman of Forgotten Ways earlier, but no one seemed to want to add him.

Went ahead and added your vote to -2 Elesh. Updated list below. We're getting real close to the end on this one. Elesh doesn't actually have to be a win condition, we can use recurring nightmare to overwhelm people with insects and squirrels even without her.

Taking out Elesh Norn makes a lot of sense at this point. It's also very expensive, it doesn't contribute to making Biorhythm that much better, and reanimating it is extremely difficult. I'll also vote to remove it.

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last downvote for elesh

I'll change my vote on Altar of Bone and use my GMaD Host power of triple-vote to remove two copies of it.

\o/ Completed!

good job everyone

1. GumgodMTG
2. FTW1987
3. Selvaxri
4. kamakazi339
5. Kumlekar
6. CalvinSchwa