I like the recent changes. How has Aggravated Assault been doing for you? I have some concerns as to how much mana it can consume and playing + using it in the same turn sounds like a beast of a challenge.
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I like the recent changes. How has Aggravated Assault been doing for you? I have some concerns as to how much mana it can consume and playing + using it in the same turn sounds like a beast of a challenge.
Yeah I'm curious how Aggravated Assault has been doing for you as well. I used to run it with Sword of Feast and Famine but my problem with the setup was it cost too much mana for no immediate impact usually because I didn't have the necessary evasion.
My goal isn't to play and use in the same turn, I drop Aggravated Assault when I have spare mana and then proceed to threaten double combat steps from that point on. There have been a few games where I didn't have anything better to do, so I swung twice. I also run a few more 'on attack' triggers than you ISB, so I get a lot more value from re-swinging.
I realized with my lowish curve (not as long as ISB's), I actually rarely got to use Opal Palace for value. With a colorless land doing nothing, I thought to include Volrath's Stronghold. The issue with a lot of recursion is that it takes up slots that an aggro deck doesn't want to see drawn. As a land, Stronghold is such a low opportunity cost that it'll easily be able to fetch whatever Creatures I need for the moment. After all, I do have some very powerful choices but not enough to warrant wasting a spot on Phyrexian Reclamation or the like. I am excited for this switch, we'll see if it'll matter.
Swamp for Blood Crypt is just to improve the mana base.
I opened an Immortal Sun at the prerelease but I was uncertain which deck to put it in. In the end, I decided with Vampires. I do not want to spend time attacking Planeswalkers when I can just kill players. I have so many different Creatures types with the token swarm that a Creature Agnostic Anthem is great. An extra draw is great in any deck and it is nice getting cost reductions on a deck that's trying to swarm the table. If I have any Extort in play, each of those cost savings turns into another point on each of my opponents. I decided to cut Crib Swap because while it was cute in generating an extra Vampire body, I rather go around than through opposing Creatures.
Harsh Mercy wasn't the most effective and even if it was solid, the solution most of the time was play more bodies and keep swarming. I saw Minions' Murmurs on ISBPathfinder's thread and I'm giving it a try.
I haven't drawn Sun, haven't seen it action; nothing. But I'm getting sweet value in a trade, so off it goes. Since I'm looking for more ways to keep my draw going, the Mind-Eater returns while having evasion and also denying my opponents resources.
I've found that I don't care to Wrath, I just want to keep swarming. I also never used Dawn's Aftermath unless I ran out of draw. Twilight Prophet helps me kill the table, draw cards and gets in there with evasion. I also didn't want to cut a Creature that costed less for Twilight Prophet, I am trying to keep my average CMC low.
Aggravated Assault costs a lot of mana and doesn't do much when I'm ahead or behind. It's powerful, but I am choosing to not develop my board when I swing again. Just keep spamming bodies out has been a successful strategy so I'll stick to that with Oversold Cemetery. Low cost, set it and forget it recursion is something I can get behind.
Bloodline Keeper generates bodies, has evasion and is a large anthem for the majority of the bodies I run. Kheru was always a place holder when it got back in.
Mirror Entity has always made me happy in making a body, I very rarely wanted to go tall with this deck: just keep going wider on my opponents. Luminarch Ascension is a game ender with low opportunity cost, low mana and high efficiency. I'll give it a test.
Didn't have time for Volrath's and I didn't like the colorless, added a Shockland to improve the manabase.
As far as I see it now, this is the best the deck's going to be until they print something that really shakes up my list - aside from random tinkering.
Luminarch didn't go online until it didn't matter, so I'm just sticking to adding more bodies to the ground. I've dismissed Stromkirk Noble previously because I didn't think Protection from Humans was good; needless to say, I hear random +1/+1s are good so after slapping myself in the head I added it to the list.
Oversold Cemetery was also too slow, dependant on certain setups. Dark Tutelage is a draw engine that's type agnostic; hopefully I won't be trashed too many times from drawing a high CMC card. Unlikely due to the low curve, but who knows?
Due to the nature of the deck and how it is supposed to come out swinging, I am becoming less and less tolerant of ETBT Lands. Cairns' price bottomed out with the 25 Printing; right now, I'm hoping for Fetid Heath to drop more before I pick them up.
This deck has wildly different games depending on what I luck out on. When a friend decided to sell me his collection as he wanted out of the hobby, I knew that Edgar needed consistency the most out of my decks. Demonic Tutor goes in to find exactly what I need. Vampire Nighthawk pales in comparison between my windmill slams of 4 drops and efficient 2 drops.
Vampiric Tutor is the same uber efficency that Soltari Champion doesn't quite provide. His requirement to be swinging to give the boost really hampers my team.
I was looking at ISBPathfinder's decklist and I just couldn't figure out why he had Austere Command. I then double checked and realized it was off of CMC, with how low my guys go, this suddenly seemed like a no brainer. Mortify, a single target removal for an Enchantment or Creature became my obvious pick for a flex Creature/Noncreature spot removal slot.
Windbrisk Heights' utility is not worth the ETBT nature, so with Fetid Heath I figure my starts will be less hampered.
This deck has wildly different games depending on what I luck out on. When a friend decided to sell me his collection as he wanted out of the hobby, I knew that Edgar needed consistency the most out of my decks. Demonic Tutor goes in to find exactly what I need. Vampire Nighthawk pales in comparison between my windmill slams of 4 drops and efficient 2 drops.
Vampiric Tutor is the same uber efficency that Soltari Champion doesn't quite provide. His requirement to be swinging to give the boost really hampers my team.
I was looking at ISBPathfinder's decklist and I just couldn't figure out why he had Austere Command. I then double checked and realized it was off of CMC, with how low my guys go, this suddenly seemed like a no brainer. Mortify, a single target removal for an Enchantment or Creature became my obvious pick for a flex Creature/Noncreature spot removal slot.
Windbrisk Heights' utility is not worth the ETBT nature, so with Fetid Heath I figure my starts will be less hampered.
Austere for big creatures is nice but its also that I just didn't really have much to sweep out artifacts and enchantments. Having a single sweeper option in the list as well gives your tutors some toolboxing options too. I run quite a bit of tutors in my list in part because of how powerful Necropotence is and normally speaking my tutor priority tends to be power draw > flashy bomb > answer (unless a flashy bomb ends the game) but in the case that someone shuts down my gameplan then tutoring for an answer is sometimes needed. I justify it given the combination of reasons given I can potentially one sided sweep a bunch of stuff out and it opens my tutors up a little more and gives me more options in a pinch.
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Thanks for the tip. I figured it was the same priority. I guess the next expensive tutor would be Enlightened for all of the broken Enchantments I run.
Enlightened Tutor is bonkers, it fetches practically the same things as Vampiric Tutor, so this will be a nice addition to increasing the deck's consistency. Legion's Landing has been leaving much to be desired; with Enlightened I'll be able to climb out of problems.
I cut Clifftop and Dragonskull because of their potential ETBT nature. Swamp for Urborg is practically a strict upgrade. The Gemstone Cavern will help this deck perform in the tempo game.
Recently I had some friends get into commander, and I have this precon lying around so I figured it would be a cheap way to go to have a deck to play with them. I am not trying to spend thousands or even hundreds of dollars to make a super competitive deck. Just a casual deck that won't get completely rolled over. I for sure want to stick to a go wide, token strategy with some sacrifice outlets. Maybe 1 or 2 combos to win the game for fun, but nothing super consistent. Obviously any of the on color fetches, shocks, pains, fastlands, buddy/check lands ect. But here are some of the cards I have and am highly considering adding. Let me know what you think.
welcome to any other cheap suggestions. Would also like to know what like win the game sac outlet combo I could include in this that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
Recently I had some friends get into commander, and I have this precon lying around so I figured it would be a cheap way to go to have a deck to play with them. I am not trying to spend thousands or even hundreds of dollars to make a super competitive deck. Just a casual deck that won't get completely rolled over. I for sure want to stick to a go wide, token strategy with some sacrifice outlets. Maybe 1 or 2 combos to win the game for fun, but nothing super consistent. Obviously any of the on color fetches, shocks, pains, fastlands, buddy/check lands ect. But here are some of the cards I have and am highly considering adding. Let me know what you think.
welcome to any other cheap suggestions. Would also like to know what like win the game sac outlet combo I could include in this that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
Considering how much Goblin Bombardment has spiked in the last few days, I'm not sure if it doesn't count as costing an army and leg but that would be my Sac Outlet of choice. You might have one laying around. Impact Tremors is another mid price card that seals the game.
Depending on whether you want to stick on theme or not will inform your choices of cheap ways to close out the game. For example, I use Hanweir Garrison and Mardu Ascendancy to pump out cheap bodies to go wide. I believe both cards are inexpensive and they're complete bonkers. Ogre Battledriver is also nuts at quickly killing and I think he's under 50 cents. If you want to go in-theme, another inexpensive way to kill the table after some luck is Kheru Bloodsucker, who kind of demands other Vampiric Anthems like Stensia Masquerade and Rakish Heir. With the Bloodsucker and a little bit of pump, I've had players accidentally lose the game Wrathing due to him draining out the table.
Personally, I would stay away from some big finisher. Instead, cram as much card draw as you can afford in this deck and just keep putting pressure on the board, immediately rebuilding after each wipe. Even if it isn't beloved, Outpost Siege and Stromkirk Occultist still 'draw' you cards. As for some of the real stand outs that I haven't mentioned before:Reconnaisance is amazing, though it has spiked lately. Smuggler's Copter is a fine way to keep drawing, even if it is off theme but I believe it's pretty cheap compared to when it wasn't banned in Standard. Dark Prophecy is also grand and inexpensive but then it requires an amazing mana base to support that triple Black. Blood Seeker makes them lose the defense game.
As for you list, I am not a fan of Coat of Arms because it is such a headache to figure out. Bishop of the Bloodstained might disappoint once you start fine tuning the deck, plus there's always competition with Gray Merchant of Asphodel. Depending on your build, Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle may be solid or ineffective. I think Anointed Procession is a winmore; you need to keep putting pressure on the board, anything that gives your opponents breathing room has to be absurdly good.
With the dissolution of my Akiri Kraum deck, I had a Land Tax and I knew which deck would need it most. Arguel's Blood Fast is the clunkiest card draw in the deck, so it got the axe.
With the creation of my Tymna Tana Blood Pod deck, they needed the Urborg more than Edgar. The Swamp goes back in.
this thread is really cool. How does this deck work out for you? I have a semi-upgraded edgar deck and I'm thinking about to get some of your upgrades.
Is your current list (p1) fun to play? I'm asking because some of this cards are pretty expensive and I don't want to waste some money:)
Yeah, my list is fun. Though it doesn't need to be as expensive as that list is. I've been working on this deck for close to a year, and it has gone through various iterations. The first was to have a deck to fight newbies with, but I got frustrated so I went with vampire tribal and that had problems too. I got inspired by ISBPathfinder's Edgar but my mana curve is not as flat as his, I play with more expensive cards than him and I eschew Vampire flavour for token spam.
I would suggest buying the Precon and upgrading things as you. If you look through my Changelog, I've made quite a few changes to the deck over the year. You might find that you want to put more token spam than even I run, or you want to go tall with bulky Vampires with Aristocrat support. I've even seen Madness builds supported by cards like Tortured Existence to just keep the Vampire spam going.
I like very aggressive decks when it comes to Aggro and it is fun trying to kill the board before they stabilize and kill you. So, I have fun with the deck, especially if you're fine with killing one player but acknowledging you probably won't win the game. I hope that answered your questions and calmed any concerns.
Diabolic Intent's price bottomed out as far as it will ever be, so I picked up a copy. I'm going to have to get a few more for all of my decks. Dark Tutelage got the axe as the least impressive non-Creature. Perhaps there should be another cut but I had a hard time even coming to this decision.
Commander is just for fun, well for me, so winning is nice but it is not a obligation. I really like my edgar deck but it's lacking some late game power. Mardu late game is pretty hard against control/combo.
What do you thing about the new battle bond dual lands like Luxury Suite . Could be a land with best value for money. Am I right?
Well, if you're concerned about late game, you could build your Edgar to have more hatebear effects or go for your own combo. I saw a build on this board that uses Edgar's Eminence to go infinite. I'm not interested in that here, so I don't have them.
Luxury Suite is going to make its way to this deck eventually, I am just not in a rush to upgrade this deck. I do think Tainted Peak and Tainted Field might be better, depending on whether you have a lot of Swamps in your build. Dragonskull Summit is also pretty cheap and has been reprinted into the ground, you might be able to trade for it easily. There is also the Theros block Temples. If you're serious about aggression, you wouldn't want to use them but depending on your build they might be fine.
I was just asking, because in Germany (again sorry - my english is a bit rusty) there are a lot of cheap bb lands.
I really like your Deck and I will try some of your suggestions. I have a panharmonicon and a strionic Resonator in my Collection. Could be a good Combo with the gods especially purphoros and ghostly prison could be good too.
I'm just playing since january - so I have to look what "hatebears" would be good for this deck.
I saw a build on this board that uses Edgar's Eminence to go infinite.
Yeah I have annointed procesion and crusade plus sorin. Don't know if I'll keep them. My first build was a wide and tall build - I guess I will mix it with your decklist. Your gods seems pretty good for wide and tall. One will punish others for my new creatures/tokens, the other one protects them in fights and the last one punish other players for killing them. Sanguine bond + Exquisite Blood would be good with all these "target Player get's x damage" cards.
What do you think about conspiracy and make every creature a vampire, so malakir will trigger for every creature or the precon card door of destinies. Cards like "every vampire gets +x+x" could trigger for every card.
Ixalan has a lot of "create x Vampire Tokens" eg call to the feast. I'm not sure if these Cards would be good if I use them together with annointed and purphoros.
Why do you Play land tax and sword of the aminist. For 11 Basic Cards? Or do you want the Shuffle. Shouldn't you blade of the bloodchief in a Vampire deck?
No, what I mean by Combo is that if you get the cards together you win the game, not having synergy between cards. Purphoros, God of the Forge has synergy with Panharmonicon but it isn't a combo because it doesn't win you the game on the spot. This was the decklist I was referring to, where you use an Zombie Knight in your Graveyard with a Vampire Knight to cause Infinite ETBs or Death Triggers.
Personally, I don't think Panharmonicon and Strionic Resonator are worth it. Any time you are not playing a Creature to put pressure on the board, that card has to be amazing. Purphoros is worth taking a turn off of putting pressure because he'll give you so much more reach, Necropotence is worth taking a turn off because it'll refill your hand. Sometimes you need to make do with your budget, so I have something like Phyrexian Arena to draw me cards instead of Ad Nauseam. I think you can do better with budget options over Panharmonicon and Strionic.
This is also why I don't run Anointed Procession; it may double the tokens I make but it gives my opponents breathing room. I rather have them playing answers than having a turn to breathe to develop their board. This deck cannot win a marathon, so it needs to kill the table before they hit their stride by sprinting to victory.
This doesn't mean these cards are bad or you shouldn't use them. I just wouldn't use them for my build. I am going super low-to-the-ground Aggro, but if you went with a different strategy these cards might be amazing. For example, an 'Aristocrat' build. Aristocrats is slang for Creatures that get a benefit for Sacrificing Creatures. Suddenly, Panharmonicon and Procession become great for token making, as your Creatures feed off of your own Vampires. So that's also why I wouldn't consider Conspiracy. It gives my opponents breathing room by casting a non-threat for not much of a benefit for my strategy. I am already one of the 'taller' fast Edgar aggro decks, in that my stuff costs more than other builds like ISBPathfinder's Edgar. I can't really afford adding more high converted mana cost cards to this deck without having to completely change my strategy.
Blade of the Bloodchief is a fun card, but it focuses my damage onto one particular Creature. This makes it easier to stop my deck because out of 15 damage attacking, they can block 7 of it from one Creature, as an example. I run Land Tax because it effectively lets me draw 9 cards. He who draws most tends to win, so it is a one mana card that will draw me and also fix my mana. I run Sword of the Animist because it is Ramp, it gets me ahead of my opponents which lets me spam more Vampires.
Thanks for the explanation. It's much clearer to me now. My problem is ... I still don't know whether I want to go for wide and tall or aristocrat. I guess I will try some of you cards, especially the gods, and after that I will see.
Please keep in mind, that I've been playing magic for 4 month - everything is still new for me, so I have to try what suits me best. But I think the best idea for me would be not to go around and buy everything I see - I'll take my time for trying out different versions.
I'm thinking about getting at least the gods.
I had the idea to choose panharmonicon because a few days ago I saw some group getting 36 damage (puphoros, pia and kiran, panharmonicon and anointed procession).
I still have cathars crusade and some lords in my deck, because of cards like that I play cards like anointed procession.
There are generally speaking two reasons why most edgar decks that stick arround go with cheap fast swarms of vampires. Most of us did in fact start with the big clunky vamps but through deck testing and talking to each other we saw more reason to go with a low curve and swarm tactic. Those reasons tend to be:
The Token - if I play a 6 mana vampire each turn once I come up to mana I will get one additional token is all. On the other hand if I cast Pulse Tracker, I get the exact same additional value from Edgar Markov in that I get a single 1/1 black vampire. The free value added that comes from the commander is a big deal so if I can play 3 fast little guys each turn instead of one big guy a turn then I will generate three times the free value in tokens.
The +1/+1 Counters - Edgar Markov when you cast him allows you to put a counter on each vampire you control. If you have more vampires, it means more power added. When you have a few chunky vampires, casting Edgar Markov is a much worse play than having a bunch of small vampires.
Edgar gives two big reasons to cast cheap little vampires over big chunky vampires in that he gives a lot more support in playing lots of small things rather than a few big things. Obviously the concern with playing a lot of little things comes back to playing the correct amount of draw to keep the deck moving otherwise obviously you will run out of resources. I constantly tell people in my build that I run a TON of tutors so that I can go and get Necropotence as its one of the most insane ways in which to play a full hand of cards every turn.
You will see with many veteran Edgar Markov players that moving to a lower curve and faster smaller vampires is the way to go in part because that is where the synergy of the commander is at.
Side Note: Panharmonicon is winmore here because so few of our creatures have ETB effects, sure it would be sweet with Purphoros but sticking him is going to lead to a good result anyways.
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I went a more Aristocrat like build initially as well, but going the low curve route just feels more interactive and fun. A good way to find out what you'll like more is just make both builds on tapped out and just goldfish/playtest the deck there, it's where I learned to appreciate the deck the most as even just goldfishing this deck is fun. But yeah, the key aspect of the deck is definitely getting your card draw going and having some tutors to get those draw engines on the board like ISBPathfinder said. I run a more budgeted version of these lists and so far I feel it hasn't hampered the deck much.
Thanks for all your help. Really nice of you.
I didnt knew tapped out. Thank you.
Well.. now it is still not easy for me ... I can see why sma creatures are so important... But I already have my annointed procession, sorins, doors of destinies and so on. Maybe selling them
I was trying top build a go wide Deck und push These creatures with cards like sorin, crusade or doof of destinies.
Edgar gives +1+1 but a door of.destinies with some or crusade counters can give a lot more...i really likes playing big vampires pike butcher of malakir or vampire notcurnus.
I think i will cut some of these expensive creatures for smaller one anderen will get the gods and some tutors.
... I cant afford all cards at once... jusr bought some lands for modern... was already pretty expensive ^^Some smaller vamps, cut some big ones and get these gods and
Some tutors.
Right Order?
If you look at my deck, you'll see I've been working on this for roughly 10 months. Now, that may sound like a long time but considering the history of Magic, it really isn't. Even just putting five dollars (So 3 Euroes? I dunno the conversion) a week towards Magic will pay off dividends. Perhaps you only buy one card a month or maybe you buy a bunch. Even moving slowly towards your goal is still accomplishing your goal. That's how I have so many decks, I acknowledge that not all of them need to be the best or have the best right away. Instead, I randomly put effort into different decks over time and they improve over time.
With that said, it is possible to go with what you have. Put them in your deck, buy other things. As you play, you should take note of cards that disappointed you or weren't as good. It is possible to build something else that will impress others, or you can design something totally new. For example, if I wanted to go bulky Vampires, I would go with a psuedo-Aristocrat build. I'd use cards like Martyr's Cause or Fanatical Devotion to protect my bulky Vampires, as they come with built-in tokens. I would Control the board with cards like Attrition and Goblin Bombardment. I would push Edgar to a Midrange Build over this Aggro Build. Play with what you got and over time you get to improve it. You could go with an Enchantress-style of Edgar, I guarantee you that's a unique path and it sounds like you're committed to that.
I don't know why others chose to make their Edgar the way they did, I just wanted another swarm style deck because I have enough Midrange-style decks that I wanted something different. EDH, I find, is about expressing yourself through deckbuilding except at the higher tiers of the game where efficiency is required above all else. Make your own deck, come to your own conclusions. Enjoy the ride.
My Edgar deck started out as a shell to make Elenda, the Dusk Rose work, as felt like she'd be a fun vampire to build around but while trying to put her together I found I wanted slightly more than Orzhov colors were going to afford me. On top of that she is a one-hit wonder so Edgar provided more out of the Command Zone for me. After several games with the deck I wanted to do more with the deck and just go more aggro with it to get through the early game better, which made me look at the low curve builds... the aggro swarm style was something that I wanted more of, since it made it feel different from my other decks and have been enjoying the deck far more after ditching more and more of the slower top end vampires and getting closer to other people's lists, just by cutting those cards that felt weaker to me.
The deck I run still has Anointed Procession as a result from its previous iterations for example, while some cards I left out just to be kinder to my wallet. Especially seeing I have allocated a monthly budget to my Magic spending, just so things remain affordable for me. Other cards I just don't like running as much, for example Cathars' Crusade I just find a pain to keep track of and just choose not to run it.
I looked at ISBPathfinders Low Mana Curve Buidl and it looked really nice. I will just buy from time to time new cards. Most of the creature Cards, from both lists, I already have (I'm playing a fun modern vampire deck). I have to upgrade the instants, enchantments and lands of my deck. I also have a wb aristocrat modern deck - you see I still try a lot of different styles.
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Which list of this threat is your current one?
The one from page 1?
But I think I will buy atleast Purphoros, even if I don't like him in this deck I can use him somewhere else - I think I still have krenko -, and some of the cheaper tutors. Could someone explain Necropotence to me? The only important abilty for this deck is the last one, right? I can't see why I would use the second one in this deck.
I keep my original post up to date with my current list. The vampires themselves tend to be fairly cheap to get your hands on. I would say if I were to start putting money into it I would start with the vampires and the draw as I think those are two places you will get a lot of return from upfront. The gods, tutors, and a good landbase are all a little harder to do but I think you will still get a good feel of what the goal is starting with vamps and draw.
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Yeah I'm curious how Aggravated Assault has been doing for you as well. I used to run it with Sword of Feast and Famine but my problem with the setup was it cost too much mana for no immediate impact usually because I didn't have the necessary evasion.
I don't think the deck can abuse Sword of Feast and Famine, so I haven't included it. I like Sword of the Animist for the ramp and deck thinning.
Mid-Tier: Marchesa Aggro Rose Asmadi Get Dire Tymna Ikra Woke Women Tiana Aura Angel Ruric Thar SMASH Smasher Kraum Mana Positivity Zur Slides
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1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Blood Crypt
1 Opal Palace
1 Swamp
Swamp for Blood Crypt is just to improve the mana base.
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1 The Immortal Sun
1 Crib Swap
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1 Minions' Murmurs
1 Harsh Mercy
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1 Kheru Mind-Eater
1 The Immortal Sun
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1 Twilight Prophet
1 Dusk // Dawn
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1 Oversold Cemetery
1 Bloodline Keeper
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Aggravated Assault
1 Kheru Mind-Eater
1 Mirror Entity
1 Volrath's Stronghold
Bloodline Keeper generates bodies, has evasion and is a large anthem for the majority of the bodies I run. Kheru was always a place holder when it got back in.
Mirror Entity has always made me happy in making a body, I very rarely wanted to go tall with this deck: just keep going wider on my opponents. Luminarch Ascension is a game ender with low opportunity cost, low mana and high efficiency. I'll give it a test.
Didn't have time for Volrath's and I didn't like the colorless, added a Shockland to improve the manabase.
As far as I see it now, this is the best the deck's going to be until they print something that really shakes up my list - aside from random tinkering.
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1 Dark Tutelage
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1 Oversold Cemetery
1 Smoldering Marsh
Oversold Cemetery was also too slow, dependant on certain setups. Dark Tutelage is a draw engine that's type agnostic; hopefully I won't be trashed too many times from drawing a high CMC card. Unlikely due to the low curve, but who knows?
Due to the nature of the deck and how it is supposed to come out swinging, I am becoming less and less tolerant of ETBT Lands. Cairns' price bottomed out with the 25 Printing; right now, I'm hoping for Fetid Heath to drop more before I pick them up.
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1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Austere Command
1 Fetid Heath
1 Vampire Nighthawk
1 Soltari Champion
1 Mortify
1 Windbrisk Heights
Vampiric Tutor is the same uber efficency that Soltari Champion doesn't quite provide. His requirement to be swinging to give the boost really hampers my team.
I was looking at ISBPathfinder's decklist and I just couldn't figure out why he had Austere Command. I then double checked and realized it was off of CMC, with how low my guys go, this suddenly seemed like a no brainer. Mortify, a single target removal for an Enchantment or Creature became my obvious pick for a flex Creature/Noncreature spot removal slot.
Windbrisk Heights' utility is not worth the ETBT nature, so with Fetid Heath I figure my starts will be less hampered.
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Austere for big creatures is nice but its also that I just didn't really have much to sweep out artifacts and enchantments. Having a single sweeper option in the list as well gives your tutors some toolboxing options too. I run quite a bit of tutors in my list in part because of how powerful Necropotence is and normally speaking my tutor priority tends to be power draw > flashy bomb > answer (unless a flashy bomb ends the game) but in the case that someone shuts down my gameplan then tutoring for an answer is sometimes needed. I justify it given the combination of reasons given I can potentially one sided sweep a bunch of stuff out and it opens my tutors up a little more and gives me more options in a pinch.
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1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Rugged Prairie
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Gemstone Caverns
1 Legion's Landing
1 Clifftop Retreat
1 Swamp
1 Dragonskull Summit
I cut Clifftop and Dragonskull because of their potential ETBT nature. Swamp for Urborg is practically a strict upgrade. The Gemstone Cavern will help this deck perform in the tempo game.
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Unclaimed Territory, Westvale Abbey, Legion's Landing, Metallic Mimic, Legion Lieutenant, Adaptive Automaton, Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle, Anointed Procession, Sanctum Seeker, Bishop of the Bloodstained, Coat of Arms, and Vanquisher's Banner
welcome to any other cheap suggestions. Would also like to know what like win the game sac outlet combo I could include in this that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
Depending on whether you want to stick on theme or not will inform your choices of cheap ways to close out the game. For example, I use Hanweir Garrison and Mardu Ascendancy to pump out cheap bodies to go wide. I believe both cards are inexpensive and they're complete bonkers. Ogre Battledriver is also nuts at quickly killing and I think he's under 50 cents. If you want to go in-theme, another inexpensive way to kill the table after some luck is Kheru Bloodsucker, who kind of demands other Vampiric Anthems like Stensia Masquerade and Rakish Heir. With the Bloodsucker and a little bit of pump, I've had players accidentally lose the game Wrathing due to him draining out the table.
Personally, I would stay away from some big finisher. Instead, cram as much card draw as you can afford in this deck and just keep putting pressure on the board, immediately rebuilding after each wipe. Even if it isn't beloved, Outpost Siege and Stromkirk Occultist still 'draw' you cards. As for some of the real stand outs that I haven't mentioned before:Reconnaisance is amazing, though it has spiked lately. Smuggler's Copter is a fine way to keep drawing, even if it is off theme but I believe it's pretty cheap compared to when it wasn't banned in Standard. Dark Prophecy is also grand and inexpensive but then it requires an amazing mana base to support that triple Black. Blood Seeker makes them lose the defense game.
As for you list, I am not a fan of Coat of Arms because it is such a headache to figure out. Bishop of the Bloodstained might disappoint once you start fine tuning the deck, plus there's always competition with Gray Merchant of Asphodel. Depending on your build, Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle may be solid or ineffective. I think Anointed Procession is a winmore; you need to keep putting pressure on the board, anything that gives your opponents breathing room has to be absurdly good.
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1 Land Tax
1 Swamp
1 Arguel's Blood Fast
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
With the creation of my Tymna Tana Blood Pod deck, they needed the Urborg more than Edgar. The Swamp goes back in.
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I would suggest buying the Precon and upgrading things as you. If you look through my Changelog, I've made quite a few changes to the deck over the year. You might find that you want to put more token spam than even I run, or you want to go tall with bulky Vampires with Aristocrat support. I've even seen Madness builds supported by cards like Tortured Existence to just keep the Vampire spam going.
I like very aggressive decks when it comes to Aggro and it is fun trying to kill the board before they stabilize and kill you. So, I have fun with the deck, especially if you're fine with killing one player but acknowledging you probably won't win the game. I hope that answered your questions and calmed any concerns.
As for changes:
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Dark Tutelage
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Luxury Suite is going to make its way to this deck eventually, I am just not in a rush to upgrade this deck. I do think Tainted Peak and Tainted Field might be better, depending on whether you have a lot of Swamps in your build. Dragonskull Summit is also pretty cheap and has been reprinted into the ground, you might be able to trade for it easily. There is also the Theros block Temples. If you're serious about aggression, you wouldn't want to use them but depending on your build they might be fine.
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Personally, I don't think Panharmonicon and Strionic Resonator are worth it. Any time you are not playing a Creature to put pressure on the board, that card has to be amazing. Purphoros is worth taking a turn off of putting pressure because he'll give you so much more reach, Necropotence is worth taking a turn off because it'll refill your hand. Sometimes you need to make do with your budget, so I have something like Phyrexian Arena to draw me cards instead of Ad Nauseam. I think you can do better with budget options over Panharmonicon and Strionic.
This is also why I don't run Anointed Procession; it may double the tokens I make but it gives my opponents breathing room. I rather have them playing answers than having a turn to breathe to develop their board. This deck cannot win a marathon, so it needs to kill the table before they hit their stride by sprinting to victory.
This doesn't mean these cards are bad or you shouldn't use them. I just wouldn't use them for my build. I am going super low-to-the-ground Aggro, but if you went with a different strategy these cards might be amazing. For example, an 'Aristocrat' build. Aristocrats is slang for Creatures that get a benefit for Sacrificing Creatures. Suddenly, Panharmonicon and Procession become great for token making, as your Creatures feed off of your own Vampires. So that's also why I wouldn't consider Conspiracy. It gives my opponents breathing room by casting a non-threat for not much of a benefit for my strategy. I am already one of the 'taller' fast Edgar aggro decks, in that my stuff costs more than other builds like ISBPathfinder's Edgar. I can't really afford adding more high converted mana cost cards to this deck without having to completely change my strategy.
Blade of the Bloodchief is a fun card, but it focuses my damage onto one particular Creature. This makes it easier to stop my deck because out of 15 damage attacking, they can block 7 of it from one Creature, as an example. I run Land Tax because it effectively lets me draw 9 cards. He who draws most tends to win, so it is a one mana card that will draw me and also fix my mana. I run Sword of the Animist because it is Ramp, it gets me ahead of my opponents which lets me spam more Vampires.
I hope this answers all of your questions.
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There are generally speaking two reasons why most edgar decks that stick arround go with cheap fast swarms of vampires. Most of us did in fact start with the big clunky vamps but through deck testing and talking to each other we saw more reason to go with a low curve and swarm tactic. Those reasons tend to be:
Edgar gives two big reasons to cast cheap little vampires over big chunky vampires in that he gives a lot more support in playing lots of small things rather than a few big things. Obviously the concern with playing a lot of little things comes back to playing the correct amount of draw to keep the deck moving otherwise obviously you will run out of resources. I constantly tell people in my build that I run a TON of tutors so that I can go and get Necropotence as its one of the most insane ways in which to play a full hand of cards every turn.
You will see with many veteran Edgar Markov players that moving to a lower curve and faster smaller vampires is the way to go in part because that is where the synergy of the commander is at.
Side Note: Panharmonicon is winmore here because so few of our creatures have ETB effects, sure it would be sweet with Purphoros but sticking him is going to lead to a good result anyways.
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With that said, it is possible to go with what you have. Put them in your deck, buy other things. As you play, you should take note of cards that disappointed you or weren't as good. It is possible to build something else that will impress others, or you can design something totally new. For example, if I wanted to go bulky Vampires, I would go with a psuedo-Aristocrat build. I'd use cards like Martyr's Cause or Fanatical Devotion to protect my bulky Vampires, as they come with built-in tokens. I would Control the board with cards like Attrition and Goblin Bombardment. I would push Edgar to a Midrange Build over this Aggro Build. Play with what you got and over time you get to improve it. You could go with an Enchantress-style of Edgar, I guarantee you that's a unique path and it sounds like you're committed to that.
I don't know why others chose to make their Edgar the way they did, I just wanted another swarm style deck because I have enough Midrange-style decks that I wanted something different. EDH, I find, is about expressing yourself through deckbuilding except at the higher tiers of the game where efficiency is required above all else. Make your own deck, come to your own conclusions. Enjoy the ride.
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The deck I run still has Anointed Procession as a result from its previous iterations for example, while some cards I left out just to be kinder to my wallet. Especially seeing I have allocated a monthly budget to my Magic spending, just so things remain affordable for me. Other cards I just don't like running as much, for example Cathars' Crusade I just find a pain to keep track of and just choose not to run it.
I keep my original post up to date with my current list. The vampires themselves tend to be fairly cheap to get your hands on. I would say if I were to start putting money into it I would start with the vampires and the draw as I think those are two places you will get a lot of return from upfront. The gods, tutors, and a good landbase are all a little harder to do but I think you will still get a good feel of what the goal is starting with vamps and draw.
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