I just wanted to post this because I am a long time modern player. I always made decks and had fun. I thought legacy was a dying format and that there was no point because speculaters and the mtg finance crew was making prices untenable. I had this odd longing to try it though. I just loved the wonky art the fun cards from my childhood (I started in Ice Age and was obsessed with "gold cards" but my mom unfortunately threw my collection away during a long haetus while I was at school). I have to say boy am I glad I let nostalgia take hold. I built DnT since I had some of the cards and had a blast with the crazy aether vial interactions. Not to mention it was the cheapest deck. However within the last few weeks I started to realize I should be investing in reserved list cards. I had a lot of miracles stuff since I played it in modern. I had to buy some of the cheap stuff and hunker down and buy the tundras and FoWs. I played my first miracles casual tourney Monday. I went 0-1-2 but hell did I have fun. I am still learning but I plan to sell all my modern stuff and be only a legacy player. At my lgs there were actually as many legacy players as modern but who knew! Anyway I just wanted to share my excitement and hopefully people have similar stories to mine. Much love all!
It sucks when parents do things like this. I remember years ago, I have a small case of GIJoe/Star Wars action figure weapons. And my mother decided to evenly split my weapon collection to my cousins for play. I didn't want to but I couldn't do anything about it. In the end I lost most of my weapons that day.
Sure my toy weapons was nothing like magic cards but it told me that Parents just don't understand.
I started playing Magic when I was in my mid 20's, back in 1996. If I realized the cost of dual's I would had bought a 2nd/3rd and maybe a 4th playset. I only have 1 playset of each well except for Scrubland & Bayou - I have 1 of each of them. On the other hand, if my friends realized the cost of the game, they wouldn't sell all their cards. Usually we play proxies.
My best deck is a burn deck with a splash of black for 3 Shriekmaw just in case for cards like Iona, Shield of Emeria and such annoyances...
I have a budget solidarity (resethigh tide) deck thats basically tier 3 especially in this meta, but it’s amazingly funny to play.
But yea the nice thing about legacy is that you can basically play anything you want.. almost anything is viable, as long as you have the skill to pilot it.
I would say that the number 1 obstacle for people is paying the price to get into it. I wish that Wizards would do something about that, even if my duals tank a bit. I wouldn't mind them being worth 50% of what they are now if there are more Legacy players.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I am playing legacy burn now and really enjoying it. Even went 4-1 in an eternal weekend qualifier, just barely missed getting a bye so I skipped the main event. Modern is getting so expensive now, unless UMA really changes the game in that regard, that there are plenty of viable legacy decks for a similar price as a modern deck. I'm working on getting chalices, forces, and other non-RL staples before I consider any dual lands or other $100+ cards. Even those purchase have been very slow.
The other problem is finding people to play with. As all my friends are only Modern or EDH players. It's not fun owning a Legacy deck, if I can only goldfish with it. This obstacle is what made me eventually lose hope, sell out legacy staples and join the Modern bandwagon.
Magic Online is your best bet for Legacy if you don't have a good local scene. It's also not shackled by the reserve list, so prices are significantly lower than in paper.
Hmmm, legacy’s price issues seems to be affecting a lot of players the same way. I am a long time legacy player, I love the format. In my small group of friends, we play strictly legacy but we all have budgets. None of us have decks that can “go off” on turn 1 or 2, it’s a lot of fun. No one clan afford FoW or legit dual lands. And even if we could, we wouldn’t.
I feel like legacy’s prices are separating and pushing out a lot of would be legacy players. A lot of people are scared to even enter the format because of the prices. That’s sad. The legacy scene around me is pretty rough. 4-5 guys at my LGS have very expensive legacy decks. The “casual/budget” legacy player just can’t compete with that... usually.
Hmmm, legacy’s price issues seems to be affecting a lot of players the same way. I am a long time legacy player, I love the format. In my small group of friends, we play strictly legacy but we all have budgets. None of us have decks that can “go off” on turn 1 or 2, it’s a lot of fun. No one clan afford FoW or legit dual lands. And even if we could, we wouldn’t.
I feel like legacy’s prices are separating and pushing out a lot of would be legacy players. A lot of people are scared to even enter the format because of the prices. That’s sad. The legacy scene around me is pretty rough. 4-5 guys at my LGS have very expensive legacy decks. The “casual/budget” legacy player just can’t compete with that... usually.
There are two kind of magic players. (Not Timmy/Spike made up magic crap!)
Type 1 - Casual/Kitchen table Players
Type 2 - Professional Players
Please note that 90% of the magic playing community is the type 1 player. Type 1 player. We love the game, we play for fun and mostly with our friends. So we don't need real magic cards to play with friends.
Type 2 player are aiming to professionalism. They want to be a pro player, they are looking to be ranked, and they mostly play in tournaments. They go to cardshops and play the best of the best and they are playing magic 2 to 3 times a week. Yes, they are seen as Spikes, but that's because these players want wins. Because they are so focused in playing in tournaments, they have to play with the real magic cards!
To be honest, legacy being an expensive format is a bit overrated. It really isn't as expensive as people think it is. The thing is, the value of the cards in most legacy decks are pretty stable, so it's not like you're going to need to invest all that much into it year by year.
When you have 1 complete deck, it's generally not very expensive to shift into another deck that shares pieces. UW stone blade into miracles isn't going to be all that expensive, for example. Also, the meta in legacy doesn't shift all that much - it's a format that rewards deck specialists, and good knowledge of the format. That basically means that i don't need to go about chasing all the rares and mythic of the most recent set; only the cards that can actually fit in my decks. in that way, it's a very small monetary investment on a yearly basis.
To be honest, legacy being an expensive format is a bit overrated. It really isn't as expensive as people think it is. The thing is, the value of the cards in most legacy decks are pretty stable, so it's not like you're going to need to invest all that much into it year by year.
When you have 1 complete deck, it's generally not very expensive to shift into another deck that shares pieces. UW stone blade into miracles isn't going to be all that expensive, for example. Also, the meta in legacy doesn't shift all that much - it's a format that rewards deck specialists, and good knowledge of the format. That basically means that i don't need to go about chasing all the rares and mythic of the most recent set; only the cards that can actually fit in my decks. in that way, it's a very small monetary investment on a yearly basis.
To be fair, if I was going to try to get into Legacy at today's prices compared to when I got in during my college days, I wouldn't do it. My manabase alone would be more than what I spent to build the entirely of my Landstill deck ~2009-2010, and it took me a year and a half to fully complete it. Granted, it took a decade to reach those prices, but it does demonstrate that the monetary barrier to entry has only risen.
That being said, I agree 100% that it isn't too bad moving from one deck to another, provided you have the "core" cards of a given color/archetype, and the deck you want to move into shares that color.
There are two kind of magic players. (Not Timmy/Spike made up magic crap!)
Type 1 - Casual/Kitchen table Players
Type 2 - Professional Players
Please note that 90% of the magic playing community is the type 1 player. Type 1 player. We love the game, we play for fun and mostly with our friends. So we don't need real magic cards to play with friends.
Type 2 player are aiming to professionalism. They want to be a pro player, they are looking to be ranked, and they mostly play in tournaments. They go to cardshops and play the best of the best and they are playing magic 2 to 3 times a week. Yes, they are seen as Spikes, but that's because these players want wins. Because they are so focused in playing in tournaments, they have to play with the real magic cards!
That's a pretty broad brush and I feel like you're downplaying the abundance of one, and upselling the presence of another. If we're going to use a Bell curve, I'd think that most of us fall somewhere in the middle between your "kitchen table/fun-only" types and your "tournament grinder" types. Let's not kid ourselves, everyone loves winning. And the first thing a lot of us do when we get into this game and buy our first pre-con, is ask ourselves, "What cards are 'better'? What is new, unique, fun, interesting, or weird?"
And if you're lucky enough to get into the game with a group of friends, you start making multiple decks and you automatically know which ones are "for fun" and which ones are "serious". Thing is, they all use "real Magic cards" and there's no right or wrong to get into the format, or the game as a whole.
Hmmm, legacy’s price issues seems to be affecting a lot of players the same way. I am a long time legacy player, I love the format. In my small group of friends, we play strictly legacy but we all have budgets. None of us have decks that can “go off” on turn 1 or 2, it’s a lot of fun. No one clan afford FoW or legit dual lands. And even if we could, we wouldn’t.
I feel like legacy’s prices are separating and pushing out a lot of would be legacy players. A lot of people are scared to even enter the format because of the prices. That’s sad. The legacy scene around me is pretty rough. 4-5 guys at my LGS have very expensive legacy decks. The “casual/budget” legacy player just can’t compete with that... usually.
After looking at today's prices, I couldn't agree more. That being said, good on you and your friends for keeping on playing Legacy; players like you are what keep the format alive.
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It sucks when parents do things like this. I remember years ago, I have a small case of GIJoe/Star Wars action figure weapons. And my mother decided to evenly split my weapon collection to my cousins for play. I didn't want to but I couldn't do anything about it. In the end I lost most of my weapons that day.
Sure my toy weapons was nothing like magic cards but it told me that Parents just don't understand.
I started playing Magic when I was in my mid 20's, back in 1996. If I realized the cost of dual's I would had bought a 2nd/3rd and maybe a 4th playset. I only have 1 playset of each well except for Scrubland & Bayou - I have 1 of each of them. On the other hand, if my friends realized the cost of the game, they wouldn't sell all their cards. Usually we play proxies.
My best deck is a burn deck with a splash of black for 3 Shriekmaw just in case for cards like Iona, Shield of Emeria and such annoyances...
I have a budget solidarity (reset high tide) deck thats basically tier 3 especially in this meta, but it’s amazingly funny to play.
But yea the nice thing about legacy is that you can basically play anything you want.. almost anything is viable, as long as you have the skill to pilot it.
Legacy - Solidarity - mono U aggro - burn - Imperial Painter - Strawberry Shortcake - Bluuzards - bom
I would say that the number 1 obstacle for people is paying the price to get into it. I wish that Wizards would do something about that, even if my duals tank a bit. I wouldn't mind them being worth 50% of what they are now if there are more Legacy players.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
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So have I, and it happens to be... Modern! Also EDH, and Highlander actually (this one scratches my ‘Legacy itch’ just fine.)
Tried Legacy for a while (and yeah, I have almost all the cards I would ever need for that), but didn’t enjoy it much.
Anyway, all the best for your Legacy future.
Magic Online is your best bet for Legacy if you don't have a good local scene. It's also not shackled by the reserve list, so prices are significantly lower than in paper.
I feel like legacy’s prices are separating and pushing out a lot of would be legacy players. A lot of people are scared to even enter the format because of the prices. That’s sad. The legacy scene around me is pretty rough. 4-5 guys at my LGS have very expensive legacy decks. The “casual/budget” legacy player just can’t compete with that... usually.
There are two kind of magic players. (Not Timmy/Spike made up magic crap!)
Type 1 - Casual/Kitchen table Players
Type 2 - Professional Players
Please note that 90% of the magic playing community is the type 1 player. Type 1 player. We love the game, we play for fun and mostly with our friends. So we don't need real magic cards to play with friends.
Type 2 player are aiming to professionalism. They want to be a pro player, they are looking to be ranked, and they mostly play in tournaments. They go to cardshops and play the best of the best and they are playing magic 2 to 3 times a week. Yes, they are seen as Spikes, but that's because these players want wins. Because they are so focused in playing in tournaments, they have to play with the real magic cards!
When you have 1 complete deck, it's generally not very expensive to shift into another deck that shares pieces. UW stone blade into miracles isn't going to be all that expensive, for example. Also, the meta in legacy doesn't shift all that much - it's a format that rewards deck specialists, and good knowledge of the format. That basically means that i don't need to go about chasing all the rares and mythic of the most recent set; only the cards that can actually fit in my decks. in that way, it's a very small monetary investment on a yearly basis.
Legacy - Solidarity - mono U aggro - burn - Imperial Painter - Strawberry Shortcake - Bluuzards - bom
To be fair, if I was going to try to get into Legacy at today's prices compared to when I got in during my college days, I wouldn't do it. My manabase alone would be more than what I spent to build the entirely of my Landstill deck ~2009-2010, and it took me a year and a half to fully complete it. Granted, it took a decade to reach those prices, but it does demonstrate that the monetary barrier to entry has only risen.
That being said, I agree 100% that it isn't too bad moving from one deck to another, provided you have the "core" cards of a given color/archetype, and the deck you want to move into shares that color.
That's a pretty broad brush and I feel like you're downplaying the abundance of one, and upselling the presence of another. If we're going to use a Bell curve, I'd think that most of us fall somewhere in the middle between your "kitchen table/fun-only" types and your "tournament grinder" types. Let's not kid ourselves, everyone loves winning. And the first thing a lot of us do when we get into this game and buy our first pre-con, is ask ourselves, "What cards are 'better'? What is new, unique, fun, interesting, or weird?"
And if you're lucky enough to get into the game with a group of friends, you start making multiple decks and you automatically know which ones are "for fun" and which ones are "serious". Thing is, they all use "real Magic cards" and there's no right or wrong to get into the format, or the game as a whole.
After looking at today's prices, I couldn't agree more. That being said, good on you and your friends for keeping on playing Legacy; players like you are what keep the format alive.
UWR Landstill
R Burn