You should run Yawgmoth as a sac outlet. It isn't often that you get a free sac outlet that has the effect of drawing a card. (and also killing your opponent's things)
You should run Yawgmoth as a sac outlet. It isn't often that you get a free sac outlet that has the effect of drawing a card. (and also killing your opponent's things)
I plan on putting it in mine.
Ditto. Yawgmoth does everything the deck wants to and more.
I have found a new EDH play group and I'm getting back in the game! Luckily this group is more competitive than my last. So it's time to upgrade my Marchesa list in a major fashion.
Y'all have to tell me if this combo works like I hope it does:
Also Metallic Mimic(Naming Goblin)+Redcap+Sac. outlet seems to work as well.
If I've got Mikaeus in there, might as well add Triskelion for another infinite combo right?
Do all of these combos work like I think they do?
If so, my deck will get redone to become centered around these combos with general aggro Marchesa shenanigans as a back up plan. What do y'all think?
Getting some great ideas from the main decklist on this thread! Jokulhaups is nasty, funny, and a legitimate wincon at the same time. I also like that it's cheap monetarily.
Mikaeus and Mimic work that way with Redcap, yeah. I’d recommend maybe skipping Triskelion just because it doesn’t do much on its own and your slot might be better spent on a higher impact card.
I don’t run Redcap but I do play Glen Elendra Archmage for infinite sac trigger shenanigans, that’s possibly an additional option to consider.
I like Puppeteer Clique for that as well. Redcap feels weak in general without a combo, but both Glen Elenda and Clique have relevant effects (and evasion) even without a combo.
Thanks for the feedback. I've delved deeper into the combo side of this deck. Once I had some crucial pieces in the list and continued to brew, new possibilities for combos kept popping up. My list may become an "Oops, all combos" deck.
I like Murderous Redcap because it provides a two card infinite combo with either Mikaeus, the Unhallowed or Metallic Mimic. If the deck became a bit more combo oriented, there are many pieces we can use. We have some great tutors being in black anyway!
These are the possible combo pieces I've laid out so far. Note that I have not entered all iterations of possible combo pieces, for example there are many blood artist type creatures that could be paired with persist type creatures plus a sac. outlet for an infinite combo.
The combo ideas just keep unfolding and I can't keep up with it all in the time I have to think about it. For the first time ever, the need to construct some kind of flow chart or idea web on paper for an EDH deck has become necessary. It may seem ridiculous to think of stringing 4+different cards together to perform a combo. On the other hand, we can tune the deck so that the combo pieces work with each other, and provide value given our commander, and multiple pieces become interchangeable.
I hope I'm not infecting this thread too much. It seems like combo wasn't the intent of this original deck build. I'll make a new thread when I get a decent list together. Just hoping to use the collective Marchesa knowledge as a jumping off point.
Philosophically, I like having some infinite combo in my deck so that it's possible for me to end the game so that we can play another.
If you play a lot of ETB creatures, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is a synergy card at the base level and can combo with Pestermite, Deceiver Exarch, and Zealous Conscripts. Kiki in the yard plus Goblin Bombarment/Blood Artist+Sac Outlet/Purphoros, God of the Forge and Necrotic Ooze in play is an instant win, as well, though I only play Ooze. I have Kiki, Conscripts, and Pestermite as well as Mike-Trike in my deck. Imperial Recruiter can grab Kiki or Pestermite and Recruiter -> Kiki -> Clone Recruiter -> Pestermite -> Untap Kiki -> 10^100 Pestermites is doable for RRR with a Sneak Attack in play.
You guys messing around with Magmasaur at all? This has been one of my pet cards for Marchesa. A bit slow, but so is Nev's disk right? You get to deal 5 damage to everyone and 5 to each non-flying creature. If you have Marchesa out, preferably with a +1/+1 counter already attached, you get them both back on your endstep. It's pretty great in an aggro deck. This little synergy has won me more than 1 game!
Mikaeus and Mimic work that way with Redcap, yeah. I’d recommend maybe skipping Triskelion just because it doesn’t do much on its own and your slot might be better spent on a higher impact card.
I don’t run Redcap but I do play Glen Elendra Archmage for infinite sac trigger shenanigans, that’s possibly an additional option to consider.
Can you lay this out for me? Do you mean Glen Elendra plus Mikaeus plus sac. outlet?
How do y'all feel about Tainted Aether? What I'm thinking is, if you get a really great head start with early creatures, play out Marchesa plus an undying creature, then show them your taint and see how they feel about it . I think with an undying creature+Tainted Aether+Marchesa+Unspeakable Symbol does some things. Or, just Marchesa, plus undying creature, plus creature that already had a +1/+1 counter on it. That way you can play the undying creature, sac. it to itself, then it undies, sac. it to itself again, it comes back at end step due to marchesa. Add in a blood artist and go to town.
I also believe the "Go aggro early, play Marchesa get counters on creatures then play tainted aether before opponents have any creatures out" route could net some wins.
Don't know though, this card is super hard to evaluate with Marchesa. Can anyone explain the rules to me on this? Think of any good interactions? Ravenous Chupacabra + Unspeakable Symbol + Tainted Aether + Sac. outlet?
Flayer of the Hatebound + Tainted Aether + Marchesa, the black Rose anyone? Not sure how much damage yu deal per turn with that, but it's a lot. There's also the Flayer, Blood artist, Goblin Bombardment nonsense I've been looking at. Blood artist is decent with tainted aether + Marchesa + Undying creature
I feel that there could be some good synergy with persist creatures and those with +1/+1 counters from Marchesa.
Mikaeus and Mimic work that way with Redcap, yeah. I’d recommend maybe skipping Triskelion just because it doesn’t do much on its own and your slot might be better spent on a higher impact card.
I don’t run Redcap but I do play Glen Elendra Archmage for infinite sac trigger shenanigans, that’s possibly an additional option to consider.
Can you lay this out for me? Do you mean Glen Elendra plus Mikaeus plus sac. outlet?
Yeah, exactly. So Mikaeus, Metallic Mimic (naming Wizards), or Sage of Fables will go infinite along with Glen Elendra and any free sacrifice outlet like Carrion Feeder, Viscera Seer, Phyrexian Altar, or Grimgrin.
As an aside, I don't know if anyone planned on testing Bolas' Citadel - if you are I'd highly recommend it. I've been using it for the past three weeks or so and I've gotten three sessions of 4/5 games in and it's overperformed substantially. It's a little soon to making any sweeping judgments, but it feels like it effectively locks the game out if it resolves people can't address it in a single turn cycle.
I run cards like Viscera Seer, Vampiric Tutor, and Lim-Dul's Vault to smooth things out and so far I tend to end up winning the game the turn I play it quite frequently, usually by playing Gray Merchant and zipping through the deck finding the three clone effects I run. If anyone has been looking for a bomb or an additional way to ensure more wins or value, try the Citadel and see if it's something that works for your list.
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I plan on putting it in mine.
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Y'all have to tell me if this combo works like I hope it does:
Murderous Redcap+Mikaeus the Unhallowed+Sac. outlet=Infinite damage to any targets
Also Metallic Mimic(Naming Goblin)+Redcap+Sac. outlet seems to work as well.
If I've got Mikaeus in there, might as well add Triskelion for another infinite combo right?
Do all of these combos work like I think they do?
If so, my deck will get redone to become centered around these combos with general aggro Marchesa shenanigans as a back up plan. What do y'all think?
Getting some great ideas from the main decklist on this thread! Jokulhaups is nasty, funny, and a legitimate wincon at the same time. I also like that it's cheap monetarily.
I don’t run Redcap but I do play Glen Elendra Archmage for infinite sac trigger shenanigans, that’s possibly an additional option to consider.
I like Murderous Redcap because it provides a two card infinite combo with either Mikaeus, the Unhallowed or Metallic Mimic. If the deck became a bit more combo oriented, there are many pieces we can use. We have some great tutors being in black anyway!
These are the possible combo pieces I've laid out so far. Note that I have not entered all iterations of possible combo pieces, for example there are many blood artist type creatures that could be paired with persist type creatures plus a sac. outlet for an infinite combo.
The combo ideas just keep unfolding and I can't keep up with it all in the time I have to think about it. For the first time ever, the need to construct some kind of flow chart or idea web on paper for an EDH deck has become necessary. It may seem ridiculous to think of stringing 4+different cards together to perform a combo. On the other hand, we can tune the deck so that the combo pieces work with each other, and provide value given our commander, and multiple pieces become interchangeable.
I hope I'm not infecting this thread too much. It seems like combo wasn't the intent of this original deck build. I'll make a new thread when I get a decent list together. Just hoping to use the collective Marchesa knowledge as a jumping off point.
If you play a lot of ETB creatures, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is a synergy card at the base level and can combo with Pestermite, Deceiver Exarch, and Zealous Conscripts. Kiki in the yard plus Goblin Bombarment/Blood Artist+Sac Outlet/Purphoros, God of the Forge and Necrotic Ooze in play is an instant win, as well, though I only play Ooze. I have Kiki, Conscripts, and Pestermite as well as Mike-Trike in my deck. Imperial Recruiter can grab Kiki or Pestermite and Recruiter -> Kiki -> Clone Recruiter -> Pestermite -> Untap Kiki -> 10^100 Pestermites is doable for RRR with a Sneak Attack in play.
You guys messing around with Magmasaur at all? This has been one of my pet cards for Marchesa. A bit slow, but so is Nev's disk right? You get to deal 5 damage to everyone and 5 to each non-flying creature. If you have Marchesa out, preferably with a +1/+1 counter already attached, you get them both back on your endstep. It's pretty great in an aggro deck. This little synergy has won me more than 1 game!
Also, I'm brewing my new combo oriented Marchesa list on a new thread now. At this point, I'm weeding some combos out. It's totally in brew mode right now. Y'all should come check it out though! My explanation of things is pretty incomplete right now. However y'all probably have enough experience with her to suss out the unexplained synergies. Many thanks!
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/811419-oops-all-combos-marchesa-the-black-rose-help-me#c3
Can you lay this out for me? Do you mean Glen Elendra plus Mikaeus plus sac. outlet?
I also believe the "Go aggro early, play Marchesa get counters on creatures then play tainted aether before opponents have any creatures out" route could net some wins.
Don't know though, this card is super hard to evaluate with Marchesa. Can anyone explain the rules to me on this? Think of any good interactions? Ravenous Chupacabra + Unspeakable Symbol + Tainted Aether + Sac. outlet?
Flayer of the Hatebound + Tainted Aether + Marchesa, the black Rose anyone? Not sure how much damage yu deal per turn with that, but it's a lot. There's also the Flayer, Blood artist, Goblin Bombardment nonsense I've been looking at. Blood artist is decent with tainted aether + Marchesa + Undying creature
I feel that there could be some good synergy with persist creatures and those with +1/+1 counters from Marchesa.
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Yeah, exactly. So Mikaeus, Metallic Mimic (naming Wizards), or Sage of Fables will go infinite along with Glen Elendra and any free sacrifice outlet like Carrion Feeder, Viscera Seer, Phyrexian Altar, or Grimgrin.
As an aside, I don't know if anyone planned on testing Bolas' Citadel - if you are I'd highly recommend it. I've been using it for the past three weeks or so and I've gotten three sessions of 4/5 games in and it's overperformed substantially. It's a little soon to making any sweeping judgments, but it feels like it effectively locks the game out if it resolves people can't address it in a single turn cycle.
I run cards like Viscera Seer, Vampiric Tutor, and Lim-Dul's Vault to smooth things out and so far I tend to end up winning the game the turn I play it quite frequently, usually by playing Gray Merchant and zipping through the deck finding the three clone effects I run. If anyone has been looking for a bomb or an additional way to ensure more wins or value, try the Citadel and see if it's something that works for your list.