The Trinity Manifesto is a grass roots movement to adjust the Legacy rules to a 3 card limit. There's an elaborate rationale behind this, but the goal is to give more cards the opportunity to be played while reducing the entry barrier to the format. It's the first real solution to the Reserved List supported to by players.Based on the economic calculations used to build up the arguments for the Trinity Manifesto, Legacy should be 40% more expensive than Trinity. All this without ruining existing decks.
I'm posting this because, now that SCG has stopped supporting Legacy, it's a good time for introspection and format innovation. I'd like to invite you all to absorb the information, discuss, critique, build decks, play or organize a small Trinity tournament if you like it.
THis sounds like a good idea, but legacy isn't dead yet. if anything, it's a format that's gonna have more legs than modern or pioneer on the long run. Legacy is a community-run format. It's based off sound and non-arbitrary rules (unlike modern and pioneer). It allows us to play with the oldest cards in the game. the players who play legacy will continue to play legacy regardless of SCG or wotc support, because they are legacy players.
On the long run, i guess modern will be replaced by pioneer. It's cheaper to get into, it also has a arbitrarily set card pool. Legacy is just as broken as modern is, except that modern doesn't have the hate that legacy has access to. That's what makes legacy special, and modern not as fun to play.
I think trinity sounds like it would have been great community driven format, but i think the traction would be the hardest thing to get started. Good luck with the project though! It would be great to see it succeed!
This is intended to supplement legacy. If there is organic interest in the format, if players believe this offers them a more engaging play environment than legacy, it might one day become more dominant, but this is neither the goal nor the expectation. I believe that formats need to be carried by the community in order to succeed. Here are two example lists so you get a little bit of a feel for what it's like
DEATH & TAXES
24 Land
3 Cavern of Souls
3 Wasteland
3 Rishadan Port
3 Ghost Quarter
2 Karakas
10 Plains
3 Aether Vial
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Path to Exile
3 Mother of Runes
2 Giver of Runes
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Flickerwisp
3 Recruiter of the Guard
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Remorseful Cleric
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Palace Jailer
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Tomik, Distinguished Advokist
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
As you can see, archetypes are preserved but it gives a bit more room for other outclassed cards to compete and offeers a cheaper onramp as compared to legacy.
I think there are many flaws in your reasoning.
The volume of players needed to flood the market with those “extra” fourth copies to actually have any effect on the market, is astronomical. Most of those copies would either end up in binders or in Commander decks. Sure some would end up back the market, but would there really be any price difference. Wouldn’t the competition from Commander still keep the prices up.
One of the biggest expenses getting into Legacy is the mana base. But most Legacy decks are not running four copies of each Dual Land or Fetch, most are running 2 to 3 copies each.
The barrier for new players getting into Legacy is price, not availability. You can go to most major on-line card slingers and get what you’d need for a deck. You might have to shop between two or three vendors.
I don’t believe your “math” bares out in the real world. For all your ideal speculation to take place, it would require universal adoption and compliance. That just doesn’t seem realistic.
In your manifesto you mentioned legalizing Collectors Edition. I don’t see what staples to the format this would bring except Dual Lands. Between all ten different Duals, CE/IE print run total is 140,000 give or take. The Old School 93/94 community has gobbled up the lion’s share of these. So between a small print run, and serious competition from another format, legalizing CE/IE cards accomplishes little to nothing. You’re better off allowing proxies.
While allowing for more deck diversity, those extra deck slots aren’t going to just get filled in with random jank. People will find the best cards to add in to accomplish their deck’s goal. Which makes me think that as a cost saver, your idea is questionable at best.
It sounds like it could be a fun format, but as a salvation for Legacy, not so much.
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I'm posting this because, now that SCG has stopped supporting Legacy, it's a good time for introspection and format innovation. I'd like to invite you all to absorb the information, discuss, critique, build decks, play or organize a small Trinity tournament if you like it.
Here's the manifesto: https://www.mtgtrinity.com/
On the long run, i guess modern will be replaced by pioneer. It's cheaper to get into, it also has a arbitrarily set card pool. Legacy is just as broken as modern is, except that modern doesn't have the hate that legacy has access to. That's what makes legacy special, and modern not as fun to play.
I think trinity sounds like it would have been great community driven format, but i think the traction would be the hardest thing to get started. Good luck with the project though! It would be great to see it succeed!
Legacy - Solidarity - mono U aggro - burn - Imperial Painter - Strawberry Shortcake - Bluuzards - bom
REANIMATOR
Creatures (10)
3 Hapless Researcher
3 Griselbrand
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Tidesprout Tyrant
1 Gin Gitaxias, Core Augur
Spells (29)
3 Force of Will
3 Daze
3 Entomb
3 Brainstorm
3 Ponder
3 Preordain
3 Careful Study
2 Thoughtseize
3 Reanimate
3 Exhume
Other (6)
3 Lotus Petal
3 Animate Dead
Lands (15)
3 Polluted Delta
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
1 Island
1 Swamp
DEATH & TAXES
24 Land
3 Cavern of Souls
3 Wasteland
3 Rishadan Port
3 Ghost Quarter
2 Karakas
10 Plains
3 Aether Vial
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Path to Exile
3 Mother of Runes
2 Giver of Runes
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Flickerwisp
3 Recruiter of the Guard
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Remorseful Cleric
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Palace Jailer
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Tomik, Distinguished Advokist
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
As you can see, archetypes are preserved but it gives a bit more room for other outclassed cards to compete and offeers a cheaper onramp as compared to legacy.
The volume of players needed to flood the market with those “extra” fourth copies to actually have any effect on the market, is astronomical. Most of those copies would either end up in binders or in Commander decks. Sure some would end up back the market, but would there really be any price difference. Wouldn’t the competition from Commander still keep the prices up.
One of the biggest expenses getting into Legacy is the mana base. But most Legacy decks are not running four copies of each Dual Land or Fetch, most are running 2 to 3 copies each.
The barrier for new players getting into Legacy is price, not availability. You can go to most major on-line card slingers and get what you’d need for a deck. You might have to shop between two or three vendors.
I don’t believe your “math” bares out in the real world. For all your ideal speculation to take place, it would require universal adoption and compliance. That just doesn’t seem realistic.
In your manifesto you mentioned legalizing Collectors Edition. I don’t see what staples to the format this would bring except Dual Lands. Between all ten different Duals, CE/IE print run total is 140,000 give or take. The Old School 93/94 community has gobbled up the lion’s share of these. So between a small print run, and serious competition from another format, legalizing CE/IE cards accomplishes little to nothing. You’re better off allowing proxies.
While allowing for more deck diversity, those extra deck slots aren’t going to just get filled in with random jank. People will find the best cards to add in to accomplish their deck’s goal. Which makes me think that as a cost saver, your idea is questionable at best.
It sounds like it could be a fun format, but as a salvation for Legacy, not so much.