That would be its only purpose if i used it so... labman has to board or you have to have a cantrip in addition to tutoring the missing piece and you auto lose to removal. so its dead on its own unless your in complete desperation mode it forces your tutors or is dead and though the combo is not very mana intensive it requires grabbing multiple cards that do nothing on their own. pass doomsday can win at the same cmc with a cantrip on its own so almost any situation i have a tutor + cantrip that's already a better line of play. Playing a dead card to make another card less dead seems fairly counter intuitive. this is singleton and exileing key cards is very bad since i cannot use the card as a tutor without risking auto losing i cant justify running it just to combo with labman which is an actual kill condition.
Nope it's Interesting putting 2 cards in the yard is nice but it cost 2 is not instant and only sees 3 cards. I don't think it's better than any of my other cantrips though it's probably as good as a lot of the ones I'm not running so it's power level is probably around the anticipate serum vision sleight of hand thoughtscour area which are all fine just not excellent like ponder preordain impulse top probe nights whisper frantic search and brainstorm are. Those cards would be nice additions if your on a tight budget since it just smooths you into better card instead of having to play inferior gas slots. I think I would play sleight of hand and serum visions before I played planning or anticipate however as costing 1 is a pretty big boon as far as cantrips go. I did test both of those cards at one point and they were good cards but never did I think they were excellent and honestly I have played this deck in the 4 digit number of times so I'm pretty confident in my current proportions. In short my list is pretty damn tight and while I haven't specifically tested that card I'm pretty sure I would not like it better than something like visions/ sleight and I think those cards are better. Unless things get banned / unbanned of they print more gems I don't see myself changing this deck the only card they printed recently worth including was dark petition.
This deck is really a blast to play. It can really go off out of nowhere.
Last week I won with one island and 2 rocks in play on turn 4 after I was forced to play ad nauseam on opponents t2 (no more black mana after wasteland hits so I had to take the chance with DR).
I got hit by 1x wasteland, 1x stripmine and a ******* stone rain - target no.1, right?
Unfortunately I cant play it very often due to always playinng with the same people (they are bored, I understand).
Man i need to start recording all the multiplayer games I play i had like 4 epic games in multiplayer this last week where I was getting teamed and in 3 of them i had more than half my deck exiled the last game it looked nearly impossible at the end by turn 2 my broken rocks were not only getting targeted for death but by turn 3 when i counter to protect the second one the other player would counters back i intution for tutors and FoW and recoutner to prtoect my ring by the end I pushed all in on nothing but a gush and a defensively used turnabout with a board state of nothing but lands sol ring and a mind over matter with jeleva's cost at 8 both the first hits were instant wins and she was auto killed exiling yawgwin tendrils labman helm of awakening minds desire hightide spiral tons of important crap i was able to go off with grapeshot casting past in flames twice in one turn from my hand after dropping gilded lotus off a poor FoF split via the gush he placed the lotus in the 3 card pile got future top off twister hitting intuition and me piling triple into hand tutors to Regrab PiF to assemble minder over matter futuretop ftw. i had another game wiht more than 50 cards exiled getting trippled teamed in similar fashion used a mini tnedrils to not die and again pulled a crazy line out of my ass whats more though is i think i have not only cast jeleva in the last 10 or so games in a row but i havewon on untap with her every time she hasn't been auto killed. im using her more and more in my lines of play and its paying off big time to the point that zur just seem like a slower option barring the 1v1 insta win of necro XD.
Had an interesting game tonight with my main line being Doomsday against a Sewer Nemesis. Despite messing up some of the mill triggers (which incidentally didn't wind up affecting the game) I was able to successfully fight through the mill through a combination of Sensei's Top shenanigans and DD piling yawgwin with LED already in play. Normally opening a pile with top is hot garbage but in this case it actually helped since I was able to mill top off of night's whisper (after drawing into pile via top), draw yawg win and frantic search (should've been pact for protection), then proceed to yawg win, respond to mill trigger with LED and float UUU, mill lab man, resolve yawgwin then cast lab man, mill gush in yard, return tapped Usea and tapped island to hand to draw out with gush and trigger lab man. Just thought I'd share how ridiculously resilient Doomsday, and the deck in general, can be when facing unexpected cards that attempt to really put a hamper on your plans.
Nice. Yea despite what some people think it's far from a glass cannon it's deadly at any point in the game. I was able to finally pick up a foil EMA Force of Will. Foil Toxic Deluge is on my list of things to pick up I'll try and post some new pictures soon don't think I had my Foil Dack Fayden in my last video. I have played the deck quite a lot recently and have not found any new cards in recent sets I feel deserve inclusion. Super happy with the list still play it all the time though I have been playing vintage legacy and modern recently as well. I tested JVP since I've seen him in quite a few storm lists now and as much as I liked him out of the command zone when I tested the high tide deck I was fairly dissapointed by him in the 99. Was a horrible topdeck any time after turn 2 and didn't feel strong enough in the opener to make up for it. It kind of reminded me of when I ran dark confidant. O well maybe they will unban gift ungiven or wizards will print me another card like dark petition or something ;). Don't think my last video update had that card in it either pure gold that haven't missed Insight once I'm overdue for another staple to get printed for me.
Hmm I'll have to test it. It looks fairly versatile in that it can functionA similar to remand but instead of always cantriping it gets a fairly crappy 2nd creature bounce mode. It's obviously worse than remand but it might be able to make the cut toward the tail end of the build I guess. It's not very exciting though to side grade a control slot for a slight offensive boost. When it comes out I'll test it but I don't have super high expectations. It is nice that it would give me another slot that could let me bounce say minds desire and still have remand for tendrils but is that worth taking my least important control slot say counterspell and going. Counterspell> crappy Counterspell that sometimes does something cool. I'm just not sure I'll test it though.
I want my bounce spell slots to hit all perms not just creatures. I'd be more likely to replace the cyclonic rift slot with an into the roil or even boomerang before I did this. Counterspell is more likely as it would up my bounce count but I would rather that edric cost 5 the next time they cast him than 3 again. The cards certainly playable due to its versatility but it's a control slot and it doesn't have the power Level of say Remand. Like I said though even if I do decide it's better than another control slot it would be a very minuscule upgrade. If it goes in its more than likely counterspell's slot which means it has to be better than arcane denial Counterspell Flusterstorm and any other card I could put in that control slot with a similar effect. It might be good enough to take that slot but like I said if it is it's mostly a sidegrade. It will be fairly easy to test slot it in for Counterspell see how often it's better / worse.
I am working on foiling out this list as well, like 30 cards left. Everything that doesn't come in foil is either from alpha, beta or altered. Planning on posting once it's complete.
Awesome i would love to see yours :). I had a fairly cool game today line wise unfortunately i was not recording i tried to do a trick that lets you watch the multiplayer replay right after the game and record it though the game closes in like one minute just to show the lines but of course the replay was bugged :(. I think i remember the lines fairly well however. I play against 5 color deck mayal the anemia or however you spell it and ruic thar. I pitch i slow hand with 2 lands and a wheel of fortune. My second 7 only has Mana confluence a chrome mox a wheel of fortune a timetwistermind's desireintuition and Remand while its similar to the first i get to keep up remand turn 1 and potentially dig 1 extra card for a land and if i hit land im up 1 mana source on the draw 7 so i decide to keep i won the die roll so im first to play. I topdeck past in flames which is useless here i want blue on my exile and cant afford to Bin desire as it could be much more important later so i bin the Intuition and hold remand and pass. the first 2 players go land go. ruic thar plays a mana crypt i decide not to cycle the remand hoping he has a follow up play to try and see the extra card for my land he has a somberwald sage so i gladly remand the top card of my deck is the scalding tarn i need anyway. I topdeck a dark petiton despite having Pif I decide to use the timetwister if i didn't draw the tutor i may have used the wheel instead but i wanted to keep my hit density high and didn't really want desire in my graveyard due to possible hate it arguably could have been wheel but i decide to fetch underground seaand pop twister. my new hand on turn 2 is Candelabra of TawnosGrapeshotGamble duressmystical tutorGush and Island the 5 color player EoT cracks a fetch and enlightened tutors .. for scroll rack? Im thinking maybe the wheel mana screwed him and he had land tax or something. He plays scroll rack and passes. mayeal plays sakura tribe elder and cracks for an extra land. Ruic thar plays a solemn Simulacrum which is unfortunate no more all in doomsday lines for me i pretty much have to upkeep the mystical tutor for mana drain to prevent ruic though its nice that it potentially gives me tons of mana and i can feed that into the Gamble. So i draw Mana Drain and aim my duress at 5 color guy hunting for counters or whatever made him want to get scroll rack. I see nicol bolas 3 lands and a Wargate im assuming he planned to wargate for 0 to grab mana crypt and that's why he wanted scroll rack but im not sure i take it anyway as its obviously better than nicol bolas and pass on my mana drain . He activate scroll rack then plays a sol ring a fetchland and passes his turn. mayeal plays his commander and passes on a forest. Ruic Thar walks his commander right into my revealed mana drain which is not what i thought he was going to do so I drain it . I Top Deck Preordain. At this point i decide that i can afford to take a risky line of play that a figure has roughly 50% maybe less of chance of winning on the spot they all have acceleration and im goign to be teamed soon and my hands not excellent and i want to make use of the mana off drain since its the only real edge i have. I plop the candles into play and Gamble for Ad Nauseam 25% chance it gets binned and i simply have to look to jeleva to save my ass and candels can let me cast her with a good hit i might have 1 turn to salvage but i discard the preordain use candles to split back to double black and cast Ad Nuaseam this is the part that's a little more foggy and after the game had bugged i get some good cards but none of them are free mana or rituals but i hit alot of lands and generally small cards half way through i consider stopping but im slowwly goaded in pressing on and i draw up to something like 16-17 cards? the best hits are imperial seal and windfall i hit at 9 life and hit time spiral so im at 3 life. I cast Seal to get cabal ritual im forced to play badlands due to life constraints then gush into the Ritual and cast it Crack windfall and pray for yawgwin. I hit yawgwin mana vault grim monolith copy artifact adn turn about and i binned a gilded lotus to the windfall. Cast the artifact mana into yawgwin into cabal ritual again into gilded into copy into turn about for artifacts and pop minds desire for like 16-17 and its over via mass desire cards into tendrils remand tendrils. Maybe it was not the best game but i enjoyed the lines of play .
There is a new card that was spoiled that I'm having mixed feelings about, but may be good here and for your Jori 1v1 build;
3 mana, at sorcery speed, and requires a discard, all seems bad. But it could retrieve two critical cards, like a ritual + wheel/tutor. I'm going to play with it when it comes out to see how it works.
I honestly am not that excited about it for a card to cost 3 or more and be red in this build it has to be really good. It's testable but it discards randomly cost 3 requires specific card in my gy to be good tell me how your testing goes though. I'm much more interested in testing unsubstantiate in counter spells slot as I have previously mentioned not becuase I think it's a better control card but becuase of its offensive potential giving me a second remand effect for my storm spells. Being able to use one in games your forced to use yagwin and not win and simply having another card with that effect seems attractive considering its versatility as a control card. That card however I don't think is as good as anything im running at 3+ CC and honestly doesn't seem better than any of my current "hit" cards.
Hey Moxnix, I have a random thing that I'd like your opinion on.
I'm working on a (terrible) zero-blue storm deck, and am thinking about adding necrologia as another mass-draw (since Ad Nauseam and Necropotence are already in the list).
By doing that I am now concerned that I won't have enough effects that give me an infinite hand size (reliquary tower and thought vessel being the current inclusions).
What is your thoughts on the number of infinite hand-size effects to run in your storm lists?
Im not a a fan of those cards to be honest thought vessel and tower are ok if you can handle the colorless mana since they are not horrible cards but the other ones are pretty crap and would just be bad cards that's only purpose is to combo with necro. I don't really know why you would want red black storm as the commanders are not good and even mono black has a better commander. Sure you get some red splash cards but a downgraded general and a pass on blue for no good reason. If you want some help you can pm me but it doesn't interest me all that much since it feels like its handicaping itself on purpose. I do wish you good luck with your build, carry on fellow storm trooper.
Has this list been updated I actually used to play byrant pile of broken and nightmares lady edh deck. I play his bryant goro deck as well. I miss storm and I just got back into edh so I might build this if its up to date. please let me know if it is and the changes if its not id love to give it a go.
Yes it's up to date. I haven't tested unsubstantiate in a control slot yet but that would be very minor change. I have played this deck over 1000 times its solid. I have not found a deck I think is better and it's generally optmzed of course control slots can be changed as you see fit if your in a consistent meta. I have not changed this build in along time and there is no reason too I have a large enough sample size in many different metas to be very confident in my choices
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Last week I won with one island and 2 rocks in play on turn 4 after I was forced to play ad nauseam on opponents t2 (no more black mana after wasteland hits so I had to take the chance with DR).
I got hit by 1x wasteland, 1x stripmine and a ******* stone rain - target no.1, right?
Unfortunately I cant play it very often due to always playinng with the same people (they are bored, I understand).
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Please do it just once on video
Jarad Graveyard Combo[Primer]!
Sidisi ANT!
Playing Commander to Win - A guide on Competitive, 4-player EDH
LandDestruction.com - An EDH blog
Ask and you shall receive. this is how lim duls vault currently functions ..... skip to the end if you want ...... https://youtu.be/6lTx66wIifg
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3 mana, at sorcery speed, and requires a discard, all seems bad. But it could retrieve two critical cards, like a ritual + wheel/tutor. I'm going to play with it when it comes out to see how it works.
Links to my most current deck lists;
Primary EDH; Rakka Mar Token Perfection, Crosis Mnemonic Betrayal, Cromat Villainous, Judith Gravestorm, Rakdos Empty Storm, Exava Artifacts, Bant Trash, & Fumiko Voltron!
EDH kept at home; Ruzzian Isset & Rakdos LoR!
EDH (nostalgic/pimp/retired) in storage;
Latulla Burns, Akroma Smash, Jeska Voltron, Rakdos Storm, Bladewing Darghans, Lyzolda Worldgorger, Xantcha Steals your Heart, Jori Storm, Wydwen Permission, Gwendlyn Paradox, Jeleva Warps, & Sigarda Brick!
Legacy Showanimator and High Tide!
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I'm working on a (terrible) zero-blue storm deck, and am thinking about adding necrologia as another mass-draw (since Ad Nauseam and Necropotence are already in the list).
By doing that I am now concerned that I won't have enough effects that give me an infinite hand size (reliquary tower and thought vessel being the current inclusions).
What is your thoughts on the number of infinite hand-size effects to run in your storm lists?
How would you rank them compared to each other?
I know venser's journal is too slow for storm, but I'm looking over anvil of bogardan/spellbook/library of leng and not sure which would be the next best inclusion.
Links to my most current deck lists;
Primary EDH; Rakka Mar Token Perfection, Crosis Mnemonic Betrayal, Cromat Villainous, Judith Gravestorm, Rakdos Empty Storm, Exava Artifacts, Bant Trash, & Fumiko Voltron!
EDH kept at home; Ruzzian Isset & Rakdos LoR!
EDH (nostalgic/pimp/retired) in storage;
Latulla Burns, Akroma Smash, Jeska Voltron, Rakdos Storm, Bladewing Darghans, Lyzolda Worldgorger, Xantcha Steals your Heart, Jori Storm, Wydwen Permission, Gwendlyn Paradox, Jeleva Warps, & Sigarda Brick!
Legacy Showanimator and High Tide!
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