No. 3 sphere and thorn effects can only be ignored by delve and convoke. The reason that 3 sphere doesn't notice delve/convoke is because it's a replacement of how mana is paid. As for alternate costs like force, pyrokinesis, daze you aren't paying mana at all so 3sphere says hey, pay 3 for that. Thorn effects do effect delve and convoke as you have to delve or convoke 1 extra per thorn effect. Phyrexian mana is similar to alternate costs as the mana is paid or life is paid, it too is affected by 3sphere as it is an alternate way to pay for a spell rather than a replacement for mana.
Kind of why we play 3sphere, it must be countered or force of will= 3cc plus remove a blue card, play a life. I use 2 3 sphere main, and one more to come in. 3 sphere used to do over delve too till they changed it. I love it in Pox too, of course and its great against show and tell omniscience decks.
On another note - I have gone to 3 elspeth main, and am now running an E tutor in the board, with a Sphere of Law and Zuran plus 4x Leylines and Timely for those burn matches. The Zuran comes in against most non combo decks, Timely does too against any tempo deck. The tension of having Chalice for 1 and E tutor in hand is not as great as I thought, given the rate at which Chalice's bite it.
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Ok, so now that I have my RG Lands finished for my major events, I need my off-the-wall-show-you-how-much-you-hate-me list for local events.
I've always had a soft spot for prison builds (Stax, Prison Pox, etc). Which brings me back to my roots in Stax. I played humility Stax for a while and loved it. But I have a new idea.
I want to build GW Stax. For 1 card in particular. Tireless Tracker
It does all the things I want. Card advantage, gets big, beats, etc. And conveniently, when you play a land he generates a clue. That clue can be sacrificed to draw a card, or you can sacrifice it to Smokestack. The great part - when you sacrifice a clue, he gets bigger. Even if you sacrifice it to Smokestack.
So I'm coming to you guys - the others who love to watch people squirm under their own impending doom. let's put together a Tireless Tracker Stax list. It can be WG, mono green... I don't really care.
Feel free to PM and if we want to start a new thread for it, I'm cool.
Ok, so now that I have my RG Lands finished for my major events, I need my off-the-wall-show-you-how-much-you-hate-me list for local events.
I've always had a soft spot for prison builds (Stax, Prison Pox, etc). Which brings me back to my roots in Stax. I played humility Stax for a while and loved it. But I have a new idea.
I want to build GW Stax. For 1 card in particular. Tireless Tracker
It does all the things I want. Card advantage, gets big, beats, etc. And conveniently, when you play a land he generates a clue. That clue can be sacrificed to draw a card, or you can sacrifice it to Smokestack. The great part - when you sacrifice a clue, he gets bigger. Even if you sacrifice it to Smokestack.
So I'm coming to you guys - the others who love to watch people squirm under their own impending doom. let's put together a Tireless Tracker Stax list. It can be WG, mono green... I don't really care.
Feel free to PM and if we want to start a new thread for it, I'm cool.
Asceticism could easily be something else. I wanted something to protect our creatures from removal in the event Chalice doesn't happen. Potentially could just ignore that and use those 2 slots for something else relevant. Could just be Sundial of the Infinite since we have the 4 Stax.
Garruk and elespeth can pump out tokens to get the most out of smokestack
Azusa alongside horizon canopy and crucible means we can easily build a huge tracker, while having access to additional card draw aside from clues.
Fetchlands could easily replace the wildwoods and a plains or 2 if you felt you wanted it. Could be better alongside tracker for the extra trigger.
I think Titania could do some serious lifting here- I use it in Trinichoke. Bringing back fetches or wastelands, making a free 5/3 and the clues to boot.......
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G1 - T1 Chalice did enough after he mulled to 5.
G2- I mulled to 5 took a mana free hand with a chalice and maze and drew no land.
G2 T1 Peacekeeper got countered. Humilty ditto. Got an elspeth but died to a shround 7 power trampler for lethal, he played around Karakas and kept iona in deck..
R2 Beat RU delver 2-0
G1 got chalice down, got battrskull down and ghostly. He tapped batterskull token but could not get the last 3 in.
G2 was closer. T0 double Leyline. I hid behind a late Ghostly, aftr having had stuff countered, I laid Chalice on Two (!) to avoid Smash to Smithereens as Bolt is unable to target me. I went to 1 life to cast Geddon. I won as Timely from the board came out 6 turns later after I wasted his next land drop.
R3 Beat Spiral 2-1
G1 Chalice on 1 turn 1, should have lost as I got the chance for a second chalice and set it to 1 and not two. Got lucky as 3 sphere saved me.
G2 did not lay 3sphere till t3, when it was countered and I duely lost.
G3 got down Chalice t2 after E Tutor t1, t0 Leyline, and eventually Chalice no 2 this time on 2 and Rule of Law.
I am changing the deck slightly +1 chrome mox for the third O ring slot leaving 1 blinding and 1 oring. Fed up with ww being so hard for Elspeth and moat. It allows me to play my 3 Geddons more aggressively with 5 moxen. I am also adding back the Grafdigger's to the board as it should never have left- with the E tutor it does not work with Chalice for 1, but it is another t1 play for the matches where it is relevant.
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Whilst I am sad that Stax has been moved, but it is fair enough I suppose given its percentages.
I think the deck occurs almost as much as Enchantress or Pox though, so I am surprised they made the cut.
I think that currently traditional Smokestack builds are hard to pull off, although they are decent against Miracles. We have had so little for so long, although Thought-knot seer helps the archetype, as do Spatial Contortion (teeg killer!) and Wail as board cards. But in general the deck has little love from recent sets. That does not mean the deck has gotten worse as meta changes may benefit the deck. I think the rise of Eldrazi-Shops decks makes Stax a lot better as Moat and Humility are so good against them and Wastelocks/Geddon work well if we run Taxes. I could not conceive of Armageddon being out of a current white Stax, although I also feel a BW stax could be there somewhere. I suppose it is fitting that most of my fave decks are in creation, whilst I also own a fair chunk of the Top decks in the format in Established I have less desire to play with them.
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Same here as far as being able to build most of the top tier decks. I believe pox maintained due to the fact it has more top 8s than stax over the last year or so as does enchantress. I may be testing my bw variant for a while again as well as my rw version. I have a friend that fell in love with geddon stax and will be playing that regularly soon. We will regain our position in established legacy decks!
Had a quickie 3 rounder last night.
Wanted to persist with a zero Smokestack approach, trying out the Chrome Mox as mox no 5.
E tutor main x1.
R1
1-2 UR delver
Won R1 with Ghostly T1 and 2, finished the game with a reasonable life total and 3 sphere down+ Chalice.....
G2 I bought in a lot. 4 Leyline, Phyrexian Unlife, Zuran Orb, Timely Solemn Offering (its flexible life gain and Eidolon/Vortex kill- at a push I can use it on my stuff. I took an opening hand on the draw with Leyline, 1 land, E tutor and a Mox Diamond. Drew a non land and tutored for a Chrome Mox.
Hit Daze/Daze/Force on my next 3 plays after the mox. Lost with O ring two from the top
G3 I got into a strong position where I was safe if Vortex did not hit. It hit and I lost without drawing an out.
R 2 D n T
Its a bit of a bye as I used Tutor and assembled Humility/Moat game 1.
G2 I did the same and although he killed it I could spaltial contortion two flyers. Finished the game with Geddon/Tabernacle.
2-0
R3 Miracles- my miracles as it happens UWr.
G1 Force/Force on my key plays put me behind. The lock failed to materialise for him , I got some stuff down. Jace hit, he won despite me having an outpost to make soldiers.
G2 Similar to game 1. I did resolve a Geddon, and locked the board quite well with Chalice @1 and 2, 3 sphere too. His wear tear took out Leyline and Chalice, and Jace could ultimate.
Conclusion:
I keep losing periodically to UR delver or Burn despite winning G1 more than I should.
Batterskull has been doing not much, too often the Moat nonbo is problematical.
I have looked at the last 3-4 W Stax/geddon decks from big events over the past 3 years and noted a lot of 3s, and there is a lot of similarity with my current build. Ancient Den is an obvious card I should include as a Tutorable source though.
I also note they play Smokestacks, although as I have said it is often the weakest card against faster decks. I should probably put some back and just live with it against decks I am often beating already, as it is probably not going to lose me too many games and could well make positions harder to wriggle out from.
My issue have large been not against critter decks like Eldrazi, Nic-Fit and D n T- I keep beating them, and both decks in particular tend to tone down critter attack G2. Every change I make has been to reduce my anti critter stuff- 4 Ghostly to 3, for example. I am thinking just one Moat and a Tutor will be enough with 4 Humility and 3 Ghostly plus the 'geddon effects etc.
When I first met Eldrazi my Tanglewire BW build was always a bit short, but with mono-W the matches are much more favourable- it is a deck that is very vulnerable to Moat, Humility, Ghostly and especially Geddon. I think two moat was a bit of overreaction to that deck.
I have had lots of issues with my second Kjeldoran Outpost, and will have to cut it.
O ring i have gone down to two, and frankly I don't like it- 3 has served me well and I want to go back. Will post a list later....
A friend on mine played stax last night. My usual white list and went 3-2 with it. Good enough for 7th. He took out a batterskull and added an elspeth, sun's champion. I'm not sure how well it performed for him as he had a few matches where he wasn't able to get it on the table.
He beat 12 post. Geddon is super good, humility makes primeval titan pathetic.
He lost to sultai delver. Couldn't resolve key spells and I believe he boarded incorrectly. took out tangle wires, left in elspeth champion and smokestack. I believe the weakest cards in the match up.
He beat eldrazi. I believe a great match up.
Not sure what else he played. I think shardless bug? I think he lost. Maelstrom pulse is so good
That is good. Stax is not a deck to just pick up- single mistakes cost a lot more than forgiving decks like BUG.
The more I think about it the more I think that it should not be about trying to overcome Stax's weaknesses unless they print ore cards to slip in. We should be about playing to its strengths. It will always lose to itself, it will always lose when it gets mana screwed.
Our aim needs to be "reduce them to 1/2 relevant permanents", and sadly that means Smokestacks and 'geddons.
My list is now tweaked by 3/4 cards away from critter matches, a bit less anti critter enchantments, back to 3 O ring effects. A little less likely nonbo.
Really great write-ups, guys. I played Armageddon Stax eons ago and did a lot of playtesting, etc. Recently, I've come back to the archetype and I've played a little with some of the Dutch Stax lists, but really found the WW in the cost of all the key cards to be pretty brutal. That's also been my hang-up on Elspeth. Love the idea, but just can't get myself into a situation where I had the right mana when I needed to drop him. I also play exclusively online anymore and with the amount of Miracles you face, the heavy anti-creature package just wasn't working for me.
I've been playing this list to some success in tournament practice and the occasional 2-man queue...
I'm certainly open to ideas and am hoping that I will have some more time to play a bit more (online, of course) over the next couple of months. In the main deck, I think Golem is one of the weakest cards. He was ideal in Vintage Stax, but he comes off as win-more in this list. If he sticks, you'll win, but if he sticks, you were probably winning anyways. I also think that Smokestack is weak, especially if Pyromancer or Mentor is generating tokens, but it's about the best available for the effect. May be worth a sweeper in the side to strengthen it similar to how Armageddon does... As far as the side goes, I've found Suppression Field to be a great general answer to the current meta and Council's Judgment to be the only answer to True-Name Nemesis, but, again, I'm open to ideas...
Personally I still prefer Humility to Ghostly Prison for creature match ups. At the very least it is a better thing to drop off show and tell, which is very relevant.
Smokestack and Armageddon in creature match ups are best when you can follow up with a Tabernacle type effect to wipe the board of creatures since it essentially double taxes them. Especially if you want to go with the Ghostly Prison route. That means it takes 3 mana to keep a creature and attack with it. When you run things like Magus of the Tabernacle, which could be a good replacement for Lodestone Golem, it synergizes much better with Prison and since it has the wording of Sacrifice instead of Destroy, it can hit a Marit Lage.
The list is similar to one of the lists still on MTG top 8 of all places from Jan/Feb. It was a W stax list with TKS.
I also like Humility- Show and Tell is one reason, reanimator is another, and Eldrazi and D N T the last. Humility synergises with Ghostly well- 2 mana for 1 damage is a rough, rough deal. Ghostly on its own I find would be enough to keep tempo and aggro decks off your back if it lands, but is narrower than Humility that hurts all sorts of other decks.
If I was to drop humility I would go 4 TKS, he is a beast.
I think Magus is a wise call...he works in traditional lists with Geddon.
As you know I am a sceptic on Smokestack but have conceded some number is needed.
I think Runed Halo is a good catch all that deals with TNN, but is again WW. There is a -1-1 effect in white for non white critters but I would not play it. From The Dark I think.
On ww- yeah, always an issue. When you find yourself Wasting your Flagstones to get W with Crucible down you know something is up. I have tried to fix this with an E Tutor and Ancient Den, and am slighty more generous with Plains than some builds. There are super depletion lands and the Fallen Empire lands that tap for WW, the latter sac-ing for the double mana, the former maybe two uses before it goes. Both ar CIP tapped....(
On Miracles- it is a pig, you can get game one often but game two against their multitude of kill is hard. That said a potential board card is Null Broach. Stopping their lock up from happening is possible often, but stopping their Planeswalkers harder when they have so many O ring killers.
We maybe should be looking at the Sanitarium looting land in EMN.
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I was actually considering switching her for old thalia. It could be correct to just use her in place of magus or old thalia. I'll play around with both. It might even make sense to switch the queller for new thalia
Modern: WUBValue Titan UMerfolk WGDeath and Taxes
On another note - I have gone to 3 elspeth main, and am now running an E tutor in the board, with a Sphere of Law and Zuran plus 4x Leylines and Timely for those burn matches. The Zuran comes in against most non combo decks, Timely does too against any tempo deck. The tension of having Chalice for 1 and E tutor in hand is not as great as I thought, given the rate at which Chalice's bite it.
I've always had a soft spot for prison builds (Stax, Prison Pox, etc). Which brings me back to my roots in Stax. I played humility Stax for a while and loved it. But I have a new idea.
I want to build GW Stax. For 1 card in particular. Tireless Tracker
It does all the things I want. Card advantage, gets big, beats, etc. And conveniently, when you play a land he generates a clue. That clue can be sacrificed to draw a card, or you can sacrifice it to Smokestack. The great part - when you sacrifice a clue, he gets bigger. Even if you sacrifice it to Smokestack.
So I'm coming to you guys - the others who love to watch people squirm under their own impending doom. let's put together a Tireless Tracker Stax list. It can be WG, mono green... I don't really care.
Feel free to PM and if we want to start a new thread for it, I'm cool.
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Very rough draft here.
4 Flagstones of Trokair
2 Horizon Canopy
6 Plains
4 Savannah
2 Stirring Wildwood
4 Wasteland
2 Azusa, Lost but Seeking
4 Tireless Tracker
Spells
2 Asceticism
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Crucible of Worlds
4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Garruk Relentless
4 Mox Diamond
4 Smokestack
4 Tangle Wire
4 Trinisphere
Asceticism could easily be something else. I wanted something to protect our creatures from removal in the event Chalice doesn't happen. Potentially could just ignore that and use those 2 slots for something else relevant. Could just be Sundial of the Infinite since we have the 4 Stax.
Garruk and elespeth can pump out tokens to get the most out of smokestack
Azusa alongside horizon canopy and crucible means we can easily build a huge tracker, while having access to additional card draw aside from clues.
Fetchlands could easily replace the wildwoods and a plains or 2 if you felt you wanted it. Could be better alongside tracker for the extra trigger.
r1- lost 1-2 to reanimator
G1 - T1 Chalice did enough after he mulled to 5.
G2- I mulled to 5 took a mana free hand with a chalice and maze and drew no land.
G2 T1 Peacekeeper got countered. Humilty ditto. Got an elspeth but died to a shround 7 power trampler for lethal, he played around Karakas and kept iona in deck..
R2 Beat RU delver 2-0
G1 got chalice down, got battrskull down and ghostly. He tapped batterskull token but could not get the last 3 in.
G2 was closer. T0 double Leyline. I hid behind a late Ghostly, aftr having had stuff countered, I laid Chalice on Two (!) to avoid Smash to Smithereens as Bolt is unable to target me. I went to 1 life to cast Geddon. I won as Timely from the board came out 6 turns later after I wasted his next land drop.
R3 Beat Spiral 2-1
G1 Chalice on 1 turn 1, should have lost as I got the chance for a second chalice and set it to 1 and not two. Got lucky as 3 sphere saved me.
G2 did not lay 3sphere till t3, when it was countered and I duely lost.
G3 got down Chalice t2 after E Tutor t1, t0 Leyline, and eventually Chalice no 2 this time on 2 and Rule of Law.
I am changing the deck slightly +1 chrome mox for the third O ring slot leaving 1 blinding and 1 oring. Fed up with ww being so hard for Elspeth and moat. It allows me to play my 3 Geddons more aggressively with 5 moxen. I am also adding back the Grafdigger's to the board as it should never have left- with the E tutor it does not work with Chalice for 1, but it is another t1 play for the matches where it is relevant.
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I think the deck occurs almost as much as Enchantress or Pox though, so I am surprised they made the cut.
I think that currently traditional Smokestack builds are hard to pull off, although they are decent against Miracles. We have had so little for so long, although Thought-knot seer helps the archetype, as do Spatial Contortion (teeg killer!) and Wail as board cards. But in general the deck has little love from recent sets. That does not mean the deck has gotten worse as meta changes may benefit the deck. I think the rise of Eldrazi-Shops decks makes Stax a lot better as Moat and Humility are so good against them and Wastelocks/Geddon work well if we run Taxes. I could not conceive of Armageddon being out of a current white Stax, although I also feel a BW stax could be there somewhere. I suppose it is fitting that most of my fave decks are in creation, whilst I also own a fair chunk of the Top decks in the format in Established I have less desire to play with them.
Wanted to persist with a zero Smokestack approach, trying out the Chrome Mox as mox no 5.
E tutor main x1.
R1
1-2 UR delver
Won R1 with Ghostly T1 and 2, finished the game with a reasonable life total and 3 sphere down+ Chalice.....
G2 I bought in a lot. 4 Leyline, Phyrexian Unlife, Zuran Orb, Timely Solemn Offering (its flexible life gain and Eidolon/Vortex kill- at a push I can use it on my stuff. I took an opening hand on the draw with Leyline, 1 land, E tutor and a Mox Diamond. Drew a non land and tutored for a Chrome Mox.
Hit Daze/Daze/Force on my next 3 plays after the mox. Lost with O ring two from the top
G3 I got into a strong position where I was safe if Vortex did not hit. It hit and I lost without drawing an out.
R 2 D n T
Its a bit of a bye as I used Tutor and assembled Humility/Moat game 1.
G2 I did the same and although he killed it I could spaltial contortion two flyers. Finished the game with Geddon/Tabernacle.
2-0
R3 Miracles- my miracles as it happens UWr.
G1 Force/Force on my key plays put me behind. The lock failed to materialise for him , I got some stuff down. Jace hit, he won despite me having an outpost to make soldiers.
G2 Similar to game 1. I did resolve a Geddon, and locked the board quite well with Chalice @1 and 2, 3 sphere too. His wear tear took out Leyline and Chalice, and Jace could ultimate.
Conclusion:
I keep losing periodically to UR delver or Burn despite winning G1 more than I should.
Batterskull has been doing not much, too often the Moat nonbo is problematical.
I have looked at the last 3-4 W Stax/geddon decks from big events over the past 3 years and noted a lot of 3s, and there is a lot of similarity with my current build. Ancient Den is an obvious card I should include as a Tutorable source though.
I also note they play Smokestacks, although as I have said it is often the weakest card against faster decks. I should probably put some back and just live with it against decks I am often beating already, as it is probably not going to lose me too many games and could well make positions harder to wriggle out from.
My issue have large been not against critter decks like Eldrazi, Nic-Fit and D n T- I keep beating them, and both decks in particular tend to tone down critter attack G2. Every change I make has been to reduce my anti critter stuff- 4 Ghostly to 3, for example. I am thinking just one Moat and a Tutor will be enough with 4 Humility and 3 Ghostly plus the 'geddon effects etc.
When I first met Eldrazi my Tanglewire BW build was always a bit short, but with mono-W the matches are much more favourable- it is a deck that is very vulnerable to Moat, Humility, Ghostly and especially Geddon. I think two moat was a bit of overreaction to that deck.
I have had lots of issues with my second Kjeldoran Outpost, and will have to cut it.
O ring i have gone down to two, and frankly I don't like it- 3 has served me well and I want to go back. Will post a list later....
He beat 12 post. Geddon is super good, humility makes primeval titan pathetic.
He lost to sultai delver. Couldn't resolve key spells and I believe he boarded incorrectly. took out tangle wires, left in elspeth champion and smokestack. I believe the weakest cards in the match up.
He beat eldrazi. I believe a great match up.
Not sure what else he played. I think shardless bug? I think he lost. Maelstrom pulse is so good
The more I think about it the more I think that it should not be about trying to overcome Stax's weaknesses unless they print ore cards to slip in. We should be about playing to its strengths. It will always lose to itself, it will always lose when it gets mana screwed.
Our aim needs to be "reduce them to 1/2 relevant permanents", and sadly that means Smokestacks and 'geddons.
My list is now tweaked by 3/4 cards away from critter matches, a bit less anti critter enchantments, back to 3 O ring effects. A little less likely nonbo.
4 City of Traitors
6 Plains
1 Ancient Den
4 wasteland
3 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Kjeldoran outpost (up for debate)
1 Karakas
1 Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Maze of Ith
1 Enlightened Tutor
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Trinisphere
3 Ghostly Prison
4 Humility
1 Moat
1 Blinding Light
2 Oblivion Ring
3 Crucible of Worlds
3 Armageddon
3 Elspeth, Knight Errant
board
4 Leyline of Sanctity (Burn, UR delver, most combo decks. some BUG lists)
1 Timely Reinforcements (Burn, most Midrange, Tempo)
1 Zuran Orb (midrange, burn)
1 Phyrexian Unlife (Burn, affiity, many unfair decks eg Storm)
2 solemn offering (Burn - eidolons and S vortex, maybe Miracles?)
2 Spatial contortion (D n T, Maverick some Nic Fit lists)
2 Grafdigger's Cage (reanimator, manaless dredge, mana dredge, maybe Natural Order lists)
2 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
I've been playing this list to some success in tournament practice and the occasional 2-man queue...
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Karakas
2 Mishra's Factory
6 Plains
4 Wasteland
Creatures (5)
3 Lodestone Golem
2 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Mox Diamond
4 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Crucible of Worlds
3 Trinisphere
2 Banishing Light
4 Ghostly Prison
2 Smokestack
2 Armageddon
2 Ravages of War
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Rest In Peace
3 Suppression Field
3 Council's Judgment
4 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Grafdigger's Cage
I'm certainly open to ideas and am hoping that I will have some more time to play a bit more (online, of course) over the next couple of months. In the main deck, I think Golem is one of the weakest cards. He was ideal in Vintage Stax, but he comes off as win-more in this list. If he sticks, you'll win, but if he sticks, you were probably winning anyways. I also think that Smokestack is weak, especially if Pyromancer or Mentor is generating tokens, but it's about the best available for the effect. May be worth a sweeper in the side to strengthen it similar to how Armageddon does... As far as the side goes, I've found Suppression Field to be a great general answer to the current meta and Council's Judgment to be the only answer to True-Name Nemesis, but, again, I'm open to ideas...
Smokestack and Armageddon in creature match ups are best when you can follow up with a Tabernacle type effect to wipe the board of creatures since it essentially double taxes them. Especially if you want to go with the Ghostly Prison route. That means it takes 3 mana to keep a creature and attack with it. When you run things like Magus of the Tabernacle, which could be a good replacement for Lodestone Golem, it synergizes much better with Prison and since it has the wording of Sacrifice instead of Destroy, it can hit a Marit Lage.
I also like Humility- Show and Tell is one reason, reanimator is another, and Eldrazi and D N T the last. Humility synergises with Ghostly well- 2 mana for 1 damage is a rough, rough deal. Ghostly on its own I find would be enough to keep tempo and aggro decks off your back if it lands, but is narrower than Humility that hurts all sorts of other decks.
If I was to drop humility I would go 4 TKS, he is a beast.
I think Magus is a wise call...he works in traditional lists with Geddon.
As you know I am a sceptic on Smokestack but have conceded some number is needed.
I think Runed Halo is a good catch all that deals with TNN, but is again WW. There is a -1-1 effect in white for non white critters but I would not play it. From The Dark I think.
On ww- yeah, always an issue. When you find yourself Wasting your Flagstones to get W with Crucible down you know something is up. I have tried to fix this with an E Tutor and Ancient Den, and am slighty more generous with Plains than some builds. There are super depletion lands and the Fallen Empire lands that tap for WW, the latter sac-ing for the double mana, the former maybe two uses before it goes. Both ar CIP tapped....(
On Miracles- it is a pig, you can get game one often but game two against their multitude of kill is hard. That said a potential board card is Null Broach. Stopping their lock up from happening is possible often, but stopping their Planeswalkers harder when they have so many O ring killers.
We maybe should be looking at the Sanitarium looting land in EMN.
I will likely be attempting my World Queller stax build soon. It should be interesting. Here is the list:
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Flagstones of Trokair
10 Plains
4 Wasteland
Creatures 9
2 Magus of the Tabernacle
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 World Queller
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Crucible of Worlds
4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Ghostly Prison
4 Mox Diamond
4 Smokestack
4 Trinisphere
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Rule of Law
4 Suppression Field
3 Timely Reinforcements
2) Use the right number of each card.
3) Know your probabilities.
4) Print your deck lists; make yourself and your judges happier.
Dragon stompy is a cute deck. I just love running Armageddon. Why don't we just not play magic for a few turns?