You're missing the point of the deck entirely if you think that Rift is better bounce spell in this archetype. The goal isn't to Wrath the board once. The goal is to prevent my opponents from playing Magic.
The prior suggestion was to consider Equilibrium over Cloudstone Curio (at the cost of requiring 1 more mana/activation - or 2 more mana/turn to hit critical mass) in order to ensure the combined opponent permanent count was kept at Opposition-manageable levels. If the concern was that opponents would have too many permanents to Opposition, I think Cyclonic Rift - in place of something other than Cloudstone Curio, which is essential to the deck function - would be a more effective answer that doesn't have the drawback of slowing the deck down by a turn or two.
Or add creature-based bounce like Aethersnipe (there may be a better bounce option - it's not a mechanic I've used often). Edit: ThatRedwood just suggested same.
Or add creature-based bounce like Aethersnipe (there may be a better bounce option - it's not a mechanic I've used often). Edit: ThatRedwood just suggested same.
It's already been added and subsequently removed from the deck.
It's obviously difficult to find space for, but at least two copies of Arcanis the Omnipotent seems almost staple in any deck that's maxing out on Prophet of Kruphix - not only do you get to draw three cards for every player around the table, but you have the ability to play each of those cards during their turn to prevent you for surpassing the hand cap (the one flaw of that sort of drawpower) and hold back mana for your Mystic Snakes and any Draining Whelks you may choose to run to prevent your field from being disrupted (or even to bounce Arcanis if it comes to it). If you start drawing and landing a bunch of creature-based ramp in your first opponent's turn, it's going to get pretty terrifying for every turn onwards.
The deck needs more draw but I need more early draw than I do lategame draw. Arcanis is nice but he's too win more I think. He's only relevant if I've already won but what this deck really needs is more early game consistency.
Considered it but dismissed it fairly quickly. There aren't many cards that I'm worried about casting at instant speed that aren't creatures. I only have room for so many colorless lands and I know that I can get stronger effects than this.
I'm probably cutting Muse/Teferi/Momir for Prophets, and I clearly need to upgrade the Selkie to Thragtusk as well as include Deranged Hermit.
I highly recommend Chord of Calling/Tradewind Rider as a strategy to go alongside Prophet. It can end up being a lot like draw/go or standard flash decks, and once you assemble the pieces you're locking everyone out similar to Cloudstone Curio and Deadeye Navigator.
Deadeye navigator pairs really well with mystic snake, I mean who wouldn't want an endless supply of counter spells? I always love copying opponents creatures so I've been trying out progenitor mimic, so far it's worked really well flashing it it at EOT with prophet of kruphix.
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I was actually going to suggest keeping Vig in the list - it seems to me that continually filling your hand would be a good thing to do with all that mana and time available, and you'd want to be doing that with either Vig or Primordial Sage.
I was actually going to suggest keeping Vig in the list - it seems to me that continually filling your hand would be a good thing to do with all that mana and time available, and you'd want to be doing that with either Vig or Primordial Sage.
Vig could still be fine, but Chord provides his tutoring element already, and Tradewind Rider(/Deadeye Navigator) + Coiling Oracle/Eternal Witness is usually all the card advantage I need. As much as he was the original inspiration for the deck, he's kind of marginal now.
Cz ole' buddy ole' pal, I highly recommend you check out the Animar, Soul of Elements EDH thread because it is extremely synergistic with Prophet of Kruphix, letalone every other card selection (except the navigator) in your list.
I've been thinking about a deck like this for a while (actually I used one with Seedborne Muse for quite some time). I'll post a list I've been thinking about here later. I just don't understand why there's no love for Acidic Slime.
By the way the main issue with this deck is that you need certain combinations of cards for it to work and you may take quite sometime to complete this combination, leaving the deck quite slow and defenseless in the meantime.
I just don't understand why there's no love for X.
I'll answer this question while simultaneously answering the same question a bunch of other people are sure to ask. Just replace the card that you mentioned with the card that they mentioned. The reason why no one is giving X love is because X is one of the many hundreds of cards that is utterly abusable by this horrendously overpowered monstrosity. I could literally build this deck entirely out of 1-ofs (aside from the Prophet) and it would still be insane because the core concept is overpowered. It doesn't matter what you pair it with because everything is good when you have an effect this powerful. People ask the same thing about Survival, Recurring Nightmare, Birthing Pod, etc. deck choices all the time too and it's the exact same thing. Your creature isn't a special flower. There are hundreds of others who are also sweet in the deck.
Simic Charm, Brainstorm, and Skinshifter don't seem like they do a lot in your deck.
Seedborn muse is almost strictly worse than Prophet here.
I'd definitely play Momir Vig, or Mulldrifter, because you want to capitalize on the first untap with Prophet (where you have five mana) as much as possible.
You may want more mana creatures as well as more lands since it looks like the point of your deck is to get out Navigator/Prophet asap.
Fauna Shaman could be good in these types of decks. I was thinking Birthing Pod as well but you don't get multiple uses out of it with Prophet in play :-(.
Brainstorm and Preordain are there to dig even if they're not optimal for the deck they still get the job done and I don't know what could do this better.
Simic Charm is a very versatile card but the main reason it's there it's because it can give hexproof to all your creatures wich helps a lot against removal.
Skinshifter is my "core" Tarmogoyf replacement, but in this deck it gets a lot better because with the untap effects I usualy have mana to activate it's ability but it also gives it "vigilance" wich means I can attack on my turn and make it a 0/8 (or whatever helps is best for the moment) blocker in my opponent's turn.
PS. I know that Seedborn Muse is almost strictly worse than Prophet of Kruphix but I have a single copy of it and it's a very cool card. For practical purpouses you can count it as the last copy of Prophet of Kruphix it's just that I prefer not to spend money on this last one.
I agree that Farhaven Elves > Wood Elves. I would drop 2x Wood Elves for 2x Coiling Oracle. Also, you only have one way to produce mana to activate the Wolf Run, so that seems a bit out of place.
Anyone talking about dropping Deadeye Navigator is off their rocker in my opinion; there's just too many cards that pair with it; binding this late game to Mystic Snake is absolutely devastating and will end the game.
I think Imperious Perfect is out of place in your list cake, I don't see the synergy there; if you're doing it right...Deranged Hermit will produce plenty of bodies.
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The prior suggestion was to consider Equilibrium over Cloudstone Curio (at the cost of requiring 1 more mana/activation - or 2 more mana/turn to hit critical mass) in order to ensure the combined opponent permanent count was kept at Opposition-manageable levels. If the concern was that opponents would have too many permanents to Opposition, I think Cyclonic Rift - in place of something other than Cloudstone Curio, which is essential to the deck function - would be a more effective answer that doesn't have the drawback of slowing the deck down by a turn or two.
Or add creature-based bounce like Aethersnipe (there may be a better bounce option - it's not a mechanic I've used often). Edit: ThatRedwood just suggested same.
It's already been added and subsequently removed from the deck.
The deck needs more draw but I need more early draw than I do lategame draw. Arcanis is nice but he's too win more I think. He's only relevant if I've already won but what this deck really needs is more early game consistency.
Considered it but dismissed it fairly quickly. There aren't many cards that I'm worried about casting at instant speed that aren't creatures. I only have room for so many colorless lands and I know that I can get stronger effects than this.
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4 Wall of Roots
4 Coiling Oracle
4 Mystic Snake
2 Tradewind Rider
1 Seedborn Muse
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
1 Loaming Shaman
1 Selkie Hedge-Mage
1 Acidic Slime
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Caller of the Claw
1 Eternal Witness
2 Plaxmanta
4 Chord of Calling
3 Opposition
2 Yavimaya Coast
1 Breeding Pool
13 Forest
8 Island
I'm probably cutting Muse/Teferi/Momir for Prophets, and I clearly need to upgrade the Selkie to Thragtusk as well as include Deranged Hermit.
I highly recommend Chord of Calling/Tradewind Rider as a strategy to go alongside Prophet. It can end up being a lot like draw/go or standard flash decks, and once you assemble the pieces you're locking everyone out similar to Cloudstone Curio and Deadeye Navigator.
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Deadeye navigator pairs really well with mystic snake, I mean who wouldn't want an endless supply of counter spells? I always love copying opponents creatures so I've been trying out progenitor mimic, so far it's worked really well flashing it it at EOT with prophet of kruphix.
I see why you would use mulldrifter but I've found wall of blossoms to be more useful while I'm ramping early game. I do need to try replacing pelakka wurm with thragtusk, seems like a better fit with deadeye navigator though a 7/7 trample is always helpful.
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Vig could still be fine, but Chord provides his tutoring element already, and Tradewind Rider(/Deadeye Navigator) + Coiling Oracle/Eternal Witness is usually all the card advantage I need. As much as he was the original inspiration for the deck, he's kind of marginal now.
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At ten times the price :3.
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But I don't have to untap with a five-mana 2/2, and it puts the creature directly in play, so it's not really a higher price.
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Say that to my wallet.
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Ah fair enough, Chord is like the one card I was lucky enough to have a playset of when Modern made it spike.
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Highly highly highly recommend you throw Animar, Soul of Elements into the mix. As you'll hopefully read, there are plenty of combos with Animar and Cloudstone Curio, Palinchron, Zealous Conscripts, Phyrexian Metamorph, and so on. If you go with Animar and his infinite greatness, you need to add in more meaty dudes, like Maelstrom Wanderer or Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed (a personal favorite), Nullstone Gargoyle, or big daddy Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
My meta: 3 or 4 player free for all, anything goes but boring games or broken decks cause a vote to end that game.
By the way the main issue with this deck is that you need certain combinations of cards for it to work and you may take quite sometime to complete this combination, leaving the deck quite slow and defenseless in the meantime.
I'll answer this question while simultaneously answering the same question a bunch of other people are sure to ask. Just replace the card that you mentioned with the card that they mentioned. The reason why no one is giving X love is because X is one of the many hundreds of cards that is utterly abusable by this horrendously overpowered monstrosity. I could literally build this deck entirely out of 1-ofs (aside from the Prophet) and it would still be insane because the core concept is overpowered. It doesn't matter what you pair it with because everything is good when you have an effect this powerful. People ask the same thing about Survival, Recurring Nightmare, Birthing Pod, etc. deck choices all the time too and it's the exact same thing. Your creature isn't a special flower. There are hundreds of others who are also sweet in the deck.
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
4x Coiling Oracle
4x Deadeye Navigator
4x Mystic Snake
3x Prophet of Kruphix
1x Seedborn Muse
3x Skinshifter
4x Brainstorm
4x Counterspell
4x Simic Charm
4x Breeding Pool
6x Forest
4x Hinterland Harbor
7x Island
I want to add a land. I just don't know what to take out yet. I'm thinking about removing either a Simic Charm, a Preordain or a Deadeye Navigator.
Something I've been also thinking about adding is Momir Vig, Simic Visionary.
What do you guys think?
Simic Charm, Brainstorm, and Skinshifter don't seem like they do a lot in your deck.
Seedborn muse is almost strictly worse than Prophet here.
I'd definitely play Momir Vig, or Mulldrifter, because you want to capitalize on the first untap with Prophet (where you have five mana) as much as possible.
You may want more mana creatures as well as more lands since it looks like the point of your deck is to get out Navigator/Prophet asap.
Fauna Shaman could be good in these types of decks. I was thinking Birthing Pod as well but you don't get multiple uses out of it with Prophet in play :-(.
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Simic Charm is a very versatile card but the main reason it's there it's because it can give hexproof to all your creatures wich helps a lot against removal.
Skinshifter is my "core" Tarmogoyf replacement, but in this deck it gets a lot better because with the untap effects I usualy have mana to activate it's ability but it also gives it "vigilance" wich means I can attack on my turn and make it a 0/8 (or whatever helps is best for the moment) blocker in my opponent's turn.
PS. I know that Seedborn Muse is almost strictly worse than Prophet of Kruphix but I have a single copy of it and it's a very cool card. For practical purpouses you can count it as the last copy of Prophet of Kruphix it's just that I prefer not to spend money on this last one.
Also, what about some cheap tap, do something creatures like Budoka Gardener, Lore Broker, Magus of the Bazaar, Merfolk Looter/Thought Courier, Sakura-Tribe Scout, or Wood Sage.
I saw CZ's answer and it was good, but I still prefer my answer: because it is green!
And dropping Deadeye Navigator seems reasonable.
You could include a Psychic Spiral or Elixir of Immortality to get your yard back into the library.
As I'd be prone to run Primeval Titan and Solemn Simulacrum; I don't completely agree that Farhaven Elf being better than Wood Elves as well.
In my playtesting I'm growing more fond of Equilibrium over Cloudstone Curio due to the defensive option.
I think Imperious Perfect is out of place in your list cake, I don't see the synergy there; if you're doing it right...Deranged Hermit will produce plenty of bodies.