I'm trying to gauge peoples thoughts. I have a pretty deep collection, but I would really enjoy playing with time twister. I can't quite afford an unlimited copy unless I liquidate a bunch of stuff.
My question is,what is your reaction to collectors edition cards in commander?
They are printed by wotc, but they are not tournament legal.
This format is the format if any format to bring that stuff out. Demanding someone spend the cash to get some of those cards for real is IMO ludicrous.
There are 3 different levels of "cards" in EDH (from my perspective):
Real cards
Collector's Edition and Championship deck cards ("real" in the sense that Wizards printed them but not actually legal in anything)
Proxies (printed off, Chinese fakes, whatever)
I personally only play with real cards with 1 exception: I have 2 Timetwisters (one Beta and one Unlimited) but I want to use them in more decks so I use Collector's Edition cards in my other blue decks. However, I don't think there is any issue with people running the Collector's edition or Championship deck cards. They are still "real" in a sense.
Since this topic is not on Proxies, I will not talk in depth about them, but the Collector's edition and World Championship cards are better than proxies in my opinion.
This is not me asking about proxies, I personally wouldnt use them, unless the card in question is in the mail, or only in preveiw stage. I just dont want to buy a 400 dollar collecters edition twister and then get hairy eyeballed by other people.
You use more than 2 timetwisters? I've used my timetwister in 1 deck since I bought it 4 years ago or so. And I think I've played my tabernacle in one game...there's a chance that I'm a waste of valuable cards =/
This topic tends to be pretty contentious. I consider them on a par with nice proxies - arguably a bit better since they aren't masquerading as real cards. Personally I would not play them, but I wouldn't care if someone else was using them. But proxying tends to exacerbate my annoyance with other "bad" behavior, like playing decks outside the power level of the table, or making boring netdecks.
I personally wouldn't play them, but I'm good with playing against anything. I'm not trying to play a game of who has the bigger wallet. The games that are bad because of power level or philosophical differences can happen regardless of real cards/proxies/etc and there are better ways to deal with that.
That said at the end of the day it's always going to be a playgroup issue. It doesn't really matter if the entire internet agrees with you on this topic if the people you're playing with are only OK with pauper Kamigawa block tiny leaders.
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You use more than 2 timetwisters? I've used my timetwister in 1 deck since I bought it 4 years ago or so. And I think I've played my tabernacle in one game...there's a chance that I'm a waste of valuable cards =/
This topic tends to be pretty contentious. I consider them on a par with nice proxies - arguably a bit better since they aren't masquerading as real cards. Personally I would not play them, but I wouldn't care if someone else was using them. But proxying tends to exacerbate my annoyance with other "bad" behavior, like playing decks outside the power level of the table, or making boring netdecks.
I have never used my Tabernacle since I bought it and I have only used The Abyss and Moat in a couple decks as well (nothing currently). Big expensive cards don't always have a home. Timetwister is the big one I use and I use it in basically every blue deck I have, but I do at least own real versions.
On topic: EDH is meant to be casual (social; whatever you want to call it). Since it is not sanctioned, there is no real reason to adhere to tournament legality. If it is a Wizards produced card, I think it should be legal or, at least, I would not care if someone were to use it. I don't think I know anyone in my group that would care about someone using a Collector's Edition card and they are hard enough to spot anyway since they are black bordered (square corners and gold on the back, sure, but no one looks at the back and it is hard enough to tell it has square corners).
I think they are fine. They are a product that was by sold Wizards and are the same size as Magic cards. besides the square boarders. Even the Championship deck cards with the gold boarders around the front and no MTG back are find with sleeves. You can pick up a Gaea's Cradle from the Champs decks for around $40 vs $350 for the Urza's version. The only thing that would stand out is the gold boarder around the front of the card, unlike the gold boarder that's on the back of the CE cards (which is hidden with sleeves).
Commander is casual Magic. I'm not going to strip away your ability to enjoy the game the way you want to just because you haven't forked over for outrageously expensive cardboard. Collector's Edition? Proxies? I genuinely don't care. As long as your cards are easily identifiable, you can always sit down and enjoy a game together with me.
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Commander is casual Magic. I'm not going to strip away your ability to enjoy the game the way you want to just because you haven't forked over for outrageously expensive cardboard. Collector's Edition? Proxies? I genuinely don't care. As long as your cards are easily identifiable, you can always sit down and enjoy a game together with me.
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I don't really like them. In a casual game I am unlikely to say anything, but if you have a dozen gold-bordered cards I will get irritated. I am not playing timetwister because I find it too expensive for what it is. But if you are playing multiple gold bordered cards that I do not have access to because of price considerations, it bugs me.
It feels pretty similar to you playing a banned card, to me. I am not playing with it because it's not allowed in the rules, but you are playing with it because you've asked me to ignore the rules. The more you ask me to ignore the rules, the more salty I get when you win off your gold-bordered cards.
I run a gold border Flooded Strand because, I thought I had a copy in another deck, no one really cared that it turned out that I didn't have an actual one.
Commander is casual Magic. I'm not going to strip away your ability to enjoy the game the way you want to just because you haven't forked over for outrageously expensive cardboard. Collector's Edition? Proxies? I genuinely don't care. As long as your cards are easily identifiable, you can always sit down and enjoy a game together with me.
Commander is casual Magic. I'm not going to strip away your ability to enjoy the game the way you want to just because you haven't forked over for outrageously expensive cardboard. Collector's Edition? Proxies? I genuinely don't care. As long as your cards are easily identifiable, you can always sit down and enjoy a game together with me.
Just curious, I once saw a player whose entire deck was literally just black-and-white printed proxies (even the Basic Lands but I think he just went for full consistency past some point). Granted, considering the circumstances he was almost definitely a new player then and I have never seen the scenario since (I'll be honest I didn't exactly remember the player himself considering the infrequency most patrons me included at the LGS visit so I might have played him again later with a proper deck or I might have just not seen him ever since), so that 1-of case would probably be easily accepted by us both, but if a regular just played EDH with full-proxied decks like this, would your opinion change? (Just assume there were a mix of different value cards, but all proxied).
As a player who proxies cards myself (I literally just print the card on normal paper in a way that blatantly says this is a proxy but is still readable, cut it out and slot it in a sleeved card that's backwards) I really have no right to choose not to play with others who proxy as well. My proxies are of the "temporary nature" in the sense I only proxy-play cards I intend to get the foil of eventually, but at the same time to keep my MTG budget lower to the best I can it's not only a matter of waiting for the scarce card to pop up (on top of pledging not to buy nonfoils so I don't have waste time cycling the card out later on), but also waiting for a reprint for cases of cards that are absurdly expensive due to a lack of reprint, so that Adarkar Wastes is going to be quite the long-term proxy, especially since I've already since how well reprints dented prices in the enemy-color counterparts (Which I obviously acquired already). In response to my own policy, I pledged to not proxy RL cards because those can't be reprinted (or won't be, but let's not argue RL here) to honor the purpose of the long-term proxy to still be considered a temporary one, even if it takes years.
I explained the thing to the main playgroup at the LGS and they accepted it (actually they didn't even care, in fact they told me to feel free to proxy RL cards, but eh I still don't like it based on intent of my own policy) and the occasional outside players that join have never questioned on my proxies.
All that being said, if a player comes up with proxies he or she technically never intends to replace with the real article, I wouldn't complain either. I may reinforce a "temporary" clause on my own proxies (yeah so much for temporary if they take over 10 years and I still can't get my Adarkar Wastes reprint), but I wouldn't enforce it on anyone else (plus it would obviously feature me in a bad light to nitpick that out considering the main group that's completely fine with proxies themselves don't usually even run proxies anyway, but even if it was a different playgroup I wouldn't bother with the nitpick anyway).
Part of the temporary clause is due to my dedication to eventually foil out my decks since EDH is my vanity project (along with "do it on a budget" as ironic as that sounds), but I cannot expect similar goals from anyone else, let alone everyone. I see new players who simply enjoy the game but simply cannot (or do not) want to place their finances into a casual variant of a game and I respect their decision and actively choose to not ostracize them out of a past time they enjoy. To be fair though these players are more often than not on the more casual spectrum and I've not experienced the opposite, but I assume that someone who full-proxies a cEDH deck to stomp other players is irritating me with the "stomping attitude" that he or she would have regardless of whether it was a proxy or not and not the proxy itself (although I won't deny that adds an additional layer of salt).
Unless I know the person, and know they are not going to do anything unfun, and might actually work on attaining the proxied card. But generally there are plenty of cards that replicate the effect of powerful cards, usually for more mana. I understand the position of wanting to play cool cards without spending a mint. However I don't feel like I am handicapped for not buying a Tabernacle, or Moat, or Time Twister despite the fact that my decks would benefit from them. Fun games can be had with actual cards that may be less powerful than their proxied counter parts. That is why cards like Time Reversal were printed, so we can get those great effects at a more "fair" mana cost and be widely available.
I play a champs Grim Monolith because I have a real Grim Monolith in another deck. Contemplating getting a Champs Force of Will to go with my other one so I can play it in multiple decks. I don't play competitive, so teir 1 everything is not a concern for me.
To be honest, i don't mind gold-bordered cards at all.
Just looking at the price differences of some of these compared to the "originals", I can totally understand, if players feel like saving money through gold-bordered cards.
and there's a ton of cards that would save you up to 10,00€.
Aside from prices i'm cool with those cards, since they have been printed by WotC, i am (usually) in no competitive surroundings, so who am i to tell you what cards you're (not) allowed to play? As long as you keep 'em sleeved i'm totally fine with WCD cards, proxies - with more or less original artworks, please - and others.
I'm okay with Collectors Edition cards. I much prefer them to the counterfeit cards I've seen running around at the local shop. Overall I'm against proxies and fakes.
I personally wouldn't play them, but I'm good with playing against anything. I'm not trying to play a game of who has the bigger wallet.
So much this. I don't expect people to have the card pool I have, and I'd rather people play the version of the deck they want to rather than something subpar that they have to. If someone's abusing gold borders to force a power imbalance within their playgroup, having the normal version of the cards wouldn't suddenly fix the meta issue.
It is something you should discuss with the people you play with regularly, however. And if you don't play with a super regular group, I would also find a substitute card you can swap in for when it becomes an issue.
I view them as a better proxy. If you own the actual card and wanted to spring for collector's editions for your "extra" copies then I think its nice. I would rather see them than crappy proxies but at the same time I would consider them to be a proxy as far as legality goes. If you are cool with people using proxies all the time or using proxies when they own at least a copy for commander then I think its fine.
Yes it costs less, but its still a good portion of the cost of the real thing. My opinion on the matter is buy the real thing if you don't own one or stick to proxying it. Don't spend a good portion of the real cost on something that is not tourney legal. As Yoda said..... do or do not.... there is no try.
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Just curious, I once saw a player whose entire deck was literally just black-and-white printed proxies . . . if a regular just played EDH with full-proxied decks like this, would your opinion change? (Just assume there were a mix of different value cards, but all proxied).
It depends. What's the print quality like on these black-and-white proxies?
I don't mind people proxying cards, but when your proxies aren't easy to recognize at a glance (like Sharpie'd cards), that's where I tend to draw the line. At some point, your cards no longer resemble what they're supposed to, and that starts dipping into my enjoyment of the game because now you're placing an undue burden upon me to figure out what you have in play. I shouldn't have to scrutinize someone's board state continuously to figure out what's on their side of the battlefield. That just sucks the fun out of everything.
Now, are black-and-white proxies any more difficult to distinguish from some of the San Diego Comic Con promos? Or any of the Amonkhet Invocations? Maybe. Given a good enough print job, I suspect I wouldn't have any issues with someone playing a deck full of black-and-white cards though.
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Yes it costs less, but its still a good portion of the cost of the real thing. My opinion on the matter is buy the real thing if you don't own one or stick to proxying it. Don't spend a good portion of the real cost on something that is not tourney legal. As Yoda said..... do or do not.... there is no try.
I do find this a bit weird. It was one thing when they were $10 or less, but I can't figure why someone would pay $50+ for a glorified proxy. And I definitely get a defensive vibe from some people who bought them when someone suggests that they aren't "real" cards. I think it creates some bad feels all-around. Best WotC doesn't repeat the practice, imo.
Another argument I've made against proxies in general, which I think is fair, is that the high price of older, often unpleasant cards, is that it helps prevent people from building nasty, un-fun decks. I don't really want to live in a world where everyone has easy access to nether voids and workshops. By the time you're deep enough into commander that you're willing to shell out that kind of money, hopefully you've either found a group of like-minded cEDH players, or you've got a good enough understanding of the social contract of the format not to go creating a cancer deck in a casual meta.
That said, most people proxy responsibly, and as long as you've got a fun deck I don't care too much whether it's real or not. I do still proxy occasionally if it's a card I don't happen to have (I have most cards, but sometimes things slip through - almost always cheap stuff, though). Sometimes I actually get around to buying it, sometimes I don't - when my decks only stick around for a week or so, it doesn't really matter.
Honestly, it depends on where/why I'm playing. If I'm at my lgs to play in the tournament there, I'd prefer they use real cards and not proxies. But if I'm just playing casually with friends, I don't care if they proxy and they won't care if I proxy by using cards that aren't "real."
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My question is,what is your reaction to collectors edition cards in commander?
They are printed by wotc, but they are not tournament legal.
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Real cards
Collector's Edition and Championship deck cards ("real" in the sense that Wizards printed them but not actually legal in anything)
Proxies (printed off, Chinese fakes, whatever)
I personally only play with real cards with 1 exception: I have 2 Timetwisters (one Beta and one Unlimited) but I want to use them in more decks so I use Collector's Edition cards in my other blue decks. However, I don't think there is any issue with people running the Collector's edition or Championship deck cards. They are still "real" in a sense.
Since this topic is not on Proxies, I will not talk in depth about them, but the Collector's edition and World Championship cards are better than proxies in my opinion.
This topic tends to be pretty contentious. I consider them on a par with nice proxies - arguably a bit better since they aren't masquerading as real cards. Personally I would not play them, but I wouldn't care if someone else was using them. But proxying tends to exacerbate my annoyance with other "bad" behavior, like playing decks outside the power level of the table, or making boring netdecks.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I'm not trying to throw it in every deck I own, I would swap it between the 2 "competitive" decks I have.
But that's neither here nor there, I agree with you about proxies ecxasebating people playing mismatched power lvl decks.
no one proxies an eternal witness, but you see plenty of gaea's cradle proxies.
That said at the end of the day it's always going to be a playgroup issue. It doesn't really matter if the entire internet agrees with you on this topic if the people you're playing with are only OK with pauper Kamigawa block tiny leaders.
On topic: EDH is meant to be casual (social; whatever you want to call it). Since it is not sanctioned, there is no real reason to adhere to tournament legality. If it is a Wizards produced card, I think it should be legal or, at least, I would not care if someone were to use it. I don't think I know anyone in my group that would care about someone using a Collector's Edition card and they are hard enough to spot anyway since they are black bordered (square corners and gold on the back, sure, but no one looks at the back and it is hard enough to tell it has square corners).
Here's a Champs Cradle if no one has seen it before. https://scryfall.com/card/wc99/ml321/gaeas-cradle
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Commander is casual Magic. I'm not going to strip away your ability to enjoy the game the way you want to just because you haven't forked over for outrageously expensive cardboard. Collector's Edition? Proxies? I genuinely don't care. As long as your cards are easily identifiable, you can always sit down and enjoy a game together with me.
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It feels pretty similar to you playing a banned card, to me. I am not playing with it because it's not allowed in the rules, but you are playing with it because you've asked me to ignore the rules. The more you ask me to ignore the rules, the more salty I get when you win off your gold-bordered cards.
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I assume you meant mishra's workshop
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
This, exactly.
Just curious, I once saw a player whose entire deck was literally just black-and-white printed proxies (even the Basic Lands but I think he just went for full consistency past some point). Granted, considering the circumstances he was almost definitely a new player then and I have never seen the scenario since (I'll be honest I didn't exactly remember the player himself considering the infrequency most patrons me included at the LGS visit so I might have played him again later with a proper deck or I might have just not seen him ever since), so that 1-of case would probably be easily accepted by us both, but if a regular just played EDH with full-proxied decks like this, would your opinion change? (Just assume there were a mix of different value cards, but all proxied).
As a player who proxies cards myself (I literally just print the card on normal paper in a way that blatantly says this is a proxy but is still readable, cut it out and slot it in a sleeved card that's backwards) I really have no right to choose not to play with others who proxy as well. My proxies are of the "temporary nature" in the sense I only proxy-play cards I intend to get the foil of eventually, but at the same time to keep my MTG budget lower to the best I can it's not only a matter of waiting for the scarce card to pop up (on top of pledging not to buy nonfoils so I don't have waste time cycling the card out later on), but also waiting for a reprint for cases of cards that are absurdly expensive due to a lack of reprint, so that Adarkar Wastes is going to be quite the long-term proxy, especially since I've already since how well reprints dented prices in the enemy-color counterparts (Which I obviously acquired already). In response to my own policy, I pledged to not proxy RL cards because those can't be reprinted (or won't be, but let's not argue RL here) to honor the purpose of the long-term proxy to still be considered a temporary one, even if it takes years.
I explained the thing to the main playgroup at the LGS and they accepted it (actually they didn't even care, in fact they told me to feel free to proxy RL cards, but eh I still don't like it based on intent of my own policy) and the occasional outside players that join have never questioned on my proxies.
All that being said, if a player comes up with proxies he or she technically never intends to replace with the real article, I wouldn't complain either. I may reinforce a "temporary" clause on my own proxies (yeah so much for temporary if they take over 10 years and I still can't get my Adarkar Wastes reprint), but I wouldn't enforce it on anyone else (plus it would obviously feature me in a bad light to nitpick that out considering the main group that's completely fine with proxies themselves don't usually even run proxies anyway, but even if it was a different playgroup I wouldn't bother with the nitpick anyway).
Part of the temporary clause is due to my dedication to eventually foil out my decks since EDH is my vanity project (along with "do it on a budget" as ironic as that sounds), but I cannot expect similar goals from anyone else, let alone everyone. I see new players who simply enjoy the game but simply cannot (or do not) want to place their finances into a casual variant of a game and I respect their decision and actively choose to not ostracize them out of a past time they enjoy. To be fair though these players are more often than not on the more casual spectrum and I've not experienced the opposite, but I assume that someone who full-proxies a cEDH deck to stomp other players is irritating me with the "stomping attitude" that he or she would have regardless of whether it was a proxy or not and not the proxy itself (although I won't deny that adds an additional layer of salt).
Unless I know the person, and know they are not going to do anything unfun, and might actually work on attaining the proxied card. But generally there are plenty of cards that replicate the effect of powerful cards, usually for more mana. I understand the position of wanting to play cool cards without spending a mint. However I don't feel like I am handicapped for not buying a Tabernacle, or Moat, or Time Twister despite the fact that my decks would benefit from them. Fun games can be had with actual cards that may be less powerful than their proxied counter parts. That is why cards like Time Reversal were printed, so we can get those great effects at a more "fair" mana cost and be widely available.
I play a champs Grim Monolith because I have a real Grim Monolith in another deck. Contemplating getting a Champs Force of Will to go with my other one so I can play it in multiple decks. I don't play competitive, so teir 1 everything is not a concern for me.
Just looking at the price differences of some of these compared to the "originals", I can totally understand, if players feel like saving money through gold-bordered cards.
Gaea's Cradle -140,00€ discount
City of Traitors -130,00€
Grim Monolith -45,00€
Survival of the Fittest -35,00€
Force of Will -25,00€
Yawgmoth's Will -23,00€
Metalworker -19,00€
Academy Rector -18,00€
Rishadan Port -17,00€
Ancient Tomb -15,00€
Wasteland -15,00€
Arcbound Ravager -13,00€
Bloodstained Mire -10,00€
Phyrexian Tower -10,00€
Recurring Nightmare -10,00€
Volrath's Stronghold -10,00€
and there's a ton of cards that would save you up to 10,00€.
Aside from prices i'm cool with those cards, since they have been printed by WotC, i am (usually) in no competitive surroundings, so who am i to tell you what cards you're (not) allowed to play? As long as you keep 'em sleeved i'm totally fine with WCD cards, proxies - with more or less original artworks, please - and others.
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It is something you should discuss with the people you play with regularly, however. And if you don't play with a super regular group, I would also find a substitute card you can swap in for when it becomes an issue.
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Yes it costs less, but its still a good portion of the cost of the real thing. My opinion on the matter is buy the real thing if you don't own one or stick to proxying it. Don't spend a good portion of the real cost on something that is not tourney legal. As Yoda said..... do or do not.... there is no try.
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I don't mind people proxying cards, but when your proxies aren't easy to recognize at a glance (like Sharpie'd cards), that's where I tend to draw the line. At some point, your cards no longer resemble what they're supposed to, and that starts dipping into my enjoyment of the game because now you're placing an undue burden upon me to figure out what you have in play. I shouldn't have to scrutinize someone's board state continuously to figure out what's on their side of the battlefield. That just sucks the fun out of everything.
Now, are black-and-white proxies any more difficult to distinguish from some of the San Diego Comic Con promos? Or any of the Amonkhet Invocations? Maybe. Given a good enough print job, I suspect I wouldn't have any issues with someone playing a deck full of black-and-white cards though.
Trap your friends in an endless game with this 23-card combo!
Another argument I've made against proxies in general, which I think is fair, is that the high price of older, often unpleasant cards, is that it helps prevent people from building nasty, un-fun decks. I don't really want to live in a world where everyone has easy access to nether voids and workshops. By the time you're deep enough into commander that you're willing to shell out that kind of money, hopefully you've either found a group of like-minded cEDH players, or you've got a good enough understanding of the social contract of the format not to go creating a cancer deck in a casual meta.
That said, most people proxy responsibly, and as long as you've got a fun deck I don't care too much whether it's real or not. I do still proxy occasionally if it's a card I don't happen to have (I have most cards, but sometimes things slip through - almost always cheap stuff, though). Sometimes I actually get around to buying it, sometimes I don't - when my decks only stick around for a week or so, it doesn't really matter.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6