Necropotence is a triggered ability. U can keep responding to its trigger. And never let the trigger resolve. Or if u discard dakmor. U can stack ur triggers with gitrog and nexropotence. And get dakmor back to ur hand before the exiling of it happens.
Can you explain the doomsday lines in more detail. For example does there have to be certain cards in hand and how to accomplish teh combo then. Thanks.
Absolutely! So the easiest Doomsday line is usually the Rain of Filth line. It requires four lands in play and 1B in pool after resolving Doomsday. Here's how that plays out.
Resolve Doomsday (Rain of Filth, Skirge Familiar, Dakmor Salvage, Kozilek, Praetor's Grasp)
Use your cantrip, draw Rain of Filth, cast it
Sac four lands, draw four cards, make BBBB
Cast Skirge Familiar, discard Kozilek, discard Dakmor Salvage, perform the loop.
Note that if you don't have enough lands in play, but you have extra mana, this line will still get you there. You only need 2 lands in play to draw Skirge Familiar and Dakmor, so theoretically you could have 3 floating at the beginning and 2 lands in play. Note also you can change the pile to use Putrid Imp if you already have Kozilek or a Ritual effect in your hand to save on mana requirements.
Lake of the Dead plays the exact same role as Rain of Filth, except it's even more mana-lite. Lake of the Dead eats a land-drop and requires two Swamps, but if you only have B in pool and one land drop, it's the only pile that will work.
So how do you play around necropotence if it exiles your discards
Necropotence's discard downside actually does nothing to our combo. That's right, nothing. Because Necropotence has a triggered ability, we can choose to have it resolve after the Dakmor gets dredged to our hand. Similarly, if we discard Kozilek, the shuffle trigger can resolve before the exile trigger does.
Hmm. I haven't considered Necrologia. The big difference between this card and Ad Nauseam is that an Ad Naus can be casted at an opponent's EOT, then you untap, cast Gitrog, and win. With Necrologia, you have to have Gitrog in play first to win on the spot. However, it does seem likely that, if you can draw a full 39 cards and you have TGM in play, you will win. First of all, if you get Dakmor, you just win on the spot through the end step loop. If you don't get Dakmor but you have just one more mana, you can chain rituals and use Oblivion Crown or a Necromancy for a discard outlet, then use a dredge card to chain into Dakmor. Could be worth testing.
Definitely nice, probably just a one-for-one replacement for Crucible. You don't need multiple of that effect, and as far as I'm concerned this is just a more tutorable crucible.
Hi, is it still viable this deck in the current format? Do you have an updated list?
I just started to get interested into commander when I found this deck (it plays my most favourite magic card ever which I used to play even in Legacy, doomsday :heart:).
Thanks for your beatiful primer btw, I really appreciated reading it.
Sadly, I think razzliox left MTGSal due to some differences of opinion between him and the other Mods/Primer Committee members. A real loss to the community.
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Updated Gitrog lists are lean, mean, and super competitive machines of doom. They are constantly threatening a winning combo line for what feels like nearly every turn. The sheer number of cards a Gitrog player can see outside of tutors is stunning. I highly recommend taking razzliox's list and comparing it to the TappedOut list. There's also a nice cEDH compendium maintained on reddit, located here. This will be a good starting place for you to learn more about the Hypno-Toad in all of its dastardly glory.
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Absolutely! So the easiest Doomsday line is usually the Rain of Filth line. It requires four lands in play and 1B in pool after resolving Doomsday. Here's how that plays out.
Resolve Doomsday (Rain of Filth, Skirge Familiar, Dakmor Salvage, Kozilek, Praetor's Grasp)
Use your cantrip, draw Rain of Filth, cast it
Sac four lands, draw four cards, make BBBB
Cast Skirge Familiar, discard Kozilek, discard Dakmor Salvage, perform the loop.
Note that if you don't have enough lands in play, but you have extra mana, this line will still get you there. You only need 2 lands in play to draw Skirge Familiar and Dakmor, so theoretically you could have 3 floating at the beginning and 2 lands in play. Note also you can change the pile to use Putrid Imp if you already have Kozilek or a Ritual effect in your hand to save on mana requirements.
Lake of the Dead plays the exact same role as Rain of Filth, except it's even more mana-lite. Lake of the Dead eats a land-drop and requires two Swamps, but if you only have B in pool and one land drop, it's the only pile that will work.
Necropotence's discard downside actually does nothing to our combo. That's right, nothing. Because Necropotence has a triggered ability, we can choose to have it resolve after the Dakmor gets dredged to our hand. Similarly, if we discard Kozilek, the shuffle trigger can resolve before the exile trigger does.
Hmm. I haven't considered Necrologia. The big difference between this card and Ad Nauseam is that an Ad Naus can be casted at an opponent's EOT, then you untap, cast Gitrog, and win. With Necrologia, you have to have Gitrog in play first to win on the spot. However, it does seem likely that, if you can draw a full 39 cards and you have TGM in play, you will win. First of all, if you get Dakmor, you just win on the spot through the end step loop. If you don't get Dakmor but you have just one more mana, you can chain rituals and use Oblivion Crown or a Necromancy for a discard outlet, then use a dredge card to chain into Dakmor. Could be worth testing.
Definitely nice, probably just a one-for-one replacement for Crucible. You don't need multiple of that effect, and as far as I'm concerned this is just a more tutorable crucible.
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I just started to get interested into commander when I found this deck (it plays my most favourite magic card ever which I used to play even in Legacy, doomsday :heart:).
Thanks for your beatiful primer btw, I really appreciated reading it.
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@user-1000
Updated Gitrog lists are lean, mean, and super competitive machines of doom. They are constantly threatening a winning combo line for what feels like nearly every turn. The sheer number of cards a Gitrog player can see outside of tutors is stunning. I highly recommend taking razzliox's list and comparing it to the TappedOut list. There's also a nice cEDH compendium maintained on reddit, located here. This will be a good starting place for you to learn more about the Hypno-Toad in all of its dastardly glory.
Carry on!
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RBW [Primer]-Kaalia of the Vast
BUG [Primer]-Tasigur, the Golden Fang
GWU [Primer]-Arcades, the Strategist
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