what would you guys recommend in putting in an unlimited dragon deck? (funds almost dont matter) I have been collecting dragons for a little bit and have almost all of the except for maybe zodiac ($150) and one or two others. I have been reading some of the decks people have built but then you get people saying to take this out/ add this/ add that etc so I never really got a good final deck. I will post some of the cards I have gotten so far. I am building a mono red and a R/G/B dragon deck.
what would you guys recommend in putting in an unlimited dragon deck? (funds almost dont matter) I have been collecting dragons for a little bit and have almost all of the except for maybe zodiac ($150) and one or two others. I have been reading some of the decks people have built but then you get people saying to take this out/ add this/ add that etc so I never really got a good final deck. I will post some of the cards I have gotten so far. I am building a mono red and a R/G/B dragon deck.
If you have unlimited founds and want to go to the top, Dragon Stompy on legacy forum is really strong, some decks with single dragons but really powerful are: Worldgorger Combo (Worldgorger Dragon), Astral Slide (Eternal Dragon), Greater Good (KamigawaDragons) and even Dragonstorm (with Bogardan Hellkite)
Except of known winning lists, you can use something like my build (TS Dragons), which is pretty strong vs creature based decks, but that's a personal choice and not so much reliable as the above mentioned.
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2) Attack with Scion and turn him into Kokusho or Bolas
3) Reanimate those bad boys and protect them with the Greaves
There it is. Bring on the insults ( i mean advice ). I cannot afford sarkhan vol. That's the first thing i am going to get through. I also have a budget of about 40 bucks. Right now, its a bit over. I might not be able to find savage lands, so i might replace them with just 4 swamps. Help would be greatly appreciated
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well, you could potentially do karoo lands like izzet boilerworks (i forgot the black-red one, so sue me.) you also dont have enough ramp. take out some lands, put in some mana-elves like llanowar elves. these you can sack to devour, and also chuck more than one a turn.
There it is. Bring on the insults ( i mean advice ). I cannot afford sarkhan vol. That's the first thing i am going to get through. I also have a budget of about 40 bucks. Right now, its a bit over. I might not be able to find savage lands, so i might replace them with just 4 swamps. Help would be greatly appreciated
Hmm, good stuff. I'm not toooo fond of Borderland Ranger, instead I have Sakura-Tribe Elder in my deck. You could do Birds of Paradise, which would help mana fixing for the Broodmates. If on budget then maybe Llanowar elves. Crucibles are nice, but could be substituted for Dragonspeaker Shamans or Krosan Drovers (1 more mana to do what Dragonspeaker does for you, but only like 9 cents a copy). Dragon Fodder can be replaced by Mogg War Marshal. Mogg War Marshal essentially does the same thing, but you have a chance of blocking and still getting two tokens for the same mana cost as Dragon Fodder.
The steps to play are:
1) Kill and mana excel in the beginning
2) Attack with Scion and turn him into Kokusho or Bolas
3) Reanimate those bad boys and protect them with the Greaves
Why not run Teneb, The Harvester instead of the one-shot reanimator spells? You can even "tutor" him out of the deck with Scion and use his 2B ability to pull a dragon back.
Why not run Teneb, The Harvester instead of the one-shot reanimator spells? You can even "tutor" him out of the deck with Scion and use his 2B ability to pull a dragon back.
Of course Harrow and Kodama's Reach fetches more lands, but the mentioned cards are plain faster, you can reach a solid 5 mana on 3rd turn (1st - mana, Search, 2nd - mana, Sakura, 3rd - mana - Scion)
Elder is a very likely card since it can chomp block early on, or even beat if unblocked. It's a fetcher with legs.
Instead of Damnation, I'd run Infest instead, you don't need a late sweeper, but an early one to control things 'til you start dropping the Dragons, and even if you manage some Dragons in, you'll be still able to cast Infest since it won't take down your Dragons just their creatures.
So: 20 lands + 12 fetchers + up to 20 Creatures + 8 Removal
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There it is. Bring on the insults ( i mean advice ). I cannot afford sarkhan vol. That's the first thing i am going to get through. I also have a budget of about 40 bucks. Right now, its a bit over. I might not be able to find savage lands, so i might replace them with just 4 swamps. Help would be greatly appreciated
I forgot. It would be nice to keep it t2, that way i have something to take to an local fnm for fun.
I thought about putting mana elves in, but the only problem i can see is that they only produce green mana, and my dragons need red. Altough, rampant growht and harrow could fetch green mana, and trace could also produce red, I'm still not quite sure. Another question. What would i take out for the elves? First thing that came to mind was the rangers, but they make up for can fetch lands to my hand, thinning my deck.
More help please!!!!!!
PS: I've noticed something. You always get alot of help on your first decklist post, but then the help stops or slows down dramaticly. Anybody else notice?
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PS: I've noticed something. You always get alot of help on your first decklist post, but then the help stops or slows down dramaticly. Anybody else notice?
That's a common thing to happen, usually when you post the deck, people give their thoughts about it, and if they say everything right away, there is nothing to say further, so it becomes up to you decide what to use and what to dismiss from the suggestions.
Another thing that happens is, people share they thoughts, the user asking for help don't change a thing (or just minor things that don't really impact the deck), and he asks for help again, so no one else comes, because if he want to know people thoughts, it's just go back and read the preview ones.
But that's cool, i usually go back to preview suggestions given to my decks that i asked help to improve it, so i can just suggest do the same.
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oh so here is the sideboard, first off, dont put land in the sideboard, decide previously how much land you want and how much you're comfortable with, that shouldn't change. also i think you should include the lightning bolt in the main deck incase you start off slow, to prevent early damage.
EDIT: i read previously that this deck was kinda over budget, volcanic fallout is kinda expensive dont you think, but then again maybe your budget grew
oh so here is the sideboard, first off, dont put land in the sideboard, decide previously how much land you want and how much you're comfortable with, that shouldn't change. also i think you should include the lightning bolt in the main deck incase you start off slow, to prevent early damage.
EDIT: i read previously that this deck was kinda over budget, volcanic fallout is kinda expensive dont you think, but then again maybe your budget grew
My main deck is very little black. If i were to sideboard in 4 terminates, i would also need more swamps. Pyroclasm and volcanic fallout and dragon fodder is to keep me alive in the beggining incase im fasing weenie. otherwise, i run terminate
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one question then, why is volcanic fallout in your sideboard and pyroclasm in your main....and i never said put in terminate, i said lightning bolt should be in your main deck
If i get over rushed, i would like more sweepers right?
Terminate is more solid removal than lightning bolt, but i may want to run 8 removal? Try to think of the reasons before you go asking.
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i don't think u understood what i was trying to say, i think that volcanic fallout should be in the main NOT pyroclasm, if u want to run both, thats fine. also i think that lightning bolt should be in your MAIN and terminate you can stick in side so if you want to put in Swamps and terminate its ok. thats all im trying to say. i wasn't really asking u a question, just trying to make u understand my put in a different way:)
i don't think u understood what i was trying to say, i think that volcanic fallout should be in the main NOT pyroclasm, if u want to run both, thats fine. also i think that lightning bolt should be in your MAIN and terminate you can stick in side so if you want to put in Swamps and terminate its ok. thats all im trying to say. i wasn't really asking u a question, just trying to make u understand my put in a different way:)
Fallout is 1 more mana, for something I DONT NEED. In case you havn't realized, MONO BLUE IS DEAD in standard, and i mana people would be playing it anymore. The reason why i keep LB in my sideboard is because there isnt much i have to take out. If my cards are not either dragons or ramp, with the exception of crucible, they are to prevent me from being aggro-ed to death!( dragon fodder, and the sweeper. Yes i know they kind of counteract, but i normall sweep, then fodder.) If i find out im not facing aggro, ( and the metagame is really quite aggroish), would side out my aggro hate into removal, such as terminate and lb.
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the fact is not whether it can be countered by blue but rather that volcanic fallout is just a significantlly better card then pyroclasm, why not run 2 of each, and then u can get the best out of both your sweepers. Do what you wish, but thats what i would definately do.
It really depends on your local meta I'd say. I think that one more mana for damage to players and counter-proof is good, but I don't think you nessecarily need it, because first of all, there aren't many good counters anymore ,and second of all, you shoudl be beating face with dragons, not instants.
if youre running pyroclasm, why on earth would you not run volcanic fallout. and if you're already beating face with dragons, you want to deal damage to players.
the point of magic is not to kill an opponents creatures, but rather to kill the opponent himself.
Because you don't require volcanic fallout; and it costs more, and it has more colour restraints. I don't think you've grasped the concept of removal. You need to kill their creatures, so you live, and they die. It's simple.
if youre running pyroclasm, why on earth would you not run volcanic fallout. and if you're already beating face with dragons, you want to deal damage to players.
the point of magic is not to kill an opponents creatures, but rather to kill the opponent himself.
You really dont understand do you? PYROCLASM IF 1 MANA CHEAPER. UNDERSTAND? Mono blue is dead in standard, so the "cannot be countered" really is not as inportant. If i am having trouble, i will sideboard in. 2 freaking damage is uselss, because my dragons will be spitting fire in your faces, who needs that 2 damage headstart? Instant speed is also not as neccassary, other than preventing haste damage. It is like buying icecream. You can add the sprinkles for 1 dollar extra. I'd rather have sprinkles, but i dont want to pay that 1 dollar ( mana). Of course, if my friend is coming, and we are not allowed to buy more than 1 type of icecream, i will order the icecream without sprinkes, and add in icecream with sprinkles just so they are diffrent icream( i cant run 8 pyroclasm). UNDERSTAND?
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If you have unlimited founds and want to go to the top, Dragon Stompy on legacy forum is really strong, some decks with single dragons but really powerful are: Worldgorger Combo (Worldgorger Dragon), Astral Slide (Eternal Dragon), Greater Good (Kamigawa Dragons) and even Dragonstorm (with Bogardan Hellkite)
Except of known winning lists, you can use something like my build (TS Dragons), which is pretty strong vs creature based decks, but that's a personal choice and not so much reliable as the above mentioned.
The steps to play are:
1) Kill and mana excel in the beginning
2) Attack with Scion and turn him into Kokusho or Bolas
3) Reanimate those bad boys and protect them with the Greaves
2 Plains
2 Island
2 Swamp
12 Forest
2 Mountain
4 Terramorphic Expanse
2 Nicol Bolas
4 Scion of the Ur-Dragon
4 Kokusho, the Evening Star
MANA EXCEL 8
4 Harrow
4 Kodama's Reach
4 Putrefy
4 Damnation
4 Chainer's Edict
REANIMATE 3
3 Zombify
UTILITY 3
3 Lightning Greaves
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--- Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief --- Ghoulcaller Gisa --- Akroma, Angel of Fury --- Titania, Protector of Argoth ---
3x Broodmate Dragon
4x Predator dragon
4x Dragon Fodder
4x Pyroclasm
4x Rampant growth
4x Crucible of fire
4x Borderland ranger
4x Harrow
4x Trace of abundance
4x Savage lands
12x Mountain
10x Forest
There it is. Bring on the insults ( i mean advice ). I cannot afford sarkhan vol. That's the first thing i am going to get through. I also have a budget of about 40 bucks. Right now, its a bit over. I might not be able to find savage lands, so i might replace them with just 4 swamps. Help would be greatly appreciated
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Hmm, good stuff. I'm not toooo fond of Borderland Ranger, instead I have Sakura-Tribe Elder in my deck. You could do Birds of Paradise, which would help mana fixing for the Broodmates. If on budget then maybe Llanowar elves. Crucibles are nice, but could be substituted for Dragonspeaker Shamans or Krosan Drovers (1 more mana to do what Dragonspeaker does for you, but only like 9 cents a copy). Dragon Fodder can be replaced by Mogg War Marshal. Mogg War Marshal essentially does the same thing, but you have a chance of blocking and still getting two tokens for the same mana cost as Dragon Fodder.
Why not run Teneb, The Harvester instead of the one-shot reanimator spells? You can even "tutor" him out of the deck with Scion and use his 2B ability to pull a dragon back.
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Agreed, Teneb, the Harvester + Scion of the Ur-Dragon + Bladewing the Risen are a nice tutor + reanimation engine inside Dragons.
Also, i suggest you to drop your land fetchers in favor of faster ones like Sakura-Tribe Elder, Search for Tomorrow (you can suspend 1st turn).
Of course Harrow and Kodama's Reach fetches more lands, but the mentioned cards are plain faster, you can reach a solid 5 mana on 3rd turn (1st - mana, Search, 2nd - mana, Sakura, 3rd - mana - Scion)
I'd run 20 lands + 12 land fetchers (Search for Tomorrow, Sakura-Tribe Elder, and Rampant Growth)
Elder is a very likely card since it can chomp block early on, or even beat if unblocked. It's a fetcher with legs.
Instead of Damnation, I'd run Infest instead, you don't need a late sweeper, but an early one to control things 'til you start dropping the Dragons, and even if you manage some Dragons in, you'll be still able to cast Infest since it won't take down your Dragons just their creatures.
So: 20 lands + 12 fetchers + up to 20 Creatures + 8 Removal
Hope being helpful.
I forgot. It would be nice to keep it t2, that way i have something to take to an local fnm for fun.
I thought about putting mana elves in, but the only problem i can see is that they only produce green mana, and my dragons need red. Altough, rampant growht and harrow could fetch green mana, and trace could also produce red, I'm still not quite sure. Another question. What would i take out for the elves? First thing that came to mind was the rangers, but they make up for can fetch lands to my hand, thinning my deck.
More help please!!!!!!
PS: I've noticed something. You always get alot of help on your first decklist post, but then the help stops or slows down dramaticly. Anybody else notice?
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otherwise, druid of the anima does two of your three colors. gift of the gargantuan is great because you can pull a land or a beat-dragon or both.
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That's a common thing to happen, usually when you post the deck, people give their thoughts about it, and if they say everything right away, there is nothing to say further, so it becomes up to you decide what to use and what to dismiss from the suggestions.
Another thing that happens is, people share they thoughts, the user asking for help don't change a thing (or just minor things that don't really impact the deck), and he asks for help again, so no one else comes, because if he want to know people thoughts, it's just go back and read the preview ones.
But that's cool, i usually go back to preview suggestions given to my decks that i asked help to improve it, so i can just suggest do the same.
3x Broodmate Dragon
4x Predator dragon
1x Flameblast Dragon
2x hellkite charger
4x Dragon Fodder
4x Pyroclasm
4x Rampant growth
3x Crucible of fire
4x Borderland ranger
4x Harrow
4x Trace of abundance
4x Savage lands
12x Mountain
10x Forest
4x Volcanic fallout
4x Lightning bolt
3x Swamp
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Spiderboy4DarkNightCavalier and XenoNinja at Heroes of the Plane Studios for the AMAZING sig pic and avvy.My main deck is very little black. If i were to sideboard in 4 terminates, i would also need more swamps. Pyroclasm and volcanic fallout and dragon fodder is to keep me alive in the beggining incase im fasing weenie. otherwise, i run terminate
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Spiderboy4DarkNightCavalier and XenoNinja at Heroes of the Plane Studios for the AMAZING sig pic and avvy.Terminate is more solid removal than lightning bolt, but i may want to run 8 removal? Try to think of the reasons before you go asking.
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Spiderboy4DarkNightCavalier and XenoNinja at Heroes of the Plane Studios for the AMAZING sig pic and avvy.and yes, L Bolt should probably never start games in the sideboard.
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Fallout is 1 more mana, for something I DONT NEED. In case you havn't realized, MONO BLUE IS DEAD in standard, and i mana people would be playing it anymore. The reason why i keep LB in my sideboard is because there isnt much i have to take out. If my cards are not either dragons or ramp, with the exception of crucible, they are to prevent me from being aggro-ed to death!( dragon fodder, and the sweeper. Yes i know they kind of counteract, but i normall sweep, then fodder.) If i find out im not facing aggro, ( and the metagame is really quite aggroish), would side out my aggro hate into removal, such as terminate and lb.
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Spiderboy4DarkNightCavalier and XenoNinja at Heroes of the Plane Studios for the AMAZING sig pic and avvy.the point of magic is not to kill an opponents creatures, but rather to kill the opponent himself.
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Spiderboy4DarkNightCavalier and XenoNinja at Heroes of the Plane Studios for the AMAZING sig pic and avvy.You really dont understand do you? PYROCLASM IF 1 MANA CHEAPER. UNDERSTAND? Mono blue is dead in standard, so the "cannot be countered" really is not as inportant. If i am having trouble, i will sideboard in. 2 freaking damage is uselss, because my dragons will be spitting fire in your faces, who needs that 2 damage headstart? Instant speed is also not as neccassary, other than preventing haste damage. It is like buying icecream. You can add the sprinkles for 1 dollar extra. I'd rather have sprinkles, but i dont want to pay that 1 dollar ( mana). Of course, if my friend is coming, and we are not allowed to buy more than 1 type of icecream, i will order the icecream without sprinkes, and add in icecream with sprinkles just so they are diffrent icream( i cant run 8 pyroclasm). UNDERSTAND?
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