Thank you for the feedback! I was thinking I would probably end up cutting Training Grounds It's cute, and pretty good if Staffis a creature, but just too narrow.
I think I'm going to avoid Lattice just because of the MLD implications. People really aren't a fan of that card I've found.
The Turbine is in there mostly just to put artifact creatures on the field for things like Clock of Omens.
If Staff is a creature and we have intruder alarm out we can probably just draw through our whole deck as well.
I think with Staff and March on the field our best hit is probably something like Dross Scorpion or Voltaic Construct. I think the core gameplan of the deck is have as many value engines/combos that involve tapping and untapping artifacts as we can. And then use staff to generate large amounts of value. Like, the first sevenish times you activate staff you're getting one of seven hits, all of which help protect/further the gameplan. Then every activation after draws you any two cards and lets you stack your deck however you want. So the focus is on activating staff as many times as possible.
Edit: Just had a peek through your list as well. I dig it! Seems like a much more focused approach to the combo. I think if your deck ever gets an activation off you should just win.
Curio is some neat tech, especially with all the effects that put cards from your hand on top of your library.
As Darrenhabib mentioned earlier in the thread, if you've got the money LED might be worth consideration.
Another thing, you want some things you can hit off Staff in case Fblthp gets shuffled and you need to dig him out. I see Vedalken Shackles in your list which will help with this. I would also recommend the man-lands, Mutavault, Faerie Conclave, Blinkmoth Nexus, and Inkmoth Nexus as other ways you can do this.
I like new Jace in there as well, allows for Maniac win with out the creature gumming up the process.
Edit: Just had a peek through your list as well. I dig it! Seems like a much more focused approach to the combo. I think if your deck ever gets an activation off you should just win.
Curio is some neat tech, especially with all the effects that put cards from your hand on top of your library.
As Darrenhabib mentioned earlier in the thread, if you've got the money LED might be worth consideration.
Another thing, you want some things you can hit off Staff in case Fblthp gets shuffled and you need to dig him out. I see Vedalken Shackles in your list which will help with this. I would also recommend the man-lands, Mutavault, Faerie Conclave, Blinkmoth Nexus, and Inkmoth Nexus as other ways you can do this.
I like new Jace in there as well, allows for Maniac win with out the creature gumming up the process.
I figured Cloudstone Curio, two mana rocks, and Paradox Engine makes for game over. It's slightly narrow for the deck, but may be fun trying to pull it off.
I like Lion's Eye Diamond, but that's a $200 expense that I don't need at the moment, lol. I already have some of the >$100 cards (like Mana Crypt), so that helps but LED is REAL expensive.
I'm not too worried about Fblthp getting stuck in the deck. I always have the choice to move him to Command Zone if he gets targeted before Staff comes down. I made sure to insert a couple of staff targets/token generators like Tezzeret, Artifice Master, Mirage Mirror, Vedalken Shackles, and Sculpting Steel (if needed). I had Mimic Vat and Trading Post on the list prior to cut downs, but wanted to focus on the combos more directly. I guess a Blinkmoth Nexus/Inkmoth Nexus wouldn't hurt too much.
I also wanted Laboratory Maniac as the only creature in the 99, but realized I still wanted it to be creatureless to be able to reorder the entire deck. New Jace is a good workaround.
New Jace and new Karn are fantastic for this deck, along with Tezzeret the Seeker. Was able to combo off on turn 6 with new Jace, Tezzeret, Top and two mana rocks. I had Dramatic Reversal in hand. -2 Tezzeret for Isochron Scepter, imprinting Reversal. Tapped Top to draw and then responded with activating the Scepter. Eventually I drew my 600 cards from top activations and won thanks to Jace.
Edit: Just had a peek through your list as well. I dig it! Seems like a much more focused approach to the combo. I think if your deck ever gets an activation off you should just win.
Curio is some neat tech, especially with all the effects that put cards from your hand on top of your library.
As Darrenhabib mentioned earlier in the thread, if you've got the money LED might be worth consideration.
Another thing, you want some things you can hit off Staff in case Fblthp gets shuffled and you need to dig him out. I see Vedalken Shackles in your list which will help with this. I would also recommend the man-lands, Mutavault, Faerie Conclave, Blinkmoth Nexus, and Inkmoth Nexus as other ways you can do this.
I like new Jace in there as well, allows for Maniac win with out the creature gumming up the process.
I figured Cloudstone Curio, two mana rocks, and Paradox Engine makes for game over. It's slightly narrow for the deck, but may be fun trying to pull it off.
I like Lion's Eye Diamond, but that's a $200 expense that I don't need at the moment, lol. I already have some of the >$100 cards (like Mana Crypt), so that helps but LED is REAL expensive.
I'm not too worried about Fblthp getting stuck in the deck. I always have the choice to move him to Command Zone if he gets targeted before Staff comes down. I made sure to insert a couple of staff targets/token generators like Tezzeret, Artifice Master, Mirage Mirror, Vedalken Shackles, and Sculpting Steel (if needed). I had Mimic Vat and Trading Post on the list prior to cut downs, but wanted to focus on the combos more directly. I guess a Blinkmoth Nexus/Inkmoth Nexus wouldn't hurt too much.
I also wanted Laboratory Maniac as the only creature in the 99, but realized I still wanted it to be creatureless to be able to reorder the entire deck. New Jace is a good workaround.
Not certain how Cloudstone Curio + 2 mana rocks + Paradox Engine is lethal. Curio only triggers off nonartifacts. And Fblthp can’t return himself so... what am I missing?
Not certain how Cloudstone Curio + 2 mana rocks + Paradox Engine is lethal. Curio only triggers off nonartifacts. And Fblthp can’t return himself so... what am I missing?
You're absolutely right; forgot about the nonartifact clause. Back to the drawing board on that one.
Well, Proteus Staff is sold out along many online retailers and all my local stores. Pretty sure it's because of this little guy, so be prepared to see him a lot. I literally got the last one on Card Kingdom after there being about 12 earlier in the week, and this was after I hit 4 LGS.
Well, Proteus Staff is sold out along many online retailers and all my local stores. Pretty sure it's because of this little guy, so be prepared to see him a lot. I literally got the last one on Card Kingdom after there being about 12 earlier in the week, and this was after I hit 4 LGS.
My game store had one left, so I immediately snatched it up after he was spoiled. My problem is that I prefer foils and I could only find an Italian foil on eBay last week. Nowhere else has a foil Staff available.
I know I'm a bit late to the party, however, posting this here in case people like the idea and have maybe more suggestion for cards... I've been playing Fblthp in a Temur Cascade deck that has Neoform and ramp with cards such as Farseek and Elvish Rejuvenator. I have a few one ofs, cards like Sunbird's Invocation. I'm a bit sad there aren't more Cascade cards that fit. I hope they reprint Cascade some day...
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I think I'm going to avoid Lattice just because of the MLD implications. People really aren't a fan of that card I've found.
The Turbine is in there mostly just to put artifact creatures on the field for things like Clock of Omens.
If Staff is a creature and we have intruder alarm out we can probably just draw through our whole deck as well.
I think with Staff and March on the field our best hit is probably something like Dross Scorpion or Voltaic Construct. I think the core gameplan of the deck is have as many value engines/combos that involve tapping and untapping artifacts as we can. And then use staff to generate large amounts of value. Like, the first sevenish times you activate staff you're getting one of seven hits, all of which help protect/further the gameplan. Then every activation after draws you any two cards and lets you stack your deck however you want. So the focus is on activating staff as many times as possible.
Edit: Just had a peek through your list as well. I dig it! Seems like a much more focused approach to the combo. I think if your deck ever gets an activation off you should just win.
Curio is some neat tech, especially with all the effects that put cards from your hand on top of your library.
As Darrenhabib mentioned earlier in the thread, if you've got the money LED might be worth consideration.
Another thing, you want some things you can hit off Staff in case Fblthp gets shuffled and you need to dig him out. I see Vedalken Shackles in your list which will help with this. I would also recommend the man-lands, Mutavault, Faerie Conclave, Blinkmoth Nexus, and Inkmoth Nexus as other ways you can do this.
I like new Jace in there as well, allows for Maniac win with out the creature gumming up the process.
I figured Cloudstone Curio, two mana rocks, and Paradox Engine makes for game over. It's slightly narrow for the deck, but may be fun trying to pull it off.
I like Lion's Eye Diamond, but that's a $200 expense that I don't need at the moment, lol. I already have some of the >$100 cards (like Mana Crypt), so that helps but LED is REAL expensive.
I'm not too worried about Fblthp getting stuck in the deck. I always have the choice to move him to Command Zone if he gets targeted before Staff comes down. I made sure to insert a couple of staff targets/token generators like Tezzeret, Artifice Master, Mirage Mirror, Vedalken Shackles, and Sculpting Steel (if needed). I had Mimic Vat and Trading Post on the list prior to cut downs, but wanted to focus on the combos more directly. I guess a Blinkmoth Nexus/Inkmoth Nexus wouldn't hurt too much.
I also wanted Laboratory Maniac as the only creature in the 99, but realized I still wanted it to be creatureless to be able to reorder the entire deck. New Jace is a good workaround.
Tokens and polymorph, like how you guys had attempted.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Skyship Weatherlight
Mangara's Tome
But there is also the new Karn, the Great Creator. You can use his [-2] in conjunction with..
Distant Memories
Extract
Foresight
Manipulate Fate
Parallel Thoughts
Selective Memory
So for example I think you could easily play Manipulate Fate, Distant Memories, Skyship Weatherlight, Karn, the Great Creator in the deck.
What's great about Karn, the Great Creator is that he is also insurance against Proteus Staff being exiled before you get your combo.
The neat thing about Distant Memories is that you can just search for another tutor like Whir of Invention, Inventors' Fair, etc, when you don't have Karn, the Great Creator, so it'll end up probably being a draw 3 card.
But when you do have Karn, then you can straight up search for the Proteus Staff.
Manipulate Fate replaces itself, so no real tax in your 99.
Skyship Weatherlight can literally just be used to get a single card, insuring that when you activate it, you'll get that card.
Ring of Three Wishes and Planar Portal do similar things except multiple times and at a higher cost, but with Karn, the Great Creator you can get the card straight away with Skyship Weatherlight.
Plus Mycosynth Lattice + Karn, the Great Creator is a lock on opponents.
Also you can use his [+1] to give yourself a creature as well for the Proteus Staff.
Food for thought anyway.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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You're absolutely right; forgot about the nonartifact clause. Back to the drawing board on that one.
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My game store had one left, so I immediately snatched it up after he was spoiled. My problem is that I prefer foils and I could only find an Italian foil on eBay last week. Nowhere else has a foil Staff available.
Glad you found your copy.